The Ramsey case in general

[Lexiintoronto]

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[proust20]

The requested denominations of cash would not amount to a bulky package. There was no need for a 'large' attache. The confusion about when exactly is tomorrow is typical of the R's approach. With either date, the author knew that the ransom call would never occur.

The RN is as fictitious as the films from which it draws. Patsy did not find it on the staircase. There is no evidence that the RN was ever on it. John read its three pages off the floor. So no fingerprints explained. How Patsy relayed the RN to her husband is one of the murkiest sections of the R's scenario. PR said that she did not read the whole note before she called 911. This provided her with an excuse why she did not follow the RN's instructions about calling LE. The 911 was necessary since the parents could not go to the airport in the morning without JB. Tellingly, JonBenet is not mentioned by name in the RN ("your daughter"), nor during the 911. ("She's blonde.")

Insisting on the Christmas DOD is macabre. Deep waters.

 

[SandyQLS]

Someone requested a link to the original autopsy report. I prefer this one because it is in the form of photos of the original rather than an unknown retyped version. This link has been provided and used at WS years ago so is hopefully still approved.

Coroner: JonBenet Ramsey Autopsy

Coroner: JonBenet Ramsey Autopsy

www.thesmokinggun.com

 

[fridaybaker]

For me, the fact that the Ramseys stalled behind lawyers for four months before talking to LE was highly suspect from the beginning. Legally, they weren’t obligated to speak to LE, but IMO they were, morally and ethically. Their child has been killed. Why wouldn’t they want to do everything in their power to help with the investigation. Unless, of course, they’re guilty. I always felt it was Patsy who killed JB accidentally in anger. And I think the ransom note reflected anger at John.

JMO

Bringing this older post forward here, as I think the last sentence is such a salient point. Aside from the handwriting, the cultural references and other things that point to Patsy, the anger at John is such a give-away. This is the kind of personal relationship of a wife to husband, not some "small foreign faction" or group or anyone else.

I believe, had this happened in any other place or time, the Ramseys would have been behind bars pronto. I just can't believe that anyone can look at that note and believe that anyone BUT PR wrote it. MOO, of course.

 

[SandyQLS]

On the RN... IMO PR was ambidextrous. It was her 4th or 5th writing sample given to LE where they requested she write with her left hand which had the highest match to the RN. LE had received a tip from PR's high school teacher about her ability. All JMO.

But I had never really looked at the issue of the John Douglas 1996 book Mindhunter. The book appears next to the parental bed in LE crime scene photos. But then it disappeared from the house likely taken by Patsy's sister. Seven phrases or points in the RN can be related back to the book's chapter on the murder of Shari Faye Smith. All JMO

 

[australianwebsleuth]

Someone requested a link to the original autopsy report. I prefer this one because it is in the form of photos of the original rather than an unknown retyped version. This link has been provided and used at WS years ago so is hopefully still approved.

Coroner: JonBenet Ramsey Autopsy

Coroner: JonBenet Ramsey Autopsy

www.thesmokinggun.com

Thanks for posting this. As you probably realise, I think the autopsy report needs re-consideration. Two issues stand out to me.

The first is that JBR had been in a prone position before being turned over onto her back (supine) many hours after her death and before she was 'discovered'. Do you know whether this has ever been discussed before? This is unlikely to be in the report but may already be known by law enforcement. Once you realise this, it explains many of the aberrant findings in the report. It also makes a stranger abduction/murder highly unlikely.

The second is that there is an alternative explanation for the Autopsy findings, based on updated scientific knowledge. There has been a lot more published research on post mortem petechial haemorrhage. This information would not of been available at the time of the original JBR Autopsy. I don't think she was garrotted to death btw. I think the 'strangulation' occurred many hours after her death based on this autopsy report.

I think the Coroner released her body too soon. The case would have benefited from a re examination and further collection of samples. JBR was moved from Colorado to Georgia for burial creating a jurisdictional impediment for further forensic examination.

I am currently writing a report/letter to the Boulder Police setting out my reasons for this belief. In the same letter/ report I will also present my credentials and expertise. Once I have confirmation the letter has been received, I will post this document on this site pending any further action by Law Enforcement in this area. If I am asked not to circulate, I will not.

 

[STANDREID]

Was Patsy's testosterone level elevated due to her ovarian cancer treatments?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Thanks for posting this. As you probably realise, I think the autopsy report needs re-consideration. Two issues stand out to me.

The first is that JBR had been in a prone position before being turned over onto her back (supine) many hours after her death and before she was 'discovered'. Do you know whether this has ever been discussed before? This is unlikely to be in the report but may already be known by law enforcement. Once you realise this, it explains many of the aberrant findings in the report. It also makes a stranger abduction/murder highly unlikely.

The second is that there is an alternative explanation for the Autopsy findings, based on updated scientific knowledge. There has been a lot more published research on post mortem petechial haemorrhage. This information would not of been available at the time of the original JBR Autopsy. I don't think she was garrotted to death btw. I think the 'strangulation' occurred many hours after her death based on this autopsy report.

I think the Coroner released her body too soon. The case would have benefited from a re examination and further collection of samples. JBR was moved from Colorado to Georgia for burial creating a jurisdictional impediment for further forensic examination.

I am currently writing a report/letter to the Boulder Police setting out my reasons for this belief. In the same letter/ report I will also present my credentials and expertise. Once I have confirmation the letter has been received, I will post this document on this site pending any further action by Law Enforcement in this area. If I am asked not to circulate, I will not.

Do you think the garotte was actually a restraining device, used to sexually violate her which caused her to scream, then came the blow to quiet her. This is how I imagine the sequence. Do you think the garotte was entirely used for staging? If it was only the blow to the head, I think it would have been sold as an accident.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

Do you think the garotte was actually a restraining device, used to sexually violate her which caused her to scream, then came the blow to quiet her. This is how I imagine the sequence. Do you think the garotte was entirely used for staging? If it was only the blow to the head, I think it would have been sold as an accident.

What I think is that JBR died after suffering a catastrophic head injury from a blunt instrument. She would have been knocked out instantly given the severity of that head injury. She was face down in a prone position. She died quite quickly.

She was then moved 3-4 hours after she died, which is when I think the garrotte and ligatures were applied. She was placed on her back at this stage.

The sexual assault theory is by no means clear cut. I am not convinced there was any sexual assault the night she died.
That's all I will say at this stage.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

What I think is that JBR died after suffering a catastrophic head injury from a blunt instrument. She would have been knocked out instantly given the severity of that head injury. She was face down in a prone position. She died quite quickly.

She was then moved 3-4 hours after she died, which is when I think the garrotte and ligatures were applied. She was placed on her back at this stage.

The sexual assault theory is by no means clear cut. I am not convinced there was any sexual assault the night she died.
That's all I will say at this stage.

What if an attempt to restrain her was made. She realizes what the perpetrators intentions are and screams. Then the blow to the head. The restraints are on but not tight. If she falls foward and is prone, would there be pooling of blood around the ligature around her neck even if it wasn't tight enough to asphyxiate her? Was there damage to the tissues of the neck or just pooling of blood?
Could the garrotte have been there prior and what we see in autopsy be misinterpreted?
It took me many years to come to accept that perhaps the reason it was covered up was because what was done to her was more heinous than where we would normally allow our minds to go. Maybe the intruder theory fit the narrative of how she was found with no staging necessary. I base my theory on what we know to be verbal history from LHP in terms of who was being inappropriate with her

 

[australianwebsleuth]

No I don't think so. The garrotte was way too deep around her neck, it would have killed her within minutes if she was alive when applied. It would have also caused other findings that are simply not present in the autopsy. The findings have been misinterpreted because it has not been recognised that she had been turned over is my best guess. I cover this in the letter I have written but I don't want to share it at this stage. The Boulder police need to reply first.

I am unsure who LHP is. As I have said , I am not convinced of any sexual assault on the night she died.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

No I don't think so. The garrotte was way too deep around her neck, it would have killed her within minutes if she was alive when applied. It would have also caused other findings that are simply not present in the autopsy. The findings have been misinterpreted because it has not been recognised that she had been turned over is my best guess. I cover this in the letter I have written but I don't want to share it at this stage. The Boulder police need to reply first.

I am unsure who LHP is. As I have said , I am not convinced of any sexual assault on the night she died.

Thank you for clarification on impact the garrotre had on the neck .
Linda Hoffman Paugh .She was the housekeepers who witnessed the children playing doctor. I believe this is not disputed.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

Thank you for clarification on impact the garrotre had on the neck .
Linda Hoffman Paugh .She was the housekeepers who witnessed the children playing doctor. I believe this is not disputed.

You are welcome, I think as you do that her parents did not murder her.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

You are welcome, I think as you do that her parents did not murder her.

I look foward to reading the rest of what you present.
If one wanted to stage sexual assault, why not just remove her clothes? In my mind the paint brush was actually part of the assault by perp or staging to distract from previous known assaults not necessarily just to sell the inruder theory. If it was discovered she had previously been assaulted 1. JR would be suspect even if innocent
2. The perpetrator would be revealed to be very sick.
I just struggle with blow to head then elaborate cover up.
It seems there were easier ways.

 

[proust20]

Whether the head blow or ligature happened first, the 40+ minute gap between each event is one of the most puzzling pieces of the R case. Both attacks are noteworthy in their savagery. Which covered for the other?

Another persistent question is if the person who struck JonBenet asphyxiated her too? Also, was the chronic abuser her killer? Any theory must answer these problems.

The biggest issue is the motivation for such brutality.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

Whether the head blow or ligature happened first, the 40+ minute gap between each event is one of the most puzzling pieces of the R case. Both attacks are noteworthy in their savagery. Which covered for the other?

Exactly. Why kill someone twice. Does not make sense unless one was accidental and the other was to protect the guilty party. We already know she was definitely alive for the head blow causing the intracranial haemorrhage. This is an extremely severe injury.

Determining whether a garrotte is applied while alive or dead can be challenging. There are scientific articles written about it. The Coroner called her alive but in reality he did not take the specimens that would have proven this beyond doubt.

The biggest issue is the motivation for such brutality.

You cannot be sure of motive unless you know who was responsible for both the killing and the staging. I suspect the motive/cause for the killing was impulsivity and emotional dysregulation. I doubt it was intentional.

 

[Clearsky]

JonBenét Ramsey's Dad Says Male DNA on Garrote Still Hasn't Been Tested: 'I Don't Know Why'

New series 'True Crime News' is heading to TV on Monday, Sept. 9, with host Ana Garcia kicking off the season with an exclusive interview with John Ramsey.

people.com

John Ramsey says he doesn't understand why police have never tested DNA from an unidentified male on the garrote used to strangle his daughter, JonBenét Ramsey, who was found murdered in the basement of their Colorado home in 1996.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

JonBenét Ramsey's Dad Says Male DNA on Garrote Still Hasn't Been Tested: 'I Don't Know Why'

New series 'True Crime News' is heading to TV on Monday, Sept. 9, with host Ana Garcia kicking off the season with an exclusive interview with John Ramsey.

people.com

John Ramsey says he doesn't understand why police have never tested DNA from an unidentified male on the garrote used to strangle his daughter, JonBenét Ramsey, who was found murdered in the basement of their Colorado home in 1996.

'DNA from an unidentified male'. That statement by its very nature is ridiculous. Knowing it is DNA from an unidentified male suggests they did test it.

 

[willy wagtail]

I was looking at the ransom note yesterday, I noticed something for the first time.

After the representative of the small foreign faction demanded the amount necessary to pay the ransom, they graciously guided the victims on proper ransom payment etiquette. The note stated that the perpetrators would call the victims between 8 and 10 am tomorrow, to instruct the victim on delivery of the ransom. First off, use of the word "tomorrow" is confusing, given that the letter was left on the stairs either very late on December 25th or early on December 26th. Was "tomorrow" meant to reference December 26th or December 27th? Based on several Ramsey behaviors and statements, I believe they considered December 26th to be the "tomorrow" referenced in the ransom note.

If you assume "tomorrow" was in reference to December 26th, were there no plans to go to the bank and withdraw the money in the specified denominations? After all, the small foreign faction representative is going to call and they are going to give you instructions on where to deliver the money; the money you haven't retrieved yet. Shouldn't you get the money ASAP?

3 Caveats
- My questions may very well have been answered previously. My knowledge of the case is far from complete.
- Maybe John already had the money, in the specific denominations, under his pillow to help him sleep better.
- Most banks don't open until 9 am.

Bonus Insight
Every once in a while, I come across an IDI response that plants a seed of doubt in my otherwise strong RDI believing mind. One of the things that leads me back into the light (RDI), is the lack of reaction from the Ramseys when the representative of the small foregin faction failed to call between the 8-10 am as stated in the ransom letter. Nobody will ever convince me that parents of a missing child wouldn't be hyper-aware of the clock when your child's kidnapper stated they would call between 8 am - 10 am.

Is December 26th a public holiday in USA? If so no way could you get that money from a bank

 

[CloudedTruth]

Is December 26th a public holiday in USA? If so no way could you get that money from a bank

No, typically not. If a Federal holiday occurs on a Saturday, then Friday would be considered a holiday, or if the Federal holiday occurs on Sunday, then Monday is the holiday. In 1996, the 25th was on a Wednesday, so the 26th (Thursday) was not a holiday.