The Rumor Mill -- unsubstantiated, yet possible relevant information

[Mountain_Kat]

Thank you for the welcome.
No I didn't know any of the girls, but it doesn't make it any less heart breaking, being in the business.

It wasn't a thread geared specifically towards asking questions for a provider, but a few people had mentioned it in one of these threads as of recently, and I decided to step in and give whatever help I possibly can. :twocents:

Someone can start a question thread for you if you like, Moon. Just let us know.

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

Someone can start a question thread for you if you like, Moon. Just let us know.

I will leave that up to the community to decide.

:genie:

 

[Theforeigner]

Someone can start a question thread for you if you like, Moon. Just let us know.

Great idea MK, do start such a thread

 

[Just K]

Thank you for the welcome.
No I didn't know any of the girls, but it doesn't make it any less heart breaking, being in the business.

It wasn't a thread geared specifically towards asking questions for a provider, but a few people had mentioned it in one of these threads as of recently, and I decided to step in and give whatever help I possibly can. :twocents:

It was the "Amber Lynn Costello" thread and PS149 and a few of us were discussing whether the "Hobbyists" on LIE and UG are just decent guys out to give and receive. Some of us think they are not. Then someone suggested perhaps we get an escort to tell how gentle, giving and kind their "regulars" are...

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

IIRC, it was the "Breaking News for Real..." thread and PS149 and a few of us were discussing whether the "Hobbyists" on LIE and UG are just decent guys out to give and receive. Some of us think they are not. Then someone suggested perhaps we get an escort to tell how gentle, giving and kind their "regulars" are...

You are correct. And I have a lot to weigh in on this topic.
Let me start by saying that their is no set 'criteria' for one of these 'johns'. What I mean is, you can't say that their is a typical kind of john. There isn't. They come from every walk of life. Happy, successful, and married with kids, just looking for a fling, right down to people who are so depressing, you sometimes want to cut your own wrist just so you can stop hearing them complain. Having said that, I tend to find that a lot of these johns talk a lot about how 'macho' and what not they are on the boards, are usually the low life losers who sit at the end of the bar alone unless they have a few hundred in their pocket...which will, if lucky, find it's way to a 'providers' pocket. I have had customers come to me, who act like they are tough guys, but being able to read past their character, I know they would never act that way towards a man their own age and size.

On the very different other hand... Some of these guys really aren't looking for sex. Some of them just need that little part of them fulfilled.... The wife's to busy to cuddle. (Seriously I had a 6 foot 7 man who weighed damn near 350+ pounds cry to me, that all he wanted was for someone to hold him.) Sex wasn't needed, nor wanted. It was the simple desire to be desired. For someone to want your affection, and to give it back. Other men aren't getting it at home, or their getting it but are bored with it. Some guys couldn't get a piece of *meow meow* if their life depended on it, so they turn to their wallets... time to buy a woman.

As an experienced provider I can surely say that I have seen it all. For the good and the bad. More the good thankfully, and no I do not glamour-ize the life to anyone and would never bringanyone into it with me. Johns come in all shapes, sizes, attitudes, walks of life, ideas of woman and how to treat them. I have had johns that I could go to their house, when they weren't home, have a shower, some food, a nap, watch some TV... turn the lock and leave, all while he's at work. I have also had johns that wouldn't allow me to ever see so much as their vehicle for fear of wives/gfs finding out, etc. My point being is, it all depends on the guy what he's looking for, and his moral standings. Not everyone is up to par with doing good by others these days, and that is sad; especially in the case of a SK running around axing providers because they are merely an ''easy target.''

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Great idea MK, do start such a thread

Working on it.

 

[deedee21]

Note: tattoo is on opposite side in the pix with the headphones.

About 6 weeks ago a poster put up a picture and asked if it looked like Meagan. Does anyone know what thread that pic is on? Mesgan has two tattoos on her arm. One is an Aquarius sign. The girl in the pic has bare arms.I wanted to see if she had that tattoo.

 

[ps149]

You are correct. And I have a lot to weigh in on this topic.
Let me start by saying that their is no set 'criteria' for one of these 'johns'. What I mean is, you can't say that their is a typical kind of john. There isn't. They come from every walk of life. Happy, successful, and married with kids, just looking for a fling, right down to people who are so depressing, you sometimes want to cut your own wrist just so you can stop hearing them complain. Having said that, I tend to find that a lot of these johns talk a lot about how 'macho' and what not they are on the boards, are usually the low life losers who sit at the end of the bar alone unless they have a few hundred in their pocket...which will, if lucky, find it's way to a 'providers' pocket. I have had customers come to me, who act like they are tough guys, but being able to read past their character, I know they would never act that way towards a man their own age and size.

On the very different other hand... Some of these guys really aren't looking for sex. Some of them just need that little part of them fulfilled.... The wife's to busy to cuddle. (Seriously I had a 6 foot 7 man who weighed damn near 350+ pounds cry to me, that all he wanted was for someone to hold him.) Sex wasn't needed, nor wanted. It was the simple desire to be desired. For someone to want your affection, and to give it back. Other men aren't getting it at home, or their getting it but are bored with it. Some guys couldn't get a piece of *meow meow* if their life depended on it, so they turn to their wallets... time to buy a woman.

As an experienced provider I can surely say that I have seen it all. For the good and the bad. More the good thankfully, and no I do not glamour-ize the life to anyone and would never bringanyone into it with me. Johns come in all shapes, sizes, attitudes, walks of life, ideas of woman and how to treat them. I have had johns that I could go to their house, when they weren't home, have a shower, some food, a nap, watch some TV... turn the lock and leave, all while he's at work. I have also had johns that wouldn't allow me to ever see so much as their vehicle for fear of wives/gfs finding out, etc. My point being is, it all depends on the guy what he's looking for, and his moral standings. Not everyone is up to par with doing good by others these days, and that is sad; especially in the case of a SK running around axing providers because they are merely an ''easy target.''

Welcome and thank you so much for joining!

I was the one who 'wished' for someone like you to be here to answer questions. I was hoping you would be able to confirm that the ultimate goal of most 'regulars' (those who are so much a regular that they join the online forums like UG) is to make love, not waR.

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

Sure, you can call it that. More times than not, the repeat customer is usually someone who is looking for no problems. Generally speaking, they are looking for either companionship, or just a quick fix that they know won't get them in trouble with the law; things like that. A lot of guys take solace in knowing that the girl they are going to see if definitely not tied to LE and also is not tied to drama, pimps, drugs, you name it.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Sure, you can call it that. More times than not, the repeat customer is usually someone who is looking for no problems. Generally speaking, they are looking for either companionship, or just a quick fix that they know won't get them in trouble with the law; things like that. A lot of guys take solace in knowing that the girl they are going to see if definitely not tied to LE and also is not tied to drama, pimps, drugs, you name it.

How uncommon is it for regulars to start to feel that there's something more between you than just business?

 

[Peter Brendt]

@MoonUnderfoot:

Hi,

how common is it, that girls working as Craigslist (or other websites) escorts and also have some club business. Or, in other words, is there a lot of overlap?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

About 6 weeks ago a poster put up a picture and asked if it looked like Meagan. Does anyone know what thread that pic is on? Mesgan has two tattoos on her arm. One is an Aquarius sign. The girl in the pic has bare arms.I wanted to see if she had that tattoo.

Capricorn.

 

[PreciousDust]

... the low life losers who sit at the end of the bar alone unless they have a few hundred in their pocket...which will, if lucky, find it's way to a 'providers' pocket.

Which works out for the provider, who has no interest in the low life loser unless he has a few hundred in his pocket. So it's honest all around - the loser doesn't have any social skills, and that's fine with the provider (whose interest lies solely in the loser's bankroll).

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

How uncommon is it for regulars to start to feel that there's something more between you than just business?

Some regulars know where the line is drawn, but then you get the needy ones, who want to be your friend, want to go to the movies, dinner, etc. I would say that roughly half the regulars try to turn it into more of a friends with benefits than just a booty call per se.

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

@MoonUnderfoot:

Hi,

how common is it, that girls working as Craigslist (or other websites) escorts and also have some club business. Or, in other words, is there a lot of overlap?

I know that from MY OWN experience (that means don't base your ideas soley off what I'm about to say) any girl that I had met, was working in a club. And yes, it's usually the clubs with the 'backrooms'. There has been perhaps 2 or 3 that I met that had no ties whatsoever.

 

[Justiceforever]

Some regulars know where the line is drawn, but then you get the needy ones, who want to be your friend, want to go to the movies, dinner, etc. I would say that roughly half the regulars try to turn it into more of a friends with benefits than just a booty call per se.

Regulars were too much a pain in the butt for me. That's why I didn't care if I ever got repeat business! I "tricked" them out of as much money as possible and moved on to the next.

See ya! Wouldn't wanna be ya!

I felt like I was turning the tables on these men who wanted to use me. I used them first.

I know it sounds cold, but there is no love in the game. It is what it is. I am not proud of this, I even feel a little bad for some of the guys I left hanging, but that's the nature of the game. It's really by the grace of God I am alive! God knows I had a few close calls!

Maybe God brought me through it all safely for a reason. I look back and can't even believe that I was that person.

 

[Justiceforever]

Welcome and thank you so much for joining!

I was the one who 'wished' for someone like you to be here to answer questions. I was hoping you would be able to confirm that the ultimate goal of most 'regulars' (those who are so much a regular that they join the online forums like UG) is to make love, not waR.

I think you have been drinking too much hippie cool aid with that way of thinking. These men have no love for these women and vice versa!

 

[ps149]

I think you have been drinking too much hippie cool aid with that way of thinking. These men have no love for these women and vice versa!

What I meant was them wanting to make love (as in having sex) with providers versus wanting to chop them into little pieces and scatter their body parts along a beach somewhere. Almost 100% of the time the repeat customers are not physically abusing the girls who invite them back for repeat visits. It's the ones who are abusive who quickly make The National Black List. When that happens then a poster has to immediately change their screen name to hide their identity. The posters at UG are mostly regular posters with the same screen names for many years. Not likely any of those members ever made it to the black list.

Instead of trolling the sex forums like UG searching among hundreds of horny men with no social skills who are just looking for partners to pay for sex, wouldn't you agree that trolling the The National Black List would be the more appropriate place to find the violent men who have violence on their minds more than they have sex?

 

[Peter Brendt]

I know that from MY OWN experience (that means don't base your ideas soley off what I'm about to say) any girl that I had met, was working in a club. And yes, it's usually the clubs with the 'backrooms'. There has been perhaps 2 or 3 that I met that had no ties whatsoever.

Thanks! Another question. I have heard (and I'm not from the East Coast), there is some "private" club scene in Manhattan up till almost the Port Authority (thus spanning also the area 46th Street, where the first victim used a hotel room to meet with clients). Can you confirm that?

 

[LR1]

Does anyone have a premium account over at r@dioreference by chance?