The "set up' questions

[Tawny]

That is a logic fallacy, assuming a lie and then drawing aconclusion from the assumption.

Another logical fallacy is assuming an individual committed the main crime and then drawing a conclusion of mental psychosis.

Or vice versa. Assuming a psychosis and then drawing a conclusion that the person committed the crime.

Take your pick.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

So the "set up" as found was most likely the source of the pineapple JonBenet ate and most likely was put together before she died.

The investigators speculated that both parents used books and movies as source material to stage a crime after and accident not being criminals themselves.

The question is: Why was the "set up", which matches a scene from a book, put together BEFORE JonBenet died?

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

From The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie:

"Sandy Stranger had a feeling at the time that they were supposed to be the happiest days of her life, and on her tenth birthday she said so to her best friend Jenny Gray who had been asked to TEA at Sandy's house. The speciality of the feast was PINEAPPLE CUBES WITH CREAM, and the speciality of the day was that they were left to themselves. To Sandy the unfamiliar PINEAPPLE had the authentic taste and appearance of happiness and she focussed her small eyes closely on the pale gold cubes before she scooped them up in her SPOON, and she ... Both girls saved the CREAM to the last, then ate it in SPOONFULS."

 

[Tawny]

I don't think it was a set up. I think she had a snack and then someone murdered her.

What book does the scene match? (not doubting you, I just don't know) ETA: LOL You answered my question as I was typing

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

It was Patsy that called the bowl of pineapple with cream or milk, the spoon and the glass with a tea bag the "set up", meaning the grouping as a noun not a verb as in frame up.

 

[Tawny]

It was Patsy that called the bowl of pineapple with cream or milk, the spoon and the glass with a tea bag the "set up", meaning the grouping as a noun not a verb as in frame up.

I have no idea what you mean.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

I have no idea what you mean.

Yes I know.

 

[Tawny]

Yes I know.

Well, do you care to explain it a little more clearly? I know the English language and grammar very well but your statement didn't make any sense. I didn't see anyone say she used the words "set up" as a verb.

 

[prima.facie]

It was Patsy that called the bowl of pineapple with cream or milk, the spoon and the glass with a tea bag the "set up", meaning the grouping as a noun not a verb as in frame up.

I too don't understand what you mean.

Can you post a link to where Patsy said this. Thanks.

 

[CircuitGuy]

For PR to immediately pick up the phone and insist police come immediately indicates she knew Jonbenet was already dead and there were no kidnappers to worry about.

I agree. Also, as dodie20 pointed out in the 911 thread, there's no hint of doubt in her mind. PR never even suggests that this is some sick joke or some kind of confusion. She immediately accepts the RN at face value. Even when people witness a crime in progress, they often assume it must be a drama act or misunderstanding.

Also, I have heard no suggestions that they were afraid the kidnapper might still be in the house and be a threat to them or BR.

I'm off topic for this thread. I'm just saying I agree with Arnie that the JR and PR knew JBR was dead and they knew who did it.

 

[CircuitGuy]

How could they admit to feeding JB, but then have an investigator turn around with, 'and she was bashed within minutes of eating and we can prove it through digestion'. How could the Rs even pretend to not hear anything, if this so called intruder attacked their daughter within minutes of swallowing what they, the Rs fed her?

I agree with you, but I am amazed they argued she was killed and taken to the basement with no one even pretending to hear anything.

You would think they would sleep with a weapon and jump every time the furnace kicked in if they really believed someone sneaked in and committed a murder without anyone hearing.

Actually, I'm surprised they would worry about the pineapple considering the outrageousness of the main narrative.

 

[CircuitGuy]

Well, do you care to explain it a little more clearly? I know the English language and grammar very well but your statement didn't make any sense. I didn't see anyone say she used the words "set up" as a verb.

I don't know what BlueBottle01 is talking about either.

I use setup (one word) to mean equipment located in a place for a purpose. "There was a setup where the receiving inspector could examine the parts under a microscope and test them electrically before accepting them." I frequently hear people say they want to get a better ham radio setup.

It can also mean some one framing someone for a crime.

I think it this context PR meant "place setting", which to me means a dish, glass, and utensil. I have never heard this called a setup before.

Do most people think this was just an odd choice of words or some kind of parapraxis?

 

[dodie20]

I don't know what BlueBottle01 is talking about either.

I use setup (one word) to mean equipment located in a place for a purpose. "There was a setup where the receiving inspector could examine the parts under a microscope and test them electrically before accepting them." I frequently hear people say they want to get a better ham radio setup.

It can also mean some one framing someone for a crime.

I think it this context PR meant "place setting", which to me means a dish, glass, and utensil. I have never heard this called a setup before.

Do most people think this was just an odd choice of words or some kind of parapraxis?

I think it was an odd choice of words, I think she was referring to the table 'setting', but also think the choice of words was a slipup. She could have used a different phrase to describe the 'setup', but she chose those words. I'm from Arkansas/Texas, and we talk about setting the table and say it has been 'set', but I don't think I've ever heard 'setup' used, except in describing a banquet or something. In a situation like this, I don't think I would have used the word set at all...just described in more words how I thought it looked odd. moo

 

[Chelly]

BlueBottle, IIRC, your theory is that PR considered JB angelic and wanted JB waiting in heaven for PR's arrival there. So PR strung up JB by her neck and arms in an angelic position and hung her from a ceiling pipe or something in the basement. Then PR spent some time studying JB's hanging corpse and admiring her work. Then PR released JB's body from her hanging position (which explains the position of JB's arms), wrapped her in a blanket and placed her in the WC. And, all that was done for PR's satisfaction, right?

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

BlueBottle, IIRC, your theory is that PR considered JB angelic and wanted JB waiting in heaven for PR's arrival there. So PR strung up JB by her neck and arms in an angelic position and hung her from a ceiling pipe or something in the basement. Then PR spent some time studying JB's hanging corpse and admiring her work. Then PR released JB's body from her hanging position (which explains the position of JB's arms), wrapped her in a blanket and placed her in the WC. And, all that was done for PR's satisfaction, right?

Not exactly. Patsy had already attached the angel theme to JonBenet decorating her room in the angel theme and later suggesting people hang an angel (her words!) in the tree next to her grave.

I don't think the arms raised pose was angelic.

I don't think the corpse hung.

I don't think she spent any time studying or admiring what she did.

The wrapping of the body, duct tape and placement in the small room was a second "posing" as it set the kidnapping scenario up in Patsy's mind.

And no it wasn't done for her "satisfaction".

I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

 

[Tawny]

Plenty of parents consider their children angels and plenty of people feel angels represent a lost loved one.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

Plenty of parents consider their children angels and plenty of people feel angels represent a lost loved one.

That's right nothing inherently toxic about it. But I'm not talking about plenty of parents, just the mother of a murdered girl with literature and mythic imagery plastered all over the crime. That kind narrows it down a bit.

 

[Tawny]

What mythic imagery was plastered all over the crime? Angels? They were a Christian family IIRC, that's not abnormal.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

What mythic imagery was plastered all over the crime? Angels? They were a Christian family IIRC, that's not abnormal.

That's right it isn't abnormal. It also wasn't abnormal for the Zodiac killer to use a mandala to sign off his letters.

Absorption in mythic imagery is not pathological unless it is used as replacement for reality.

 

[Tawny]

That's right it isn't abnormal. It also wasn't abnormal for the Zodiac killer to use a mandala to sign off his letters.

Absorption in mythic imagery is not pathological unless it is used as replacement for reality.

There is no proof that PR did that. Decorating for Christmas and believing in angels is not sinister or indicative of psychosis.