The "set up' questions

[Blue Bottle 01]

There is no proof that PR did that. Decorating for Christmas and believing in angels is not sinister or indicative of psychosis.

The thing in the basement is the proof. The other things are indications recognized in hindsight as so often happens.

Psychotics are often passed off as merey problematic until they express with a destructive act that does not fit into any kind of anticipated progression.

 

[Tadpole12]

I don't think the arms raised pose was angelic.

hmmm, I was considering cherubic.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

While this is a complicated case, I just don't think it's as "deep" or complicated as some people are making it.

 

[Anyhoo]

While this is a complicated case, I just don't think it's as "deep" or complicated as some people are making it.

I guess that's why we are all going around in circles ten years later trying to figure it out. I disagree with your assertion. If it were as uncomplicated as you suggest it would have been solved by now. To this day I don't have a *advertiser censored**ing clue who killed JB. Looks like someone did a pretty good job of hiding the truth.

 

[Tawny]

I guess that's why we are all going around in circles ten years later trying to figure it out. I disagree with your assertion. If it were as uncomplicated as you suggest it would have been solved by now. To this day I don't have a *advertiser censored**ing clue who killed JB. Looks like someone did a pretty good job of hiding the truth.

I think if the investigation hadn't been so convoluted and the R's hadn't interfered as much as they did, it would have been very clear. Even with the cover up by the R's, the crime would have been crystal clear (uncomplicated) if people had cooperated. But they didn't cooperate because they didn't want it to be clear.

 

[txsvicki]

To me, the "set up" indicates that the kids were up and on their own to get into bed with the parents up on the third floor. There is so much to indicate that they were ignored until time to perform or party time. Whoever took over the crime scene went straight to drama with the note and didn't give a thought to what the kids were doing downstairs, snacks, dirty dishes, or dirty feet.

 

[DeeDee249]

I do know what BlueBottle is talking about with the "set up" so I will try to explain. When Patsy was shown a photo of her table by LE, she pointed to the bowl with pineapple and serving spoon and the empty glass with the tea bag. She referred to the bowl of pineapple with it's large serving spoon as a "set up" as in a NOUN. She did not mean "set up" as in the verb "set up" something.
At this point, Patsy knew that pineapple had been found in JB at the autopsy and was trying to distance herself from the bowl, spoon and pineapple. When Patsy said she wouldn't do this "set up" she meant she would not use a large serving spoon in a bowl like that. She was trying to hint that placing that spoon in that bowl wasn't something she would do. In that photo also was a box of tissues, the standard flat box. She tried to day they weren't her tissues, either, by saying she only bought the small square boxes (known as boutique tissues). To suggest that an intruder would carry in their own box of tissues is so ridiculous that if it wasn't about a murdered child, LE might have laughed in her face. It was just more of Patsy's pathetic attempt to pretend she had nothing to do with and no knowledge of the items on her own table.

So, BlueBottle- does this explain what you meant or not?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I guess that's why we are all going around in circles ten years later trying to figure it out. I disagree with your assertion. If it were as uncomplicated as you suggest it would have been solved by now. To this day I don't have a *advertiser censored**ing clue who killed JB. Looks like someone did a pretty good job of hiding the truth.

I agree with you. When I said complicated, I was more or less talking about religious rituals, erotic asphyxiation, Patsy copying scenes from a book, etc. I don't agree with any of those theories. That's JMO. I just don't think Patsy posed JB like an angel when she killed her or set up a bowl of pineapple and cream because she read that in a book years ago. I definitely am RDI, but as of now I don't think it was premeditated.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

It was.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

I agree with you. When I said complicated, I was more or less talking about religious rituals, erotic asphyxiation, Patsy copying scenes from a book, etc. I don't agree with any of those theories. That's JMO. I just don't think Patsy posed JB like an angel when she killed her or set up a bowl of pineapple and cream because she read that in a book years ago. I definitely am RDI, but as of now I don't think it was premeditated.

Patsy fed JonBenet happiness (pineapple) before she killed her. IMO.

Nobody said she was posed like an angel.

 

[Tawny]

During a psychotic episode?

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

I do know what BlueBottle is talking about with the "set up" so I will try to explain. When Patsy was shown a photo of her table by LE, she pointed to the bowl with pineapple and serving spoon and the empty glass with the tea bag. She referred to the bowl of pineapple with it's large serving spoon as a "set up" as in a NOUN. She did not mean "set up" as in the verb "set up" something.


So, BlueBottle- does this explain what you meant or not?

Yes. But in the interview she did not remember doing the set up herself as she was dissociated when she did it. IMO.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

During a psychotic episode?

No. The psychosis was extended. The episode was one of dissociation.

 

[Tawny]

As in Dissociative (sp?) Identity Disorder?

 

[Anyhoo]

I agree with you. When I said complicated, I was more or less talking about religious rituals, erotic asphyxiation, Patsy copying scenes from a book, etc. I don't agree with any of those theories. That's JMO. I just don't think Patsy posed JB like an angel when she killed her or set up a bowl of pineapple and cream because she read that in a book years ago. I definitely am RDI, but as of now I don't think it was premeditated.

Sorry if I came off as cynical but I've read too many posts here from people who think they have it all figured out. You obviously are not one of those. Something that has come to my mind recently, and someone else here pointed it out very well, is that most people trying to figure out this crime frame events surrounding this case based upon what the parents told LE. But there is evidence that the parents lied, repeatedly, even about the most basic things. Nothing the parents told LE should be accepted as fact unless it can be verified by independent collaborating evidence. I'll go further than that. Whatever the parents said about any detail, the truth is probably the exact opposite. That is how much I disbelieve and distrust the parents. My point is, if we forget all of the disinformation they fed LE and the public, and just focus on the evidence at hand, we might have a clearer picture of what happened. It is that disinformation, purposeful disinformation, that clouds and hides the truth. The parents are not and were not what they seemed to be. I cannot put my finger on it but I have always felt that there is a big piece of this puzzle that has never been seen, never came to public light. It is that piece that would make all the other pieces fall into place and make sense. It is because that piece is missing that everyone is jumping through convoluted unbelievable hoops to make the rest of the pieces somehow make sense without it. That will never work. Fifteen years should tell us that by now. Something is missing and I want to find it.

 

[Tawny]

Sorry if I came off as cynical but I've read too many posts here from people who think they have it all figured out. You obviously are not one of those. Something that has come to my mind recently, and someone else here pointed it out very well, is that most people trying to figure out this crime frame events surrounding this case based upon what the parents told LE. But there is evidence that the parents lied, repeatedly, even about the most basic things. Nothing the parents told LE should be accepted as fact unless it can be verified by independent collaborating evidence. I'll go further than that. Whatever the parents said about any detail, the truth is probably the exact opposite. That is how much I disbelieve and distrust the parents. My point is, if we forget all of the disinformation they fed LE and the public, and just focus on the evidence at hand, we might have a clearer picture of what happened. It is that disinformation, purposeful disinformation, that clouds and hides the truth. The parents are not and were not what they seemed to be. I cannot put my finger on it but I have always felt that there is a big piece of this puzzle that has never been seen, never came to public light. It is that piece that would make all the other pieces fall into place and make sense. It is because that piece is missing that everyone is jumping through convoluted unbelievable hoops to make the rest of the pieces somehow make sense without it. That will never work. Fifteen years should tell us that by now. Something is missing and I want to find it.

This is exactly how I feel and what I mean when I question some of the things posted about, like the pineapple situation. And then to see things like "there's no proof they lied" makes me want to just quit the internet forever :floorlaugh:

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Patsy fed JonBenet happiness (pineapple) before she killed her. IMO.

Nobody said she was posed like an angel.

I will try to find it but I know I read a post where someone thought Patsy killed her and posed her like an angel before putting her in the WC. I am RDI but I have a hard time believing PR killed JB in order to see her again in Heaven. I do enjoy reading all of the theories though and I've learned a lot and changed my mind on some things.

 

[Anyhoo]

This is exactly how I feel and what I mean when I question some of the things posted about, like the pineapple situation. And then to see things like "there's no proof they lied" makes me want to just quit the internet forever :floorlaugh:

Some pet theories die hard, but they eventually die. Even Blue Bottle will come around, sooner or later.

 

[dodie20]

Sorry if I came off as cynical but I've read too many posts here from people who think they have it all figured out. You obviously are not one of those. Something that has come to my mind recently, and someone else here pointed it out very well, is that most people trying to figure out this crime frame events surrounding this case based upon what the parents told LE. But there is evidence that the parents lied, repeatedly, even about the most basic things. Nothing the parents told LE should be accepted as fact unless it can be verified by independent collaborating evidence. I'll go further than that. Whatever the parents said about any detail, the truth is probably the exact opposite. That is how much I disbelieve and distrust the parents. My point is, if we forget all of the disinformation they fed LE and the public, and just focus on the evidence at hand, we might have a clearer picture of what happened. It is that disinformation, purposeful disinformation, that clouds and hides the truth. The parents are not and were not what they seemed to be. I cannot put my finger on it but I have always felt that there is a big piece of this puzzle that has never been seen, never came to public light. It is that piece that would make all the other pieces fall into place and make sense. It is because that piece is missing that everyone is jumping through convoluted unbelievable hoops to make the rest of the pieces somehow make sense without it. That will never work. Fifteen years should tell us that by now. Something is missing and I want to find it.

Not too long ago, I did just what you suggested and concentrated on real evidence and the big picture I got was, PR's fibers in the garrote, JR's fibers in JB's underwear. IMO, this evidence tells a pretty good story of what happened in that house. all moo.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

Sorry if I came off as cynical but I've read too many posts here from people who think they have it all figured out. You obviously are not one of those. Something that has come to my mind recently, and someone else here pointed it out very well, is that most people trying to figure out this crime frame events surrounding this case based upon what the parents told LE. But there is evidence that the parents lied, repeatedly, even about the most basic things. Nothing the parents told LE should be accepted as fact unless it can be verified by independent collaborating evidence. I'll go further than that. Whatever the parents said about any detail, the truth is probably the exact opposite. That is how much I disbelieve and distrust the parents. My point is, if we forget all of the disinformation they fed LE and the public, and just focus on the evidence at hand, we might have a clearer picture of what happened. It is that disinformation, purposeful disinformation, that clouds and hides the truth. The parents are not and were not what they seemed to be. I cannot put my finger on it but I have always felt that there is a big piece of this puzzle that has never been seen, never came to public light. It is that piece that would make all the other pieces fall into place and make sense. It is because that piece is missing that everyone is jumping through convoluted unbelievable hoops to make the rest of the pieces somehow make sense without it. That will never work. Fifteen years should tell us that by now. Something is missing and I want to find it.

That is very childish, iow, very underdeveloped. IMO