I agree with your thinking that you wouldn't assume people wouldn't be supportive but in fact the initial public outcry was total sympathy resulting in $22,000ish in a go fund me and almost 12,000 signatures on an online petition.
Ok suppose he wanted to kill his kid so he could be "child free" or get divorced or pursue a carefree life of sexting or pursue the hand of Ms Meadows or avoid paying for orthodontics in 10 years ....or whatever other crazy motive you might buy into - why would he do it in a way that will almost certainly get him arrested and likely convicted of a felony?
This would be a really stupid way to plan and carry out a murder if you were actually trying to get away with it.
For the hes guilty of malice (majority) crowd here
One of the main reasons folks seem to believe malice is based on the belief that there is NO WAY Ross could have forgotten Cooper in the short time between strapping him in and reaching the UTurn, right?
Question for you. RH didnt tell Leanna (during the day) that hed taken Cooper to CFA, but he freely told LE that he had. A more basic point. He not only took Cooper to CFA, he went inside, knowing he was being videotaped, and then for good measure introduced Cooper to a manager who knew Ross well enough to most certainly remember Ross, even without reviewing the videotape.
If Ross was knowledgable about hot car deaths and wanted to stage a FBS scenario, he couldnt possibly have chosen a less believable scenario, precisely given that exceedingly short window for forgetting.
As Ive said before, the easiest possible thing for him to have done that morning if he wanted to kill Cooper and claim FBS was simply to drive straight to work. He didnt. Puzzle me that.![]()
I go back to RH being asked by one of the people he was texting with if he had a conscience & his reply was "nope".
Ok suppose he wanted to kill his kid so he could be "child free" or get divorced or pursue a carefree life of sexting or pursue the hand of Ms Meadows or avoid paying for orthodontics in 10 years ....or whatever other crazy motive you might buy into - why would he do it in a way that will almost certainly get him arrested and likely convicted of a felony?
This would be a really stupid way to plan and carry out a murder if you were actually trying to get away with it.
Here is my theory. I think that he wanted his friends to drop him off at the car so he could find his son, with an 'audience' of his friends and a video to support his shock and surprise.
But the car backing out forced his friends to speed off. OH OH, now what?
He knew he was on camera and he could not be seen looking into the car. So he quickly tossed the bulbs in while visibly keeping his head above the car. JMO
Fwiw, the video doesn't talk about shade or trees at all. Also, the good vet is sitting in the car for 30 minutes. He talks about how dogs would experience the heat, but his narration is just as much about how HE is experiencing the heat.
Not sure where you're going with this or what your point is about how he's narrating. Dogs can't narrate, neither can babies. My guess is that he made the leap between a small dog and his son, evidenced by the comment. What he saw in the video, IMO, is how quickly a small creature would pass away. I think it made him feel better that it would be relatively quick.
Yes he does talk about how the trees are swaying from wind but even with the door cracked, there is no relief inside the car. Did you watch the entirety of it?
That would be a delusional belief. Parents who leave their kids in the car to die are usually pretty despised.
And I don't think the sympathy would be worth losing everything and going to prison in any event. Do you?
Fwiw, the video doesn't talk about shade or trees at all. Also, the good vet is sitting in the car for 30 minutes. He talks about how dogs would experience the heat, but his narration is just as much about how HE is experiencing the heat.
Not sure where you're going with this or what your point is about how he's narrating. Dogs can't narrate, neither can babies. My guess is that he made the leap between a small dog and his son, evidenced by the comment. What he saw in the video, IMO, is how quickly a small creature would pass away. I think it made him feel better that it would be relatively quick.
Yes he does talk about how the trees are swaying from wind but even with the door cracked, there is no relief inside the car. Did you watch the entirety of it?
Yes. And yes, palm trees swaying in the breeze in the near distance, not trees providing shade or that are relevant to temps in the car.
For the “he’s guilty of malice” (majority) crowd here—
One of the main reasons folks seem to believe malice is based on the belief that there is NO WAY Ross could have forgotten Cooper in the short time between strapping him in and reaching the UTurn, right?
Question for you. RH didn’t tell Leanna (during the day) that he’d taken Cooper to CFA, but he freely told LE that he had. A more basic point. He not only took Cooper to CFA, he went inside, knowing he was being videotaped, and then for good measure introduced Cooper to a manager who “knew” Ross well enough to most certainly remember Ross, even without reviewing the videotape.
If Ross was knowledgable about hot car deaths and wanted to stage a FBS scenario, he couldn’t possibly have chosen a less believable scenario, precisely given that exceedingly short window for forgetting.
As I’ve said before, the easiest possible thing for him to have done that morning if he wanted to kill Cooper and claim FBS was simply to drive straight to work. He didn’t. Puzzle me that.![]()
What makes you think that no one ever really gets into trouble for it? IIRC more than half of the people who leave their kids in hot cars like this are charged with a crime.
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Exactly. So why didn't he do anything to prevent it from happening to his son? He knew about putting his satchel in the back seat, or taking the second look, as a precaution. Sounds like criminal neglect, to me.
I have always thought along those lines as well. If I were going to commit a murder I would plan to have no witnesses or evidence. I wouldn't have stopped by CFA. I wouldn't have visited my car at lunch. I definitely wouldn't have introduced movie plans. I wouldn't have been texting 6 women seeking a hook up and left evidence on phone knowing those sext offered jail time all by themselves. But, if I were going to try pull off a murder like this, I would plan on allowing the son to bake until the end of my work day then throw the surprise. Why incorporate more potential witnesses when they couldn't offer RH a morning alibi or excuse?Also, Arias had plenty of people come forward saying she was a crazy stalking weirdo. Not one person said anything like that about RH.
I can see someone horrible trying hot car death as a way kill a child and possibly get off, or face less of a sentence than other methods. I just do not understand why
he didn't just drive straight to work, and just go out to the car after work like normal. I also do not understand why he would not clear his phone history, even if he thought
he could get off, he had to know it wasn't just going to happen automatically and that his phone would be looked at.
The empathetic, caring, thoroughly decent, much loved , innocent victim of an actual sociopath, Travis Alexander, in an email to friends: "I'm a sociopath" (referring to how he had treated some GF's).
Travis was not a sociopath.
RH, cheating on his wife , sexting with a willing partner who knows he's sexting with his wife nearby because RH told her he was, who, knowing that , asks HIM if he has no conscience?
As if SHE did? Ross says no, he doesn't. Maybe because he's accurately assessed who he's sexting with, and they're both just saying - yeah. Cheating doesn't make me feel bad.
Disgusting as a moral measure, but no measure of his ability to kill his son.
I like it when I learn regional words not heard in other areas. I've heard it called many,many things from many, many regions, but never shtupping. I like that one and will use it if you don't have the word trademarked.I know you know this...whatever motivates a person to kill someone doesn't have to 'make sense' to the juror, for we are not murderers, murder does not 'make sense' to us. It is helpful to be shown by the State that the logic appeared to make sense to the person who committed the murder.
You totally ignored the Ganesh Ramsaran case I sited. He killed his wife and the mother of his children instead of just divorcing her. He was shtupping her 'best friend'. In their house sometimes. Does it 'make sense' to kill your faithful and innocent wife and mother of your children instead of divorcing her? No. Nevertheless, the jurors had no problem seeing that in Ganesh's head, this was a viable solution for not having to deal with the old ball-and-chain anymore.
It doesn't have to be logical to us, or the jurors (for in what world do we all see murder as logical?) to find the defendant guilty. It's helpful to see what the murderer's logic was, however.
I have always thought along those lines as well. If I were going to commit a murder I would plan to have no witnesses or evidence. I wouldn't have stopped by CFA. I wouldn't have visited my car at lunch. I definitely wouldn't have introduced movie plans. I wouldn't have been texting 6 women seeking a hook up and left evidence on phone knowing those sext offered jail time all by themselves. But, if I were going to try pull off a murder like this, I would plan on allowing the son to bake until the end of my work day then throw the surprise. Why incorporate more potential witnesses when they couldn't offer RH a morning alibi or excuse?