The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

[Laceybug]

One of coworkers used to be her case manager when she lived here many years ago. She is very mentally ill......and was very heavily into drugs which made things worse. I am glad she is off the streets! At least she is honest about her psychopathy....yeeesh. Scary.

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Makes one wonder just how many of these people are on the streets... and THAT is scary!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Which case was that? I bought his book about 10 years ago. I thought he was a really good scientist, but he goofed up in the Phil Spector trial.

He sure did mess up on Phil Spector...IMO he lost every shred of credibility in my eyes

Which case was it he did the ketchup demonstration ?


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[katiecoolady]

Which case was that? I bought his book about 10 years ago. I thought he was a really good scientist, but he goofed up in the Phil Spector trial.

Michael Peterson. He also spit ketchup across the courtroom to demonstrate this preposterous theory. Some landed on the defense attorney which was awesome. This case is documented in the heavily slanted documentary "The Staircase" which if you can get past the bias is a good mini series documentary.

 

[katiecoolady]

Wouldn't surprise me if she was mocking him and telling him he was screaming like a girl...in her demented little voice.


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Ugh I could see that too.

 

[TigerBalm]

He sure did mess up on Phil Spector...IMO he lost every shred of credibility in my eyes

Which case was it he did the ketchup demonstration ?


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Michael Peterson in NC

(who happens to be out on appeal pending a new trial)

 

[LadyEdith]

Michael Peterson. He also spit ketchup across the courtroom to demonstrate this preposterous theory. Some landed on the defense attorney which was awesome. This case is documented in the heavily slanted documentary "The Staircase" which if you can get past the bias is a good mini series documentary.

He only works cold cases now and teaches criminology classes. Experts get to a point where they lack humility. His book was good. I was so disappointed to hear about his "lapses".

I can't believe a judge let him spit ketchup.

 

[Quester]

Re: picture of Travis bleeding:

I just listened to the forensic guy's whole testimony about the pics, and below is a list of exhibits, times, and descriptions of all the photos. He did not say that the dragging picture was deleted -- he said it was in the unallocated memory space. Earlier he had testified that pictures in unallocated memory does not mean they had been deleted. I've noted which pictures he testified were deleted, unallocated or both.

Nude pics

[table="table"]164 - 1:42:53 PM -- female; unallocated space


165 - 1:44:00 - no description


166 - 1:44:50 - male, personal lubricant can be seen


167 - 1:47:15 - nude/personal lubricant; deleted image

168 - nude/personal lubricant; no date and time info; unallocated space; deleted image

169 - unallocated cluster - no description, no date, time[/table]

Shower pics

[table="shower"]141 - 5:22:24 - Travis in shower, facing right, arms crossed

142 - 5:22:36 - Travis' back, in shower

143 - 5:22:54 - Travis's back, in shower, darker than previous photo

144- 5:23:00 - Travis' back, in shower, dark

145 - 5:23:24 - Travis facing right in shower, dark

146 - 5:23:30 - Travis facing right in shower, dark

147 - 5:24:30 - Travis facing right, head down, dark

148 - 5:24:48 - Travis facing left, dark

149 - 5:24:52 - Travis facing left, dark

150 - 5:24:56 -Travis facing left

151 - 5:25:00 - Travis facing left, hands on wall

153 -5:26:56-- Travis' back, shower, dark

154 - 5:27:12 - Travis in shower, dark

155 - 5:27:18 - Travis facing left, sort of looking towards camera, dark

156 - 5:27:28 - Travis facing right, dark

157- 5:28:54 - Travis facing right, dark

158 - 5:29:12 - Travis' face, looking at camera, sitting, dark

159 - 5:29:20 - Travis's face, looking at camera, sitting

160 - 5:30:30 - Travis sitting in shower facing right, head/face not visible
[/table]

Accidental photos

[table="accidental photos"]161 - 5:31:14 --bathroom ceiling, dark; camera right side up 2-3 feet off ground; unallocated space

162 - 5:32:16 --Travis on tile bleeding, foot in foreground, dark; camera upside down and on floor; unallocated space

163 -- 5:33:32 - floor board, travis bleeding in top left; camera upside down and on the floor; unallocated space[/table]

Thanks! Very useful!

Would also be interesting to include shower door open or closed status in list, JMHO.

(eg The eery photo of TA's face in shower #159, door appears to be closed. Next photo, #160, of TA seated on shower stall floor of body only - door appears to be open. JMHO.

 

[katiecoolady]

Michael Peterson in NC

(who happens to be out on appeal pending a new trial)

That's been awhile now...think they will still retry him? Haven't heard a thing about that Peterson killer.

 

[Isabelle]

Thanks! Very useful!

Would also be interesting to include shower door open or closed status in list, JMHO.

(eg The eery photo of TA's face in shower #159, door appears to be closed. Next photo, #160, of TA seated on shower stall floor of body only - door appears to be open. JMHO.

Would also be interested to know what was going on from the time the last nude pic was taken and the first shower pic!

 

[PASA]

This happened in PHOENIX. Just sharing....

Woman who confessed to torturing, dismembering man gets natural life in prison.



http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Woman-who-confessed-to-torturing-dismembering-man-get-natural-life-in-prison-145963375.html

Did they take the death penalty off the table because she was diagnosed as being mentally ill?
I can't remember much about the case.

 

[LadyEdith]

That's been awhile now...think they will still retry him? Haven't heard a thing about that Peterson killer.

I just looked it up--it looks like some folks believe an owl (yes, I said owl) was involved because an owl feather was found at the scene and the head wounds she sustained were consistent with those an owl could have made....

 

[katiecoolady]

Time wise where in the photo taking is the 4 min break?

 

[katiecoolady]

I just looked it up--it looks like some folks believe an owl (yes, I said owl) was involved because an owl feather was found at the scene and the head wounds she sustained were consistent with those an owl could have made....

Yes, the talon theory. That trial was a humdinger including his family "finding" the proposed murder weapon hiding in plain sight the last day of the defense case. That defense attorney got out of control with his ego it was crazy. In The Staircase he let cameras follow them around all the trial prep. It's an interesting look behind the scenes. He also tried to sell he was sitting outside in 50 degree weather in shorts smoking a cigar and moon tanning by a fountain for 2-3 hours until 2am or so. Nuts.

 

[kkdj]

Good Theory! So I guess she believed the washer would wash all prints away... and the deleted ones couldn't be retrieved.

I bet that was a real stunner to her... that they could. :what:

I bet it stunned her too! But she stayed pretty calm! I think my body would have started shaking uncontrollably, maybe started to cry, and probably wet my pants! But not Jodi! Amazing!

 

[Jax49]

Would also be interested to know what was going on from the time the last nude pic was taken and the first shower pic!

I've been thinking the same thing. Hours are missing. What was going on?

One thought, there may have been 'red marks' on TA's skin in the shower photos. And, someone left a piece (or 2) of duct tape around.

?????

 

[lil_buddy]

Veronica, I want you quickly to take us back to that cat story again and tell us how you experienced that.

VERONICA: Yes, doctor. So anyway, she was taking care of this cat supposedly for two weeks. And after the two weeks she had told me, she said, "Veronica, boy, when I went to retrieve the cat after two weeks" -- I said, what do you mean after two weeks retrieved the cat? She said, "Well, I left it in a room with enough food and water." I said, for two weeks? What are you talking about, Jodi? She said -- and she kind of got a little startled at my response.

And she said, "Well, when I went to get the cat to take it to the Humane Society, it was shaking, veronica. The cat was shaking. I guess I kind of feel bad." Uh.

PINSKY: Wow.

VERONICA: "I kind of feel bad." That bleached blond.

PINSKY: That was where you drew the line with her I understand. That was where you started realizing there is something wrong with her.

Did she ever talk about her family? Her siblings?

VERONICA: The only way she talked about her family was this, Doctor. She spoke fluent Spanish. She was really good. And I said, Jodi, wow, you speak Spanish. You know, are you part Spanish or South American, whatever? She said, "No, I`m half Mexican."

And that`s where the hair color came in. Because I was like, Jodi, why are you bleaching the hair? I mean, it was so -- it was horrible. And she said because -- she goes, she didn`t want to look ethnic.

PINSKY: Interesting.

VERONICA: That was her response. She was half Mexican, she didn`t want to look it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/16/ddhln.01.html

I'm kind of having a hard time believing Veronica is legit. How much time did Dr. D's staff verifying Veronica worked with JA, I wonder.

 

[lil_buddy]

Veronica, I want you quickly to take us back to that cat story again and tell us how you experienced that.

VERONICA: Yes, doctor. So anyway, she was taking care of this cat supposedly for two weeks. And after the two weeks she had told me, she said, "Veronica, boy, when I went to retrieve the cat after two weeks" -- I said, what do you mean after two weeks retrieved the cat? She said, "Well, I left it in a room with enough food and water." I said, for two weeks? What are you talking about, Jodi? She said -- and she kind of got a little startled at my response.

And she said, "Well, when I went to get the cat to take it to the Humane Society, it was shaking, veronica. The cat was shaking. I guess I kind of feel bad." Uh.

PINSKY: Wow.

VERONICA: "I kind of feel bad." That bleached blond.

PINSKY: That was where you drew the line with her I understand. That was where you started realizing there is something wrong with her.

Did she ever talk about her family? Her siblings?

VERONICA: The only way she talked about her family was this, Doctor. She spoke fluent Spanish. She was really good. And I said, Jodi, wow, you speak Spanish. You know, are you part Spanish or South American, whatever? She said, "No, I`m half Mexican."

And that`s where the hair color came in. Because I was like, Jodi, why are you bleaching the hair? I mean, it was so -- it was horrible. And she said because -- she goes, she didn`t want to look ethnic.

PINSKY: Interesting.

VERONICA: That was her response. She was half Mexican, she didn`t want to look it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/16/ddhln.01.html

I'm kind of having a hard time believing Veronica is legit. How much time did Dr. D's staff verifying Veronica worked with JA, I wonder.

My reasons for doubt is that it was never made clear EXACTLY when and where they worked together and Veronica sounded like a tall-tale teller.

 

[Harmony 2]

I dont think anything was found.

Nothing prevented Nurmi from asking the ME about the toxicology results.

Imo Travis did no drugs...he did not smoke...nor drink alcohol or even drink caffene.

I am not a lawyer but since Mr. Martinez didn't bring it up in his direct could the defense ask about it? btw it wasn't Mr. Nurmi, it was the female defense lawyer, who asked the questions.

BEYOND THE SCOPE

Objection, Your Honor, this is beyond the scope of the direct

Permissible questions during cross, redirect, and recross must be related to information gathered during direct examination. Questions during redirect cannot go beyond the scope of cross, and questions during recross cannot go beyond the scope of redirect; and so on.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/425/Objections Lecture.htm

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm kind of having a hard time believing Veronica is legit. How much time did Dr. D's staff verifying Veronica worked with JA, I wonder.

I didn't see it, but reading the transcripts I found the wording, detail and content to be credible.


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[TaRazza]

I'm kind of having a hard time believing Veronica is legit. How much time did Dr. D's staff verifying Veronica worked with JA, I wonder.

My reasons for doubt is that it was never made clear EXACTLY when and where they worked together and Veronica sounded like a tall-tale teller.

Don't know if Veronica was telling the truth or not, but from what I remember (if I recall correctly), she said she worked with Arias at Bing Crosby's Restaurant in Desert Palm. The part about that poor kitty really got to me.