The Verdict - Do you agree or disagree? #4

[yolorado]

I for the life of me can't understand how anyone can disregard duct tape placed on the face of a child...but obviously the jury did. I stand firmly with Dr. G. and her eloquent testimony.

Yep and worse, not only did they ignore the duct tape found with the skull of the child, they ignored that the mother never reported the child missing or dead and/ or, even more sinister, never called 911 to summon help because of some accident, if there was an accident. Apparently, they really didn't have a problem with that. They even ignored the disposal of the child in a swamp. Even worse, if it can be worse, they never put those things together and used common sense about what those things together HAD to mean. I will never feel comfortable with our legal system again, ever. This jury was the end of my trust in justice at all in America.

 

[pcrum12]

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Duct tape found around a dead child's head, nose and mouth/jaw doesn't mean anything?:shakehead:

What ? Did it fall onto the child after she was killed imo and thrown into trash bags before being tossed in the swamp?

mo

IMO I haven't yet seen any proof duct tape was over her mouth and nose or wrapped around her head,

 

[LambChop]

Why are we making up scenarios here? Things that "might" have happened but there isn't a shred of evidence to point in that direction. Pushing the car into the Amscot, drowning, other accidents, and now seizure's. IMO, the jurors were lazy, wanted to get home, didn't do their jobs, period! Their statements after the verdict just further proves this fact.

I do not agree with this verdict, never have, never will. The "stories" floating around now, just further seals the deal for me. The Grandparents are still coming up with new revelations in order to try to excuse what their daughter did. You don't keep changing stories, if you believe your daughter is innocent. You don't hide if you are a mother and you are innocent.

FCA murdered little Caylee. Justice was not served in the courts. Justice continues to not be served for little Caylee. The Anthony family failed Caylee and continue to fail her each and every day.

And wouldn't we all just respect them more if they just told the truth. The truth is when you look someone in the eye, short and sweet, and tell them what happened. The truth does not require embellishments. Good post BTW. jmo

 

[yolorado]

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I do not agree with this verdict, never have, never will. The "stories" floating around now, just further seals the deal for me. The Grandparents are still coming up with new revelations in order to try to excuse what their daughter did. You don't keep changing stories, if you believe your daughter is innocent. You don't hide if you are a mother and you are innocent.

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I agree on all points. Just like to add that, most of all, if someone doesn't report their child missing or accidentally deceased and hinders all efforts to find the child or get to the truth about what happened and that child turns up dead, thrown away, found with duct tape on and around her, any defense attorney truly interested in justice doesn't repeat obvious tales to get her off, and any jury worth defending doesn't let that woman go free! Our country isn't going to heck in a handbasket. It's already gone.

 

[logicalgirl]

I agree with your comment about George assuming. However, someone not coming forward doesn't prove the story either way.

In a case involving the death of a toddler - why wouldn't they? We are speaking about reasonable doubt here...

Pushing a car into an Amscot lot does not involve a crime and this case was published nationally. It is unreasonable to assume the good samaritans would not volunteer this information as they could do it quietly without media recognition.

 

[logicalgirl]

IMO I haven't yet seen any proof duct tape was over her mouth and nose or wrapped around her head,

After rereading the autopsy report, could you be kind enough to give us a theory on why it was there? I'd appreciate any information you can bring to the thread.

 

[AngelWings444]

IMO I haven't yet seen any proof duct tape was over her mouth and nose or wrapped around her head,

There is an entire thread dedicated to the duct tape being over Caylee's mouth etc..you should check it out. Very interesting.

 

[logicalgirl]

This was Casey's MO in life. The lies didn't just start day 1 of 31. So what you describe above and what we see from day 1 of 31 is normal Casey. Very abnormal, strange at best to the rest of us but very normal to Casey.

"Losing" one's daughter for 31 days and avoiding her parents, and lying about Caylee being with a "nanny" whenever anyone asked her during that period was unusual even for the gal that called herself a "great liar".

 

[yolorado]

After rereading the autopsy report, could you be kind enough to give us a theory on why it was there? I'd appreciate any information you can bring to the thread.

Didn't the prosecution also present a film in court to show how the configuration of the duct tape found with Caylee would have fit perfectly over the skull under her little face?! I haven't seen it but I remember how shocked and convinced Vinnie Politan was after he'd seen it.

 

[pcrum12]

No one checked to see if the car was out of gas. GA assumed because KC was always running out of gas and brought the gas cans. There are pictures in discovery which show there was gas in the car even with GA putting some in it was more than a couple of gallons. The gas gauge was not broken.

So there was no proof that the car ran out of gas. Belief is she drove into the spot because it is in the back and someone pushing her would have stopped near the entrance. Her car was perfectly parked right next to the dumpster. Hard to do when you have no gas. Plus no one ever came forward to verify KC's statement. jmo

My understandin is that the car was out of gas. When GA went to towyard, yes he took gas, but they tried to start the car and it would not start and was out of gas. He then put gas in the tank and it then started.

 

[logicalgirl]

Lots of reasons. Not everyone is observant. People are absorbed with their own bubbles. People see stuff but don't actually see stuff. People don't want to be involved. People don't want their lives under media a microscope and have all their skeletons broadcast all over the Nancy Grace show just for being a good Samaritan to the wrong person. Not significant a detail to come forward about given the media circus. People not aware what they did was significant in any way. Someone with something of their own to keep secret not wanting the scrutiny. Any number of reasons.

I know it *sounds* reasonable to say why wouldn't they just come forward and make a statement but reality is, a *lot* of people have very valid reasons for not.

I don't believe she just abandoned the car with any sense of permanency. Perhaps temporarily for a couple of days, not figuring someone would tow it.

Can you remind me again why she was only leaving it temporarily when it stunk so badly (and still did three years later) that her family couldn't store it in their garage and FCA couldn't stand to drive it? FCA was saving up the money to have it detailed?

 

[LambChop]

In a case involving the death of a toddler - why wouldn't they? We are speaking about reasonable doubt here...

Pushing a car into an Amscot lot does not involve a crime and this case was published nationally. It is unreasonable to assume the good samaritans would not volunteer this information as they could do it quietly without media recognition.

They must be real hunky guys to have turned the car around and backed it into the parking space perfectly right next to that dumpster in the back of the parking lot of Amscot. Funny they did not come forward and confirm the "stinky squirrels" smell that was coming from the trunk area of her car as they were pushing if off the road. And why didn't KC just call her father right then and there and tell him to come get the car???? He was only a couple of miles away. That's right....KC was suppose to be in Jacksonville. No squirrels, no JMH, no Zanny, and guess what.....no guys. jmo

 

[pcrum12]

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Why not read the autopsy reports yourself? They are quite visual...and readily available...

And they read , One can INFER .

 

[yolorado]

"Losing" one's daughter for 31 days and avoiding her parents, and lying about Caylee being with a "nanny" whenever anyone asked her during that period was unusual even for the gal that called herself a "great liar".

The jury seemed to be telling us that it's ok not to report your child missing and/or dead, that parents don't have to prove they took every measure to save their child if they say they died accidentally. They seemed to be saying, you kill your baby and/ or you don't call 911 to resuscitate your baby, no problem. You didn't really do anything wrong. Nobody saw you do anything. Nobody can prove a thing. Let's go to Disneyland and take a cruise. Yeehaw!

 

[yolorado]

My understandin is that the car was out of gas. When GA went to towyard, yes he took gas, but they tried to start the car and it would not start and was out of gas. He then put gas in the tank and it then started.

Then why did she tell Tony it was in the shop later while it was still at Amscott. Why didn't she just put gas in and use it? More likely, she couldn't stand the smell which is why she told Amy her dad ran over squirrels. Why say anything about a smell if she didn't eventually expect to have to cover one? Telling Amy was cover. Driving the car was impossible because it smelled of death. She couldn't stand it herself or risk having someone else start asking questions about it. The lie was that the smell came from squirrels, when KC knew darn well what it really came from. The jury ignored KC's own testimony through her action of abandoning the car. Other people smelled it later, but she smelled it first.

 

[logicalgirl]

The jury seemed to be telling us that it's ok not to report your child missing and/or dead, that parents don't have to prove they took every measure to save their child if they say they died accidentally. They seemed to be saying, you kill your baby and/ or you don't call 911 to resuscitate your baby, no problem. You didn't really do anything wrong. Nobody saw you do anything. Nobody can prove a thing. Let's go to Disneyland and take a cruise. Yeehaw!

No - I think the jury was just saying - "just say you left your kid with someone else" - and "hey, let's have lunch on the state, grab a few treats from the dessert lady and be on our way - cause who are we to put this all together. Isn't this stuff decided for us and only supposed to take an hour like on CSI?"

 

[logicalgirl]

Then why did she tell Tony it was in the shop later while it was still at Amscott. Why didn't she just put gas in and use it? More likely, she couldn't stand the smell which is why she told Amy her dad ran over squirrels. Why say anything about a smell if she didn't eventually expect to have to cover one? Telling Amy was cover. Driving the car was impossible because it smelled of death. She couldn't stand it herself or risk having someone else start asking questions about it. The lie was that the smell came from squirrels, when KC knew darn well what it really came from. The jury ignored KC's own testimony through her action of abandoning the car. Other people smelled it later, but she smelled it first.

Yes, she did, which is how the remains of Caylee got out of the trunk and into the swamp on Suburban Drive. FCA opened the trunk, took the bag out of the trunk, heaved it off the side of the road, and drove away.

Too late FCA - too late. The smell just kept getting worse......

 

[pcrum12]

After rereading the autopsy report, could you be kind enough to give us a theory on why it was there? I'd appreciate any information you can bring to the thread.

I have read and re-read and re-re-read the autopsy. I've followed the case from day 1. The autopsy states it can be INFERRED that the tape was over the mouth and nose. If you check my post you can re-read my theory and thoughts.

 

[pcrum12]

There is an entire thread dedicated to the duct tape being over Caylee's mouth etc..you should check it out. Very interesting.

I've read the thread and all other threads. I've also read every document. IMO there is only an inferrance.

 

[pcrum12]

Didn't the prosecution also present a film in court to show how the configuration of the duct tape found with Caylee would have fit perfectly over the skull under her little face?! I haven't seen it but I remember how shocked and convinced Vinnie Politan was after he'd seen it.

And it was just that. A configuration that it Could have been placed that way. JMO