Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[debs]

NoMoreSorrow........I felt that was worth a kudos as well as a second read. Quite astute assessment.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I am choosing to believe Tim Miller. That is about the only one who appears to be telling us the truth as he sees it. Yes, he has his problems, buy lying about what he sees and hears is not one of them.

ITA Whisperer - Tim Miller has/had nothing to gain in any of this. Tim's only agenda is finding the missing child - PERIOD. Honestly that for me was the point at which I was shocked in this case, to see a man like Tim Miller, a man who finds/brings the missing home, discredited over RC... I still continue to shake my head in disbelief. JMHO -

 

[Skully]

Whisp,

I agree with with your post, but I don't think LE is back at square one. I think they know exactly what happened or some version that is very close. They just don't have a smoking gun. They have nothing to tie the person or persons to her disappearance. They have chosen their words very carefully when talking to the media, and that makes people speculate about what they know, including the guilty parties. I think they are at a place now where she (Haleigh) had to surface or they (MC and accomplice)have to make a mistake. I am a firm believer she had help as she had no car and JR was there that night.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I"VE NEVER MET A DUCK WHO WALKS LIKE A DUCK...

AND TALKS LIKE A DUCK...

AND TURNED OUT TO BE A TURTLE!

Point: LE can't simply arrest someone for walking like a duck and talking like a duck - They're obligated to meet a higher standard; to prove in a court of law that this is, without doubt, a duck...afterall.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Guess New York doesn't mess around - Mom's boyfriend arrested for reckless endangerment after a door is found open and child missing...
Oh yeah - Can someone remind again why no one has been arrested for reckless endangerment in HaLeigh's case?!

http://wcbstv.com/local/missing.newburgh.child.2.1369890.html

As the search continues for a little boy in Orange County who vanished from his apartment in Newburgh on Monday afternoon, the boyfriend of the boy's mother has been charged with reckless endangerment after allegedly not watching over the child when he went missing.

 

[doobiedoo52]

Although I have just about given up on any theories anymore, I do believe that whatever happened to Haleigh happened around 1:00-1:30 a.m.

For one thing, LE would have no reason to not state Ron's actual working hours. Since they haven't, just that they are satisfied, I believe he got off at his normal time. That could place him back at the MH in that 1-1:30 time frame. According to his pastor, he went to work and 8 hours later she was gone. He didn't say 12 hours later. I think some points of truth do pop through now and then.

Also, PDM employees were threatened with dismissal if they talked. Once again, I see this as LE not wanting the public to think they were questioning his story on the overtime.

We have neighbors hearing yelling from the MH at that time. We also have a 911 dispatch message saying HC was last seen at that time. So, something big occured at that time of night. That is what I would really like to know--what happened then. Did RC come home & find the kids alone? Was MC there and they got into a huge fight? Was someone else there? And whatever happened, was RC in need of an alibi and make it a point to go back & stop at that minimart so he could back up his overtime story?

 

[Skully]

Guess New York doesn't mess around - Mom's boyfriend arrested for reckless endangerment after a door is found open and child missing...
Oh yeah - Can someone remind again why no one has been arrested for reckless endangerment in HaLeigh's case?!

http://wcbstv.com/local/missing.newburgh.child.2.1369890.html

As the search continues for a little boy in Orange County who vanished from his apartment in Newburgh on Monday afternoon, the boyfriend of the boy's mother has been charged with reckless endangerment after allegedly not watching over the child when he went missing.

Maybe someone should forward this to PCSO..... at least Marie. Also, note that they are treating this as a missing person case, even though they don't think that is the case.

 

[Whisperer]

If LE arrested ron for reckless endangerment, he would bail out in an hour. Later if they try to arrest him for being involved in Haleigh's disappearance, they wouldn't be able to use the information gleaned from the reckless case to a new and bigger charge. One thing I have learned from being around them is they are patient when it comes to getting their guy. They say, "he/she ain't going anywhere so let's get it right".

 

[OneLove]

I do believe that whatever happened to Haleigh happened around 1:00-1:30 a.m........... I believe he got off at his normal time.

That could place him back at the MH in that 1-1:30 time frame.

We have neighbors hearing yelling from the MH at that time.

We also have a 911 dispatch message saying HC was last seen at that time.

Did RC come home & find the kids alone? Was MC there and they got into a huge fight? Was someone else there? And whatever happened, was RC in need of an alibi and make it a point to go back & stop at that minimart so he could back up his overtime story?

Hmmmm....might he have come home to find Haleigh overdosed? It wouldn't be a stretch for a self-avowed drugger to drug a child with something simple, like Benadryl, or an illegally gotten prescription like Oxycontin, just to make her sleep so she could go out to play herself. There have been several high-profile murder trials of people who killed tots accidentally that way.

If that is what happened, because they would both share accountability for the death, maybe he took off with the body to hide, stopped at the store for alibi, and the charade began.

OR, maybe he arrived home to find Misti GONE (wouldn't surprise me), Haleigh dead from an overdose, felt responsible and FURIOUS that Misti bugged out on the kids after their 8:30 fight, hid the body, and while he was still out, SHE came home to find Haleigh gone and truly had no clue what had happened to her. Ron then came home shortly after and blamed her, as in "how could you let my child get stole, b*tch", thinking that would shift blame to her but not for a MURDER, just negligence.

Maybe Ron felt badly enough about shifting the blame/attention to HER knowing she was innocent, and so he married her to make up for that, but never got over his passive/aggressive seething anger at her wild weekend and ditching the kids to go party the night Haleigh died. So they both share in the responsibility for the death.

Maybe her brother was actually sent over to "look in" on the kids and be sure they were still sleepiing. Hey, if respected physicians like the McCanns in Great Britain can get away with this as an acceptable standard, you don't think it had been done routinely by folks such as the Cummings/Croslins?

This could be why the 'deception' test results are so confusing, and why Ron just flat out refuses to be tested. It could also be why Ron showed such a heightened need to control her answers when they were televised in interviews.

The more I think about this theory, the more I like it.

 

[Pondering Mind]

If LE arrested ron for reckless endangerment, he would bail out in an hour. Later if they try to arrest him for being involved in Haleigh's disappearance, they wouldn't be able to use the information gleaned from the reckless case to a new and bigger charge. One thing I have learned from being around them is they are patient when it comes to getting their guy. They say, "he/she ain't going anywhere so let's get it right".

Whisp, while I know that you are absolutely right..in case you haven't noticed PATIENCE is not exactly one of my finer qualities, lol...
It's mind boggling to think that in less than 2 months HaLeigh will have been missing for a YEAR..

 

[Skully]

If LE arrested ron for reckless endangerment, he would bail out in an hour. Later if they try to arrest him for being involved in Haleigh's disappearance, they wouldn't be able to use the information gleaned from the reckless case to a new and bigger charge. One thing I have learned from being around them is they are patient when it comes to getting their guy. They say, "he/she ain't going anywhere so let's get it right".

I was thinking of Misty.... Not Ron. Misty was the last one with her.

 

[Whisperer]

I was thinking of Misty.... Not Ron. Misty was the last one with her.

Good Morning Bern..
Same story with Misty. Because the crimes may overlap, they would lose evidence if they arrest her on those charges because they can't use that information on a new charge if they decide to prosecute her down the road for a bigger crime.

If you recall with Casey, they did not prosecute her on any charges related to Caylee. They dropped the negligence and just are going for simple fraud and stolen checks. They will keep the charges separate from Caylee and murder, missing or anything else.

 

[lil momma]

Whisperer That makes so much sense.

 

[Skully]

Can't they just up the charges if Haleigh's body is found? I bet that is what will happen with the boyfriend in the missing boy case. I think if Misty was put in jail, she would crack under pressure.

 

[Whisperer]

Can't they just up the charges if Haleigh's body is found? I bet that is what will happen with the boyfriend in the missing boy case. I think if Misty was put in jail, she would crack under pressure.

Sure Bern, they can up the charges; however, they can't use anything in the new charges that is related to a conviction of the former charges.

IOW, if they brough negligence and showed that she left Haleigh alone for awhile and went to court with it; they would not be able to use any of the information they used in that court case for the new charges. I guess it falls under double jeopardy. So they will hold out on arresting either of them on anything that will be related to Haleigh's disappearance till they have what they need for the BIG one.

Of course, if they didn't think either were involved with the crime, then they would bring up other charges if they wanted because they would not have to worry about needing that information for a conviction in the crime of a missing child.

Am I making sense?

 

[kiki the parrot]

Sure Bern, they can up the charges; however, they can't use anything in the new charges that is related to a conviction of the former charges.

IOW, if they brough negligence and showed that she left Haleigh alone for awhile and went to court with it; they would not be able to use any of the information they used in that court case for the new charges. I guess it falls under double jeopardy. So they will hold out on arresting either of them on anything that will be related to Haleigh's disappearance till they have what they need for the BIG one.

Of course, if they didn't think either were involved with the crime, then they would bring up other charges if they wanted because they would not have to worry about needing that information for a conviction in the crime of a missing child.

Am I making sense?

(bbm) You're making perfect sense to me...

arrot:

 

[elle1919]

Hmmmm....might he have come home to find Haleigh overdosed? It wouldn't be a stretch for a self-avowed drugger to drug a child with something simple, like Benadryl, or an illegally gotten prescription like Oxycontin, just to make her sleep so she could go out to play herself. There have been several high-profile murder trials of people who killed tots accidentally that way.

If that is what happened, because they would both share accountability for the death, maybe he took off with the body to hide, stopped at the store for alibi, and the charade began.

OR, maybe he arrived home to find Misti GONE (wouldn't surprise me), Haleigh dead from an overdose, felt responsible and FURIOUS that Misti bugged out on the kids after their 8:30 fight, hid the body, and while he was still out, SHE came home to find Haleigh gone and truly had no clue what had happened to her. Ron then came home shortly after and blamed her, as in "how could you let my child get stole, b*tch", thinking that would shift blame to her but not for a MURDER, just negligence.

Maybe Ron felt badly enough about shifting the blame/attention to HER knowing she was innocent, and so he married her to make up for that, but never got over his passive/aggressive seething anger at her wild weekend and ditching the kids to go party the night Haleigh died. So they both share in the responsibility for the death.

Maybe her brother was actually sent over to "look in" on the kids and be sure they were still sleepiing. Hey, if respected physicians like the McCanns in Great Britain can get away with this as an acceptable standard, you don't think it had been done routinely by folks such as the Cummings/Croslins?

This could be why the 'deception' test results are so confusing, and why Ron just flat out refuses to be tested. It could also be why Ron showed such a heightened need to control her answers when they were televised in interviews.

The more I think about this theory, the more I like it.

I disagree, the facts that we have to work with do not support most things you have stated. Law Enforcement knows what time RC left work, Law Enforcement knows what time RC was inside the convenience store, I for one believe that Law Enforcement knows exactly how long it should have taken him to leave PDM and arrive at the convenience store to estimate exactly when RC should have arrived for the beer and peanuts. Law Enforcement has the cell phone records and pings showing where RC was at different intervals throughout the evening, His phone pings have been discussed on Nancy Grace numerous times and that truly gives me the impression that They know exactly where RC was and if he had ventured off the regular course or taken even an extra five minutes to get home, we wouldn't be sitting here over 10 months later wondering what happened to Haleigh Cummings.

Respectively on to the portion of your post that I bolded, do you have information that proves that the respectable physicians,( I have to go with your description because I haven't followed the case closely enough to know that) The McCanns murdered their child?

Ronald did submit to a polygraph test, where have you read that he is "flat out refusing" to be tested? TIA

 

[debs]

I believe that the McCann's were referenced only in the leaving of their children in the home alone while they dined 100 yards away at a restaurant.

 

[elle1919]

I believe that the McCann's were referenced only in the leaving of their children in the home alone while they dined 100 yards away at a restaurant.

I asked a question because the post I read sure seemed to be implying that the McCanns got away with murder since leaving their child and drugging her is explained in the theory.

 

[newstome]

I thought they left her in a hotel room with their other even younger children, and they were vacationing.