Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #2

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Does anyone know the date that KC did yard work ... dug up the tree/bush/whatever it was??

I've never heard when that fits into the timeline.

Also, if KC hid her body in the backyard for longer than a couple of hours while she figured out what to do, don't you think the Anthony's dog would have been very curious? I know my dog would probably not leave the sandbox alone if there was a dead body in it...especially a family member he knew well. I think their dog would have smelled at or dug at any area that she hid Caylee for a couple of days.

I do think she may have laid her down in the area (sandbox) until she got the nerve to put her into the bag and into her trunk.
 
I think if KC attempted to bury Caylee in the backyard, but found it too time-consuming, there would be evidence in the yard of her attempting to dig.

I just watched CA's testimony during the bond hearing and she claimed she tucked Caylee into bed on the night of the 15th and KNEW KC and Caylee were both in bed on the morning of the 16th. Didn't say how she knew, though.

There was a call to kc's cell phone early am the 16th from the a's house, why? shouldnt who ever ga ca just be able to walk in her room? The shovel really threw me, shovel dig, not this time the shovel was to break the shed lock, she needed the gas cans, I think she took caylee to the backyard to put her in the rolling duffel, thats why the dogs hit.
 
I don't understand your question. You say that George must have looked in the trunk and also that Casey threw the gas cans at George before he could look in the trunk. :waitasec:

No, I said she threw the gas cans and took off before he could look more closely into the trunk for whatever it was he needed to rotate CA's tires. The gas cans are pretty big and he could have spotted them standing from a distance once that trunk was opened. It just seems to me that if she threw the gas cans at him and took off, then maybe she did this because she didn't want him to get too close to the trunk to see what else was in there. Even if he spotted the gas cans from a short distance away, he should have smelled the decomp.

If George wasn't standing close enough by where he got a glimpse of the gas cans, then why in the world would she have given them to him after telling him she was sorry that someone broke into the shed and stole the gas cans?
 
Also....

does anyone know how long someone has to be "dead" for a cadaver dog to be able to hit on the smell?? (10 mins, 2 hours, 1 day??)

Just curious to see if it fits in with Caylee just being hidden for a while in the sandbox or if she truly had to be dead and there for a long time for the dogs to hit.
 
No, I said she threw the gas cans and took off before he could look more closely into the trunk for whatever it was he needed to rotate CA's tires. The gas cans are pretty big and he could have spotted them standing from a distance once that trunk was opened. It just seems to me that if she threw the gas cans at him and took off, then maybe she did this because she didn't want him to get too close to the trunk to see what else was in there. Even if he spotted the gas cans from a short distance away, he should have smelled the decomp.

If George wasn't standing close enough by where he got a glimpse of the gas cans, then why in the world would she have given them to him after telling him she was sorry that someone broke into the shed and stole the gas cans?

Because she knew that he was really looking for the gas cans, not the tool. If she didn't produce them, he was going to use looking for the tool as an excuse to look in her trunk. Better to admit to being a thief than to have your father smell decomp in your car.
 
KC your parent involved herself so much in your's and Caylee's lives that it's truthfully you who occasionally "babysat" your own child, if your mother complained or insisted. Even on those occasions you wanted to sleep w/ men so badly you lied to your mother to shut her up and, when they'd go along w it, secretly took Caylee into bed w your boytoys. Your mother made all the decisions in your daughter's life and you couldn't have disciplined her either because that too was Grandma's job.

Those times you even tried to act as mother to Caylee, you were just as swiftly shot down and the little confidence you had collapsed away for not doing it her way--the "right way." The more you failed, the less you tried until you resigned yourself that your mother's pronouncements of your inadequate mothering must be true--so why bother? She even calls herself 'Mom' to your child. Face it, you can never measure up to her standards, can never compete w the Perfect Mom, who ALWAYS knows better and NEVER admits to a mistake--to do that, she's shown you, is a sign of weakness so at all costs you must never make yourself vulnerable. Afterall, you have fought your whole life to just have the right to your own voice--and this would spell death to what shred of individuality you've hung onto...

You had both drawn the line that Father's Day--she by finally kicking you out, enraged by the stealing, while cutting off the intended source for your planned getaway... now only your childless friends would be going and you would be stuck watching Caylee; and you in turn by then refusing to leave Caylee--your daughter--w her. That will change her mind, she will miss Caylee and not really make you move out once you announce your plan to take Caylee w you.

But who could have known that, w/in 24 hours, all your mother's relentless berading and prophecies about your unfit mothering would come true? Were you checking your myspace when you suddenly realized it had been too quiet for too long. Did you wonder where the time had gone as you tore yourself away from the computer to go in search of your normally babbling daughter? Was there a growing sense of unease as you checked every room, calling her name as you saw she wasn't playing in the backyard either? Were you sick w the realization she wasn't in her sandbox... nor the garage... nor playing a game of hide-and-seek, as you approached the pool w dread and terror... Is it here your mind recoiled to see first her backpack, floating on the surface... and then grapples in horror to take in the sight of Caylee's tiny, lifeless body in the bottom of the pool? Were your mother's words deafening in your ears as you asked, how could it have happened?? As you enter the cold water, fully clothed w boots, before you can reach her, was your mind already reeling w horror... was it protesting, but it has only been ten minutes... Or was it flashing back to what was more important than watching your child? Were you wracking your brain w a million questions, like who forgot to close the gate? Hadn't your mother just told you about that? Or something about Caylee soon mastering this task herself? Did you bear the guilt of having attached the ladder yourself--intending to take Caylee in, but becoming distracted; or had she been left unattended long enough that, after wandering back there, she somehow managed to pull the lawnchair over and climb up w/out help, toppling in head first while trying to retrieve a toy...

She is blue, cold and nonresponsive--beyond hope, you despair, of revival or of ever being the same vibrant, alert, active girl. You can already hear your mother's hysterical voice condemning you KC, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE... the guilt and shame so profound it is easier to feel nothing from now on. Did you freeze in your panic, frantically trying to dial while staring in shock and disbelief at your daughter who just minutes ago was so full of life... trying desperately to reach someone, ANYONE, but knowing she will never be the same. You have done the very thing of which your mother has always accused you. Maybe she IS right... You KNOW your mother can NEVER forgive you. She has forgiven so much, but there is no way you can ever make up for this. SHE CAN NEVER LEARN THE TRUTH. This time there is no one who can be trusted, and no one, not even her, who can fix it.

You must hide her then, quickly... in the sandbox... no, the tarp, or wait this smaller storage container, could be dragged behind shrubs toward the rear of the yard... at least until you can figure out some other place, and come back for her. Your clothes are soaked and there is no time to waste, you have to change. You will leave then just like she told you, and stay gone. She will think you have changed, and are no longer depending on them. You just need time... you'll figure everything out later, right now you must hurry to pack a bag of your clothes, which you throw on the front seat, tossing your dripping clothes and boots behind the front seat onto the floor of the car. It is too late--nothing can ever change it, nothing will ever bring her back so you must cut her out of your heart--afterall, everyone lies, everyone dies...


*Of all preschoolers who drown, 75 percent are missing from sight for five minutes or less.

*Among children ages 1 to 4 years, most drownings occur in residential swimming pools. More than 85 percent of drowning among children ages 1 to 4 are pool related. Most young children who drowned in pools were in the care of one or both parents at the time.

*Barriers such as pool fencing, can help prevent children from gaining access to the pool area w/out caregivers’ awareness. Install a four-sided isolation fence that completely separates house and play area of the yard from the pool area. The fence should be at least 4 feet high. Use self-closing and self-latching gates that open outward w latches that are out of reach of children. Also, consider additional barriers such as automatic door locks or alarms to prevent access or notify you if someone enters the pool area.

*The Association of Pool and Spa Professions (ASSP) recommends being aware of objects (ETA like tables, chairs, or containers) which could allow children to climb over barriers and reach the pool.

*Drowning is a "silent killer," swimming and child medical experts said. It's not at all like Hollywood dramatizations depicting floundering swimmers bobbing to the surface yelping for help for several minutes.

*"Kids slip in the water like a pebble going under," said Dr. Marty Eichelberger CEO of the National SAFE KIDS Campaign. "As they try to get themselves out of the water, they sorta streamline their bodies making this linear form, and it takes them straight to the bottom. They only have a minute or two before they loose consciousness. ... It is a silent thing because they are under the water. They are trying to get themselves to the point where they can breathe, and as they breathe, they just suck in more water."

*The majority of children who survive (92%) are discovered w/in two minutes following submersion, and most children who die (86%) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require CPR die or are left w severe brain injury. Nonfatal drownings can cause brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities including learning disabilities and permanent loss of basic functioning (permanent vegetative state).

*In 2005, of all children 1 to 4 years old who died, almost 30% died from drowning. Although drowning rates have slowly declined fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children.

There is nothing to date which connects chloroform to Caylee herself. I enrolled my five year-old daughter in swim lessons this fall after hearing of this case. This is the recommended age for formal instruction, but even swimming classes can not "drown proof" your child. JMO

http://www.poseidon-tech.com/us/statistics.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/05/27...ing/index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm

Very informative.
 
KC your parent involved herself so much in your's and Caylee's lives that it's truthfully you who occasionally "babysat" your own child, if your mother complained or insisted. Even on those occasions you wanted to sleep w/ men so badly you lied to your mother to shut her up and, when they'd go along w it, secretly took Caylee into bed w your boytoys. Your mother made all the decisions in your daughter's life and you couldn't have disciplined her either because that too was Grandma's job.

Those times you even tried to act as mother to Caylee, you were just as swiftly shot down and the little confidence you had collapsed away for not doing it her way--the "right way." The more you failed, the less you tried until you resigned yourself that your mother's pronouncements of your inadequate mothering must be true--so why bother? She even calls herself 'Mom' to your child. Face it, you can never measure up to her standards, can never compete w the Perfect Mom, who ALWAYS knows better and NEVER admits to a mistake--to do that, she's shown you, is a sign of weakness so at all costs you must never make yourself vulnerable. Afterall, you have fought your whole life to just have the right to your own voice--and this would spell death to what shred of individuality you've hung onto...

You had both drawn the line that Father's Day--she by finally kicking you out, enraged by the stealing, while cutting off the intended source for your planned getaway... now only your childless friends would be going and you would be stuck watching Caylee; and you in turn by then refusing to leave Caylee--your daughter--w her. That will change her mind, she will miss Caylee and not really make you move out once you announce your plan to take Caylee w you.

But who could have known that, w/in 24 hours, all your mother's relentless berading and prophecies about your unfit mothering would come true? Were you checking your myspace when you suddenly realized it had been too quiet for too long. Did you wonder where the time had gone as you tore yourself away from the computer to go in search of your normally babbling daughter? Was there a growing sense of unease as you checked every room, calling her name as you saw she wasn't playing in the backyard either? Were you sick w the realization she wasn't in her sandbox... nor the garage... nor playing a game of hide-and-seek, as you approached the pool w dread and terror... Is it here your mind recoiled to see first her backpack, floating on the surface... and then grapples in horror to take in the sight of Caylee's tiny, lifeless body in the bottom of the pool? Were your mother's words deafening in your ears as you asked, how could it have happened?? As you enter the cold water, fully clothed w boots, before you can reach her, was your mind already reeling w horror... was it protesting, but it has only been ten minutes... Or was it flashing back to what was more important than watching your child? Were you wracking your brain w a million questions, like who forgot to close the gate? Hadn't your mother just told you about that? Or something about Caylee soon mastering this task herself? Did you bear the guilt of having attached the ladder yourself--intending to take Caylee in, but becoming distracted; or had she been left unattended long enough that, after wandering back there, she somehow managed to pull the lawnchair over and climb up w/out help, toppling in head first while trying to retrieve a toy...

She is blue, cold and nonresponsive--beyond hope, you despair, of revival or of ever being the same vibrant, alert, active girl. You can already hear your mother's hysterical voice condemning you KC, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE... the guilt and shame so profound it is easier to feel nothing from now on. Did you freeze in your panic, frantically trying to dial while staring in shock and disbelief at your daughter who just minutes ago was so full of life... trying desperately to reach someone, ANYONE, but knowing she will never be the same. You have done the very thing of which your mother has always accused you. Maybe she IS right... You KNOW your mother can NEVER forgive you. She has forgiven so much, but there is no way you can ever make up for this. SHE CAN NEVER LEARN THE TRUTH. This time there is no one who can be trusted, and no one, not even her, who can fix it.

You must hide her then, quickly... in the sandbox... no, the tarp, or wait this smaller storage container, could be dragged behind shrubs toward the rear of the yard... at least until you can figure out some other place, and come back for her. Your clothes are soaked and there is no time to waste, you have to change. You will leave then just like she told you, and stay gone. She will think you have changed, and are no longer depending on them. You just need time... you'll figure everything out later, right now you must hurry to pack a bag of your clothes, which you throw on the front seat, tossing your dripping clothes and boots behind the front seat onto the floor of the car. It is too late--nothing can ever change it, nothing will ever bring her back so you must cut her out of your heart--afterall, everyone lies, everyone dies...


*Of all preschoolers who drown, 75 percent are missing from sight for five minutes or less.

*Among children ages 1 to 4 years, most drownings occur in residential swimming pools. More than 85 percent of drowning among children ages 1 to 4 are pool related. Most young children who drowned in pools were in the care of one or both parents at the time.

*Barriers such as pool fencing, can help prevent children from gaining access to the pool area w/out caregivers’ awareness. Install a four-sided isolation fence that completely separates house and play area of the yard from the pool area. The fence should be at least 4 feet high. Use self-closing and self-latching gates that open outward w latches that are out of reach of children. Also, consider additional barriers such as automatic door locks or alarms to prevent access or notify you if someone enters the pool area.

*The Association of Pool and Spa Professions (ASSP) recommends being aware of objects (ETA like tables, chairs, or containers) which could allow children to climb over barriers and reach the pool.

*Drowning is a "silent killer," swimming and child medical experts said. It's not at all like Hollywood dramatizations depicting floundering swimmers bobbing to the surface yelping for help for several minutes.

*"Kids slip in the water like a pebble going under," said Dr. Marty Eichelberger CEO of the National SAFE KIDS Campaign. "As they try to get themselves out of the water, they sorta streamline their bodies making this linear form, and it takes them straight to the bottom. They only have a minute or two before they loose consciousness. ... It is a silent thing because they are under the water. They are trying to get themselves to the point where they can breathe, and as they breathe, they just suck in more water."

*The majority of children who survive (92%) are discovered w/in two minutes following submersion, and most children who die (86%) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require CPR die or are left w severe brain injury. Nonfatal drownings can cause brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities including learning disabilities and permanent loss of basic functioning (permanent vegetative state).

*In 2005, of all children 1 to 4 years old who died, almost 30% died from drowning. Although drowning rates have slowly declined fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children.

There is nothing to date which connects chloroform to Caylee herself. I enrolled my five year-old daughter in swim lessons this fall after hearing of this case. This is the recommended age for formal instruction, but even swimming classes can not "drown proof" your child. JMO

http://www.poseidon-tech.com/us/statistics.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/05/27...ing/index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm

And also I just had a fence installed. Very comforting to have.
 
Because he was going to go to the trunk himself (he said he had the keys) and she did NOT want him going there, so she beat him to it and "shoved" the gas cans at him before he could reach the trunk and smell the decomp if the smell was present at that time. Was Caylee in the trunk at that time I don't know.


Why the gas cans, though, when that's not what he wanted out of the trunk? He wanted that wedge thing to put under the wheel of the car to prevent it from rolling when he rotated his wife's tires. Why didn't she throw that at him instead of the gas cans if he wasn't close by the trunk? The fact that she threw the gas cans at him doesn't make any sense to me when she apologized to him for them being stolen....unless he got a glimpse of them in her trunk.....or Caylee's body was still in the trunk and she panicked when he came close to the trunk.

Either way, George KNEW something wasn't right about what happened at the trunk and is probably why he said, "Please, don't let this be my Caylee." when they opened the trunk at the tow yard. If he wasn't feeling troubled about what happened on the 24th, then why in the world would he say such a thing before even knowing his grandchild was missing?
 
Because she knew that he was really looking for the gas cans, not the tool. If she didn't produce them, he was going to use looking for the tool as an excuse to look in her trunk. Better to admit to being a thief than to have your father smell decomp in your car.

Why admit anything if she could have just given him what he said he wanted?
 
Why admit anything if she could have just given him what he said he wanted?

Because the wheel chock wasn't in her trunk, George just used that as a ruse to see if she had the gas cans and she knew it.
 
Why admit anything if she could have just given him what he said he wanted?

Cuz he was gaining distance between them.
Plus the wheel chock was down under stuff and would've taken longer to retrieve it....
thus allowing GA to be at the trunk and see what was in there, by the time she got hold of it.

IMO
 
There was a call to kc's cell phone early am the 16th from the a's house, why? shouldnt who ever ga ca just be able to walk in her room? The shovel really threw me, shovel dig, not this time the shovel was to break the shed lock, she needed the gas cans, I think she took caylee to the backyard to put her in the rolling duffel, thats why the dogs hit.

Why take her to the backyard to put her in the duffel bag when she could have done it right there in the trunk or the garage....assuming the body is already in the trunk of her car?

I think the shovel was used to break the lock off the shed, too. I wonder if it was examined to see if there were any knicks or scratches in the metal of the shovel from forcing the lock?

Didn't she go one day with AL to the house to get gas cans? Maybe the guy was confused about the day she got the shovel?
 
I dont think she ever put it down long enough to lose it, this woman did some serious texting and calling $574 bill for one month, wow
How did you know much the phone bill? and who paid the bill?
 
Why take her to the backyard to put her in the duffel bag when she could have done it right there in the trunk or the garage....assuming the body is already in the trunk of her car?

I think the shovel was used to break the lock off the shed, too. I wonder if it was examined to see if there were any knicks or scratches in the metal of the shovel from forcing the lock?

Didn't she go one day with AL to the house to get gas cans? Maybe the guy was confused about the day she got the shovel?

One thing that has bothered me.... how do you use a shovel to break a lock? Was it a door lock, a padlock that uses a key, or a combination pad lock? I would have chosen something else ... a large rock?.... to try to break a lock.

And... did she break the lock, with the shovel, while AL sat in the car and watched her?
 
One thing that has bothered me.... how do you use a shovel to break a lock? Was it a door lock, a padlock that uses a key, or a combination pad lock? I would have chosen something else ... a large rock?.... to try to break a lock.

And... did she break the lock, with the shovel, while AL sat in the car and watched her?

It makes no sense to me that Casey would use a shovel to break a lock. It would be very awkward and clumsy, if not impossible. Why not borrow a hammer or screwdriver instead? I don't think she broke the lock, I think she broke the hasp, which, on one of those plastic sheds, could be done with a kitchen knife.
 
Why take her to the backyard to put her in the duffel bag when she could have done it right there in the trunk or the garage....assuming the body is already in the trunk of her car?

I think the shovel was used to break the lock off the shed, too. I wonder if it was examined to see if there were any knicks or scratches in the metal of the shovel from forcing the lock?

Didn't she go one day with AL to the house to get gas cans? Maybe the guy was confused about the day she got the shovel?

I think she was afraid she would be seen or maybe dad would pull up in the middle of it. I read al's interview again this morning it was the either the 12th or 13th they had Caylee and they were in kc' car I read the shovel info again too, didnt say anything about nicks in the shovel blade but I think they were looking for dna and hair. they found a hair but was not kc or caylee
 
How did you know much the phone bill? and who paid the bill?

because the last insult to poor amy kc tried to pass eletronic check out of amys account, it was declined by boa and this was like either the 15th or 16th of july to At & T for $574.00 it was part of the things released with the trgt vids
 
I remember when Greta did her interview at the A's home..CA said it was a cheap lock. The shed looked like one of those plastic ones. If that is the case and the lock was a hasp with a padlock then it was probably mounted on the shed with screws or stove bolts. It would have been conceivable that KC could have used the shovel to pry the lock off without ever dealing with the padlock. I've always wondered if this is exactly what she did. It would have also been very easy to put the lock back on and push the screws or bolts back on so it would not be obvious that there was anything wrong unless you got up close to the shed. As far as the wedge in KC's trunk, I remember GA explaining that it was bolted down in the trunk and he was trying to explain how KC couldn't have gotten it loose because he really torqued it down. I also remember GA saying something about KC being surprised that GA was home. I think he talked about this in one of his interviews with LE but I'll have to do some looking to make sure.
KC knew GA was testing her..my kids always knew what I was up to when I tried to catch them doing something..
 
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