Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #2

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Why take her to the backyard to put her in the duffel bag when she could have done it right there in the trunk or the garage....assuming the body is already in the trunk of her car?

I think the shovel was used to break the lock off the shed, too. I wonder if it was examined to see if there were any knicks or scratches in the metal of the shovel from forcing the lock?

Didn't she go one day with AL to the house to get gas cans? Maybe the guy was confused about the day she got the shovel?

Hi JAJO..If you believe that KC went to the A home on the 16th after GA left for work..(as I do, I think she did this on a regular basis)...KC drugged Caylee and left her at the home while KC went out and about. When she returned to the A home around 5:00 p.m. Caylee was deceased. Either she awoke early and drowned in the pool or passed away from an overdose. KC wrapped her in something..( I can't get too graphic, makes me sick) and hid her in the sand box because no one messed with the sand box, CA said it was too messy. KC came back around the 18th to retrieve the body, borrowed the shovel, broke into the shed to get gas and a shovel, loaded everything up.
 
Hi JAJO..If you believe that KC went to the A home on the 16th after GA left for work..(as I do, I think she did this on a regular basis)...KC drugged Caylee and left her at the home while KC went out and about. When she returned to the A home around 5:00 p.m. Caylee was deceased. Either she awoke early and drowned in the pool or passed away from an overdose. KC wrapped her in something..( I can't get too graphic, makes me sick) and hid her in the sand box because no one messed with the sand box, CA said it was too messy. KC came back around the 18th to retrieve the body, borrowed the shovel, broke into the shed to get gas and a shovel, loaded everything up.

Yes, I'm thinking very closely like you on this. But I think she used the chloroform to knock her out so that she would not suffer and then put her in the pool until she drowned. She then pulled her out and stuck her in the sandbox (is that were the dogs hit?). She may have borrowed the shovel to try to bury her but realized it was too much work... got the gas cans returned the shovel...drove around with Caylee for a few days until she dumped her somewhere in water...
 
How long would she have to be dead for the dogs to hit on the sandbox???

It would help a lot to determine how long she left her there before she came back to get her body for disposal.

(I still don't get how the family dog would leave the sandbox alone and not scratch, dig, and smell at it if Caylee was in there!!! )
 
I agree with you that the dynamic between mother and daughter is the biggest factor in this tragedy. I commend you for your thoughtful posts and your ability to go beyond just bashing KC. If however the event was unintended, how was she able to bounce back from the horror of it, seemingly hours later, renting movies with her boyfriend. Within days she was dancing and socializing, this is where I struggle to conclude that this was an accident that devastated her. It seems more like it was a conclusion that she was quite content with. I don't know, what do you think?

Such a good question and yes, one w which I too have struggled greatly myself. It seems there are two probable explanations for her incomprehensible actions following Caylee's death. The first is the considerably more popular "Dancing on Caylee's Grave" interpretation which certainly demonizes and depicts her in an entirely unsympathetic light. But I have posted elsewhere that, "The rain falls on both the just, as well as the unjust," ie tragic accidents happen to even the most narcissistic, self-centered, deceitful, immoral people among us. I've often thought that while she undoubtedly had these traits or issues long before her daughter's death, they also seemingly reached a fever pitch following the loss of her daughter. The stealing binges, spending, sexing, all her compulsive, high-risk behaviors clearly escalated at this point. And so another possible interpretation is that these may have signalled a downward spiral and her spinning out of control--which, if you stop to think about it, there was no way she could possibly get away w any of them since it was merely a matter of time before not only her daughter's disappearance but all of the brazen check cashing schemes (all for which she used her own ID I believe and some to which she even signed her own name, I mean come on) were discovered. Anyway I wrote at length a while back on psych thread that granted, there is nothing about Casey's reaction, in the aftermath of a negligence scenario that is remotely how any caring, rational, reasonable, responsible adult would respond. Yet at the same I still had to wonder, if you take an already immature, insecure, manipulative, narcissistic "unfit" mother (who's btw basically been begging all her life for some semblance of boundaries or limits on her outrageously bad behavior) PRIOR to June 16th; then imagine (it's not hard) like a self-fulfilling prophecy her negligence precipitates her child's death (resulting from poor supervision), compounded by an inability to reach the only ones she trusted in those critical minutes, coupled w increasing paranoia at being caught, I mean this might push someone even w/out fullblown personality disorder over the edge to something more manic or pathological, right? I don't know, maybe a break from reality? And I think I wrote too that no one, upon discovering their child in this lifeless condition and knowing they would never be the same, could themselves ever be the same. JMO
 
How long would she have to be dead for the dogs to hit on the sandbox???

It would help a lot to determine how long she left her there before she came back to get her body for disposal.

(I still don't get how the family dog would leave the sandbox alone and not scratch, dig, and smell at it if Caylee was in there!!! )

Well, maybe they don't take the dog to the backyard but walk him. Some dog owners do this instead. also it was very hot in orlando this summer and they would not have gone to the backyard just to hang out...
 
How long would she have to be dead for the dogs to hit on the sandbox???

It would help a lot to determine how long she left her there before she came back to get her body for disposal.

(I still don't get how the family dog would leave the sandbox alone and not scratch, dig, and smell at it if Caylee was in there!!! )

Someone posted information not to long ago showing that a cadaver dog will hit on a place where a freshly dead body has been for 10 minutes.

I don't believe Casey would have risked leaving Caylee's body any place on the Anthony property.
 
If I remember correctly we received a lot of rain around that time.
 
How long would she have to be dead for the dogs to hit on the sandbox???

It would help a lot to determine how long she left her there before she came back to get her body for disposal.

(I still don't get how the family dog would leave the sandbox alone and not scratch, dig, and smell at it if Caylee was in there!!! )

I posted this link and info on another earlier thread. Turns out cadaver dogs can pick up the scent of someone w/in minutes of the time of death (ie where gases have been forming as little as ten--and even two--minutes) with amazing accuracy, the success rate of which only slightly diminishes relative to the amount of time body is in contact w that location.

"One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out--of a line-up of six new carpet squares--the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation."

The next paragraphs naturally caused me to hope these highly trained dogs have continued to be heavily used in search efforts despite not seeing them recently--which doesn't mean they have not, or could not, continue to be used effectively. Amazing.

"But how good are dogs at detecting a skeleton from which all the flesh has fallen away? The anthropologist Keith Jacobi of the University of Alabama has investigated this at a police-dog training facility, where human remains ranging from fresh to skeletonised have been buried (the remains were bequeathed by donors).

In one study involving four dogs and their handlers, Jacobi says the dogs were able to detect remains at all stages of decomposition. Performance varied between dogs, but some could locate skeletonised remains buried in an area of 300ft by 150 ft. "The few single human vertebrae I used in the study were well over 25 years old, and dry bone," Jacobi says. "This made the discovery of one of these vertebrae, which we buried in dense woods 2 ft deep, by a cadaver dog--pretty remarkable."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...es-835047.html
 
It makes no sense to me that Casey would use a shovel to break a lock. It would be very awkward and clumsy, if not impossible. Why not borrow a hammer or screwdriver instead? I don't think she broke the lock, I think she broke the hasp, which, on one of those plastic sheds, could be done with a kitchen knife.

In ga's le report he says $50 damage to the lock and the shed two gas cans of gas $50/ she used it like a bat whack, thats why there is damage to the shed doors.
 
Here's my theory about what happened to Caylee:

I think Casey returned to the Anthony home after George left for work on the 16th, just like she had many other times. She got busy doing her own thing, chatting on the phone, texting, using the computer, ignoring Caylee.

Caylee ventured out to the pool, climbed up on the pool box, and in she went. Eventually Casey goes looking for her, she pulls the ladder over to the pool, clilmbs in, and pulls Caylee out. She lays Caylee's body next to the pool and attempts to perform CPR. When that fails, she panics. She tries repeatedly to call Cindy and George. When she can't reach them, she calms down a bit and realizes that she's going to be in huge trouble for not keeping a better watch on her daughter so she decides not to tell anyone what happened. She spies the sandbox with the lid and decides to hide Caylee in there while she figures out what to do next. Then she goes inside and changes into some dry clothes.

She then backs her car into the garage, grabs Caylee, and puts her lifeless body in the trunk, perhaps wrapping her in a beach towel or blanket that she grabbed from the house. She goes on with her life as if nothing happened except she's trying to decide what to do with the body which is starting to smell. After a couple days, she hit's on a solution, whether it was a dumpster, a body of water....who knows. She disposes of the body.

She spends the next 2 weeks avoiding Cindy and making excuses why Caylee is unavailable and why she can't bring the car home. The car is smelling worse and worse. She does some research on the internet and misinterprets the information she finds that says Chloroform cleans up DNA. Somehow she gets her hands on some Chloroform - or makes it herself which I doubt. Perhaps the Anthonys had chloroform for some reason and that's why she went to the house on the 24th when she wasn't expecting George to be home. She knows she can't drive the car if it's soaked in chloroform and she won't have a good answer as to why she won't drive her car so she parks it at Amscot. She opens the trunk and quickly douses the trunk with Chloroform. Eventually she calls Tony to pick her up. She can't let Tony put gas in the car so she tells him her dad will deal with the car later.

After 3 days, she decides the chloroform has probably dissipated so she asks Amy to take her to Target to buy a gas can so she can reclaim her car - notice she doesn't ask Tony. Too late, the car is gone.

She tells Tony that the car is in the shop and that her dad will soon be buying her another car - then she continues to go about her merry way. She has a few nightmares about Caylee but explains them to Tony as fears that he's going to leave her. Awwwww.

Cindy and George recover the car from the tow yard. Cindy finds Amy's number, finally finds Casey and goes after her. LE gets involved, Casey hasn't even bothered to think up a cover story, and the first thing she thinks to say is that Zanny took Caylee. Zanny has been Casey's cover story for months and no one has questioned it. Why not this time?

And we know the rest from here......


Go ahead, pick it apart.
 
Here's my theory about what happened to Caylee:

I think Casey returned to the Anthony home after George left for work on the 16th, just like she had many other times. She got busy doing her own thing, chatting on the phone, texting, using the computer, ignoring Caylee.

Caylee ventured out to the pool, climbed up on the pool box, and in she went. Eventually Casey goes looking for her, she pulls the ladder over to the pool, clilmbs in, and pulls Caylee out. She lays Caylee's body next to the pool and attempts to perform CPR. When that fails, she panics. She tries repeatedly to call Cindy and George. When she can't reach them, she calms down a bit and realizes that she's going to be in huge trouble for not keeping a better watch on her daughter so she decides not to tell anyone what happened. She spies the sandbox with the lid and decides to hide Caylee in there while she figures out what to do next. Then she goes inside and changes into some dry clothes.

She then backs her car into the garage, grabs Caylee, and puts her lifeless body in the trunk, perhaps wrapping her in a beach towel or blanket that she grabbed from the house. She goes on with her life as if nothing happened except she's trying to decide what to do with the body which is starting to smell. After a couple days, she hit's on a solution, whether it was a dumpster, a body of water....who knows. She disposes of the body.

She spends the next 2 weeks avoiding Cindy and making excuses why Caylee is unavailable and why she can't bring the car home. The car is smelling worse and worse. She does some research on the internet and misinterprets the information she finds that says Chloroform cleans up DNA. Somehow she gets her hands on some Chloroform - or makes it herself which I doubt. Perhaps the Anthonys had chloroform for some reason and that's why she went to the house on the 24th when she wasn't expecting George to be home. She knows she can't drive the car if it's soaked in chloroform and she won't have a good answer as to why she won't drive her car so she parks it at Amscot. She opens the trunk and quickly douses the trunk with Chloroform. Eventually she calls Tony to pick her up. She can't let Tony put gas in the car so she tells him her dad will deal with the car later.

After 3 days, she decides the chloroform has probably dissipated so she asks Amy to take her to Target to buy a gas can so she can reclaim her car - notice she doesn't ask Tony. Too late, the car is gone.

She tells Tony that the car is in the shop and that her dad will soon be buying her another car - then she continues to go about her merry way. She has a few nightmares about Caylee but explains them to Tony as fears that he's going to leave her. Awwwww.

Cindy and George recover the car from the tow yard. Cindy finds Amy's number, finally finds Casey and goes after her. LE gets involved, Casey hasn't even bothered to think up a cover story, and the first thing she thinks to say is that Zanny took Caylee. Zanny has been Casey's cover story for months and no one has questioned it. Why not this time?

And we know the rest from here......


Go ahead, pick it apart.

No need to pick--in other words you believe exactly as I've described all along, an accidental drowning in which chloroform if anything is used on trunk, not Caylee.
 
No need to pick-in other words you believe exactly as I've described from 'Day One,' an accidental drowning in which chloroform if anything is used on trunk not Caylee.

I wish we knew the date of the chloroform searches.

I think LE also believes in the drowning theory, but they're charging her with murder 1 in an attempt to scare her into confessing.
 
I wish we knew the date of the chloroform searches.

I think LE also believes in the drowning theory, but they're charging her with murder 1 in an attempt to scare her into confessing.

no. I think they believe she chloroformed her to knock her out and not have her scream or suffer when she drowned her in the pool. it seems mothers that kill their children prefer drowning...I believe she just wanted Caylee asleep...this is so disturbing to write
 
I wish we knew the date of the chloroform searches.

I think LE also believes in the drowning theory, but they're charging her with murder 1 in an attempt to scare her into confessing.

Yes it is certain this is why they've included lesser aggravated manslaughter. Ya' gotta wonder tho, whether she'll ever come up off this kidnap act. Afterall while it would go over better w LE, it is the only position in which she can nevertheless maintain a total 'innocent victim' status w CA. Otherwise it's obvious to me that anyone facing possible death, attempting to hide anything more than a negligence circumstance, would no doubt have feigned one. JMO
 
I posted this link and info on another earlier thread. Turns out cadaver dogs can pick up the scent of someone w/in minutes of the time of death (ie where gases have been forming as little as ten--and even two--minutes) with amazing accuracy, the success rate of which only slightly diminishes relative to the amount of time body is in contact w that location.

"One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out--of a line-up of six new carpet squares--the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation."

The next paragraphs naturally caused me to hope these highly trained dogs have continued to be heavily used in search efforts despite not seeing them recently--which doesn't mean they have not, or could not, continue to be used effectively. Amazing.

"But how good are dogs at detecting a skeleton from which all the flesh has fallen away? The anthropologist Keith Jacobi of the University of Alabama has investigated this at a police-dog training facility, where human remains ranging from fresh to skeletonised have been buried (the remains were bequeathed by donors).

In one study involving four dogs and their handlers, Jacobi says the dogs were able to detect remains at all stages of decomposition. Performance varied between dogs, but some could locate skeletonised remains buried in an area of 300ft by 150 ft. "The few single human vertebrae I used in the study were well over 25 years old, and dry bone," Jacobi says. "This made the discovery of one of these vertebrae, which we buried in dense woods 2 ft deep, by a cadaver dog--pretty remarkable."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...es-835047.html

As you know California is burning. There was a mobile home park in Sylmar with 500 homes that burned and many people unaccounted for. The police were ONLY waiting for the ground to cool off to take in the cadaver dogs to find any remains. I was surprised because I didnt know the dogs would be able to hit on someone who was burned completely. Last I heard, they had'nt found anyone. Pray for us out here. My parents are still surrounded!
 
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I think LE also believes in the drowning theory, but they're charging her with murder 1 in an attempt to scare her into confessing.

The murder charge is not a feint to get Casey to confess. It would be an extreme abuse of the governmental powers of the Office of the State's Attorney to charge a crime the State's Attorney did not believe was supported by admissable evidence. Such misconduct could be the subject of a State Bar Board complaint and hearing and could result in disbarment. No. The Office of the State's Attorney charged what they have a good faith belief comports with the true nature of this case and what they believe they can prove. They also sent it to the Grand Jury for the indictment. The Grand Jury findings supported the offenses charged. This is no rouse.
 
no. I think they believe she chloroformed her to knock her out and not have her scream or suffer when she drowned her in the pool. it seems mothers that kill their children prefer drowning...I believe she just wanted Caylee asleep...this is so disturbing to write

Why not just leave Caylee w her parents then. Dust her hands, and be thru w it. Nothing in her history that indicates abuse of any sort--reports rather by her friends to the contrary. And I've said this so many times, it wouldn't even be necessary to "chloroform" or sedate a child as young as two in order to drown them--if this was the "plan," for a child drawn to water (as Caylee was) it would have been as simple as attaching the ladder. JMO
 
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