In the picture I remember seeing, the plunger and the needle were still attached.
moo
Researching chloroform as an injectable...
In the picture I remember seeing, the plunger and the needle were still attached.
moo
OK, I'm following this, but after Caylee drowns in the pool (and sinks to the bottom) she then dives into the pool and retrieves the dead body? I have never tried it, but I imagine retrieving a 40 lb. dead weight from the bottom of the pool must have been a struggle for KC. She appears to be petite and I have no idea of her diving skills and strength. And then after she retrieves her she maneuvers down the pool ladder with a lifeless Caylee in tow?
OK, I'm following this, but after Caylee drowns in the pool (and sinks to the bottom) she then dives into the pool and retrieves the dead body? I have never tried it, but I imagine retrieving a 40 lb. dead weight from the bottom of the pool must have been a struggle for KC. She appears to be petite and I have no idea of her diving skills and strength. And then after she retrieves her she maneuvers down the pool ladder with a lifeless Caylee in tow?
That is why I said I still had a few kinks in my theory. I am not at all attached
to that part of my theory. I really do not know what happened to Caylee for sure. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt I suppose by making it somehwat accidental.
What Time to you think Casey killed Caylee and what day?
I can't buy that Caylee drowned and then the duct tape was applied. Even if she did drown and ICA could somehow get her out of the pool, the tape wouldn't stick on a wet face.
ICA doesn't seem like the type to carefully dry the baby's face in order to apply tape.
Sorry to say, I think either Caylee was sedated, then taped, or the tape was simply the murder weapon as JA seems to think. Wrists taped in back first, then tape across the face.
It's been hard for me to get my brain around someone killing her own baby in any way - harder, yet, to imagine looking down and putting that tape on as JA described.
But I think that's what ICA did. I don't give her any leeway any more. She wanted Caylee gone, and she used the weapon at hand. As Dr G , I think, said - it was never meant to be taken off. She was shutting Caylee up for good.
I also think she did it in her home where the duct tape and stickers were handy. ICA is not bright enough to make a careful plan...obviously.
I am convinced we can speculate forever and listen to testimony over and over, but we'll never know just how poor little Caylee died. I don't think I want to know. I just want ICA to pay for what she did. DP or LWOP - either would be fine with me, and I have always been against the DP. ICA's actions changed my mind - at least in her case.
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All this talk about Casey being a good mother doesn't really surprise me. I personally know two different women with Borderline Personality Disorder. I have studied BPD (just for fun and due to the fact that I have had to interact with BPD people) But I do see many bystanders on the outside looking in totally and completely fall for the act. BPD people imitate what they think looks normal. They are good at it. The truth is that they are selfish. The only reason they act like good mothers is because it benefits them when people look up to them and give them attention or accolades for it.
I am not a doctor so I am not saying Casey has BPD, but possibly something similiar to it.
So with that being said, what I think happened is that Caseys relationship with Caylee was not benefiting Casey at the moment so she took care of it. She thought staging a kidnapping would benefit her because she would get attention and people would be so distraught and busy searching that they wouldn't bother to keep questioning her about the suspicious facts and details.
From what I know about the BPD friends I have, I am guessing that at this moment Casey doesn't have any remorse for killing her daughter. She just felt it was something she had to do. Not her fault, in Caseyworld it just had to be done. After all, everybody lies, everybody dies, right?
Also, I don't think that KC did anything particularly nefarious with the shovel. (It had nothing of forensic value to offer.) The pool does figure into this somehow. Maybe she tossed something in there that grossed her out and fished it out with shovel?
moo
I personally don't buy the swimming pool accident theory. ICA had to know Caylee couldn't swim, why would she leave her out there alone? Even in a negligent moment I just can't wrap my mind around it...
Didn't GA have a shovel or shovels? What was the urgency in going to the neighbor? I don't buy the bamboo shoot story...
I CAN believe that she used the duct tape as a murder weapon but I guess I don't want to. My heart keeps wanting to believe it was a very negligent, even somewhat malicious accident. But on the other hand there are some videos which show us her flashes of seething anger.
I think it is the timeline that hinders me. IF it could be shown there was a very heated argument on the night of 15th, and she was threatened by her mom with a custody battle, I can easily see her lashing out at little Caylee late that night in anger. If caylee was whining and crying for Grandma that night, while Casey was trying to flee the house with her, I could easily see her duct taping the child's mouth angrily.
But it is harder for me to see her doing that on the 16th in the light of day, after things had calmed down. I guess it is just easier to see her just being lazy and negligent and playing on FB and ignoring Caylee. If she dies under those circs then I can see her doing the sloppy cover up.
totally not snark but ?? After supposed fight (which I am really interested to see if any testimony on that enters this proceeding), the phone calls begging mom or dad to sit that night. There is a poster (sorry, don't recall the name) who has a timeline on all the cel phone pings from that day. Repeated phone calls to mom and dad, supposedly requesting they sit, I mean phone calls literally every other minute.
I can easily see a distracted ICA, stepping inside to lie to someone's voice mail, remember - Caylee was becoming quite verbal, can't have her overhearing the lies we are spinning lately, - pacing the house, trying so hard to find someone, any one to take the child so she could have time with her newest anticipated conquest.
You can't see a moment of inattention of self involved distraction, with this person?
Again, not trying to be argumentative, but I totally can.
I CAN believe that she used the duct tape as a murder weapon but I guess I don't want to. My heart keeps wanting to believe it was a very negligent, even somewhat malicious accident. But on the other hand there are some videos which show us her flashes of seething anger.
I think it is the timeline that hinders me. IF it could be shown there was a very heated argument on the night of 15th, and she was threatened by her mom with a custody battle, I can easily see her lashing out at little Caylee late that night in anger. If caylee was whining and crying for Grandma that night, while Casey was trying to flee the house with her, I could easily see her duct taping the child's mouth angrily.
But it is harder for me to see her doing that on the 16th in the light of day, after things had calmed down. I guess it is just easier to see her just being lazy and negligent and playing on FB and ignoring Caylee. If she dies under those circs then I can see her doing the sloppy cover up.