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Something is definitely wrong here. I'm beginning to think that Ron Cummings knows or has a good idea who took Haleigh and maybe even the family knows. Misty's story changes and makes no sense no matter which story she tells. If she left the house and Haleigh was kidnapped, why isn't Ron FURIOUS with her and why is he still with her? Ron says "This is not 'property'" to the person that has Haleigh "This is blood."

Good observations.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

In an interview, Cummings says "I know someone took my little girl. A sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it's all over. I'd give my life for my child's life back. I do plan to take the trash out when it's time.

Sounds like Ron is giving coded messages through the media to the drug dealers who he assumes took his kid in exchange for a drug debt OR to the RSO who lived in the trailer right before him.

I think he's between a rock and a hard place.
 
Good observations.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

In an interview, Cummings says "I know someone took my little girl. A sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it's all over. I'd give my life for my child's life back. I do plan to take the trash out when it's time.

Sounds like Ron is giving coded messages through the media to the drug dealers who he assumes took his kid in exchange for a drug debt OR to the RSO who lived in the trailer right before him.

I think he's between a rock and a hard place.

It is a sorry piece of trash that takes any child!
 
maybe there was something in the dumpster but it was moved after the interview and the 911 call was released. Maybe that comment freaked the person out...just a thought
 
Good observations.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

In an interview, Cummings says "I know someone took my little girl. A sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it's all over. I'd give my life for my child's life back. I do plan to take the trash out when it's time.

Sounds like Ron is giving coded messages through the media to the drug dealers who he assumes took his kid in exchange for a drug debt OR to the RSO who lived in the trailer right before him.

I think he's between a rock and a hard place.

If that's the case... He really better be prepared for it. No joke. Not just a lot of huffing and puffing... tearing off his shirt in the parking lot of a 7-11 to kick someone's *advertiser censored**... This is an internationally known case now.

He really should tell what he knows at this point... if he really does know something. Let the chips fall... for the sake of his daughter.
 
The more I keep reading it that comment is really wierd now that the dogs hit on the dumpster. I wonder if LE has put the two together?
 
P.S. I love the 7-11 analogy...:)

Lol.. I'm sorry.. it's the only thing that could come to mind. I had to chuckle at myself over it.. hehe.

I hate it when I see those dorks do that outside the gas station to be macho and sh*^... they just look moronic.

My point is that ol boy better be prepared if he's gonna tear *advertiser censored** after some person that he thinks took his kid. He really needs to come clean and tell LE what he knows or thinks he knows. It's as simple as that.
 
The more I keep reading it that comment is really wierd now that the dogs hit on the dumpster. I wonder if LE has put the two together?


I really don't know... JMO... I guess the dumpster turned up to be nothing... but I'm thinking LE has a lot more info than the general public... way tons more.
 
He did give LE a piece of paper containing notes he'd been taking. That was the day after the GR show...when they took him and Chad in separately. At least that was what the news reported
 
I really don't know... JMO... I guess the dumpster turned up to be nothing... but I'm thinking LE has a lot more info than the general public... way tons more.

Most definitely...they have known these family for a long time...some of them probably by first name. You know how small towns are...nothing goes un-noticed. :)
 
Most definitely...they have known these family for a long time...some of them probably by first name. You know how small towns are...nothing goes un-noticed. :)

Agreed :)


Reminds me of Tommy Lee Jones in No Country for Old Men... His monologue in the beginning.
 
Good morning to all my fellow websleuthers. I again laid in bed and ran all the different theories through my head last night as I was trying to fall asleep (works very well for me).

I can honestly say, without any doubt, that every theory that I've heard put forth are all within the realm of possibility. Not one single WSer has put forth a theory that does not make sense. I have looked at each theory and suspended my emotions and I can't find a single one that wouldn't be possible if the right circumstances were there. Since we don't have the facts from LE, there is no way to verify any circumstances.

Here is what I thought to myself FWIW, all of the theories are possible. But which theory is the most probable?

Given what we've seen on here, read in books and watched on TV about these type of cases as we watch from the beginning to resolution (5 yr old child missing~child is found)
what is the most probable explanation of what happened that night?

I have one idea but I was hoping that someone would come along here and share with me what they think is the most probable reason that Haleigh went missing in the middle of the night and has not been seen for almost 3 weeks? TIA

ETA: I forgot to put what I, myself, thought is most probable...someone who either lives in that house/or is a constant guest knows what happened. Most probable in my mind is the last person to see her.
 
I am leaning toward Haleigh's disappearance being a scam or hoax. This K. Savage in Arizona seemed to have gotten her helpfindhaleigh.com donation site up and running fairly quickly. She had older pics of Ronald and Haleigh brushing their teeth. She had extremely recent pics of Ronald picking Haleigh up from the bus stop with what I believe is the pink Hannah Montana shirt on. Who was taking these pictures and when were they taken? The bus driver would know. More importantly, why were these pics even taken? I never had pictures of my child taken at a bus stop. Even if these pics were taken the first day of school, Haleigh still had that pink shirt on and a pink shirt was what she was at first reported as wearing to bed that night. I think Misty and Ronald knew that Haleigh had not had that shirt on after all and Misty had to point it out when LE escorted her to the house. LE probably already knew that shirt was still in the house. They (Ronald & Misty) wanted it to be this shirt Haleigh was wearing because they already had pics of her in it. Does this K. Savage know anyone in either family? I believe she will be found to have a tie with one or both of the two families.

Too many things just do not add up here. The first time I heard that 911 call I immediately thought that Ronald was faking it all. I know the majority of you do not think so, and that is fine, but it is my opinion that he was. Ronald immediately assumed a guy had taken Haleigh and threatened to kill the guy and stated he would not be afraid to spend the rest of his life in prison for it. He spent more time saying all of this than it would have taken to be patient with the 911 dispatcher and answer her questions. It is almost as if he thought the Sheriff's Office would immediately find this person and he would 'shoot' him. His anger was over the top and his crying forced and seemed fake to me.

Who is this A/C guy? It was 57 degrees the day or night Haleigh came up missing. Was he working on the heat pump? Now if the A/C heat pump and condenser was located on the right side of the house, wouldn't it have been closer for him to have come in the front door to have checked the thermostat? I am thinking that even if he came and went through the back door, he would not have propped the screen open. I have never had a repairman who felt he could get a strange cinder block and prop my door open. I want to know who this guy is and if he has taken a polygraph.

The phone records will almost tell the tale. I would hope that LE has gotten the phone records from both sides of the family. I am inclined to think that there was no landline home phone. I do not buy the story that MC was calling Ronald as he drove in the driveway. There is also only one cell phone number listed on the initial incident report. If Misty had a cell number why was it listed as Ronald's cell number?

Ronald was at work. Fine. That is his alibi and was checked out by LE. However, that is all we know. We do not know his actual work hours.

I honestly believe that this was all planned. Ronald was to go to work as usual. Misty was to clean the trailer really well. She was to report that Haleigh went to bed in the pink Hannah Montana shirt. There were very recent great pictures of her in that shirt that could be used in the media.

We have Crystal and her mother Marie not terribly emotional when we see them. Marie believes Haleigh could be in Florida or Alabama as she has stated on Nancy G. She seems almost confident that Haleigh is alive and well. Crystal is $4,100 in arrears in her child support and that total keeps growing. She knows that is all going to come to a head sooner or later whether little Haleigh is located or not. Supposedly she and Ronald got letters the day before Haleigh came up missing of notice of a hearing for contempt of court. That usually means going to jail if you cannot immediately comply and pay.

So I say that Haleigh was not abducted by a stranger or an RSO. These are just conveinient 'fall guys'. They would be the obvious suspects. What I am thinking is that Ronald and Crystal planned this to be fashioned after the Caylee case for the notariety and donations that would follow. Crystal could have talked with Ronald and told him there was no way she could come up with the money that was owed to him as child support. And this Amber Alert came up on WS as Caylee's Memorial Service was in progress. I had immediately gone to that thread and might have been the 4th or 5th poster on it.

LE cannot clear anyone on either side of the family in this. That says a lot. People on both sides of Haleighs family have a propensity to disregard the law. I do not believe or trust any of them. LE cannot work from an emotional point of view. We tend to take sides and are emotional as to who we believe and do not believe. I have yet to see any reason for me to believe either side.

Bottom line is that I honestly believe that the reported abduction is an elaborate hoax, and I further believe that both Ronald and Crystal know what really happened to Haleigh. Whatever LE suspects has happened here is something they have no concrete proof of or there would be an arrest or arrests. They cannot arrest or indite without evidence and proof as we all know. I believe the FBI will be the ones to solve this case.

Sorry this is so long. This is my theory - a big hoax.
 
Good morning to all my fellow websleuthers. I again laid in bed and ran all the different theories through my head last night as I was trying to fall asleep (works very well for me).

I can honestly say, without any doubt, that every theory that I've heard put forth are all within the realm of possibility. Not one single WSer has put forth a theory that does not make sense. I have looked at each theory and suspended my emotions and I can't find a single one that wouldn't be possible if the right circumstances were there. Since we don't have the facts from LE, there is no way to verify any circumstances.

Here is what I thought to myself FWIW, all of the theories are possible. But which theory is the most probable?

Given what we've seen on here, read in books and watched on TV about these type of cases as we watch from the beginning to resolution (5 yr old child missing~child is found)
what is the most probable explanation of what happened that night?

I have one idea but I was hoping that someone would come along here and share with me what they think is the most probable reason that Haleigh went missing in the middle of the night and has not been seen for almost 3 weeks? TIA

ETA: I forgot to put what I, myself, thought is most probable...someone who either lives in that house/or is a constant guest knows what happened. Most probable in my mind is the last person to see her.

Well, Kat, here goes...According to Florida statistics on missing/adbducted children, in 99.9% of all cases the offender turns out to be a family member.

Using statement analysis(this is important,because I don't want anyone to think I'm victim bashing) and taking into consideration Misty's story changes, inordinate amount of detail regarding blankets and wetting--then adding that to Ron's statements which indicate that he believes Haleigh is deceased--I come up with what I feel is the most likely scenario and unfortunately one of the most common: Haleigh was accidentally killed due to anger about bedwetting and that either Ron or Misty is responsible.

I don't believe that Misty is physcially capable of hiding Haleigh where she wouldn't have been discovered by now. Nor do I believe that Ron would cover for Misty or stick by her after her story changes.

That leaves me with the scenario that Haleigh's death was caused by a rage incident brought on by bedwetting and that Misty is helping to cover it up.
 
Good morning to all my fellow websleuthers. I again laid in bed and ran all the different theories through my head last night as I was trying to fall asleep (works very well for me).

I can honestly say, without any doubt, that every theory that I've heard put forth are all within the realm of possibility. Not one single WSer has put forth a theory that does not make sense. I have looked at each theory and suspended my emotions and I can't find a single one that wouldn't be possible if the right circumstances were there. Since we don't have the facts from LE, there is no way to verify any circumstances.

Here is what I thought to myself FWIW, all of the theories are possible. But which theory is the most probable?

Given what we've seen on here, read in books and watched on TV about these type of cases as we watch from the beginning to resolution (5 yr old child missing~child is found)
what is the most probable explanation of what happened that night?

I have one idea but I was hoping that someone would come along here and share with me what they think is the most probable reason that Haleigh went missing in the middle of the night and has not been seen for almost 3 weeks? TIA

ETA: I forgot to put what I, myself, thought is most probable...someone who either lives in that house/or is a constant guest knows what happened. Most probable in my mind is the last person to see her.

I would have to agree with you about the most probable scenario. Of course there are the rare cases when the most probable and most simple explanation is wrong.
 
Well, Kat, here goes...According to Florida statistics on missing/adbducted children, in 99.9% of all cases the offender turns out to be a family member.

Using statement analysis(this is important,because I don't want anyone to think I'm victim bashing) and taking into consideration Misty's story changes, inordinate amount of detail regarding blankets and wetting--then adding that to Ron's statements which indicate that he believes Haleigh is deceased--I come up with what I feel is the most likely scenario and unfortunately one of the most common: Haleigh was accidentally killed due to anger about bedwetting and that either Ron or Misty is responsible.

I don't believe that Misty is physcially capable of hiding Haleigh where she wouldn't have been discovered by now. Nor do I believe that Ron would cover for Misty or stick by her after her story changes.

That leaves me with the scenario that Haleigh's death was caused by a rage incident brought on by bedwetting and that Misty is helping to cover it up.

this sounds about right to me, with one caveat; she could have received an accidental overdose if meds were given to aid in her sleeping or getting into a reg sleep schedule. Whatever the way in which it happened it left no blood evidence. Bodily fluids on blankets would be my guess as to the only evidence left - which would be why they were all washed that night.
 
I am leaning toward Haleigh's disappearance being a scam or hoax. This K. Savage in Arizona seemed to have gotten her helpfindhaleigh.com donation site up and running fairly quickly. She had older pics of Ronald and Haleigh brushing their teeth. She had extremely recent pics of Ronald picking Haleigh up from the bus stop with what I believe is the pink Hannah Montana shirt on. Who was taking these pictures and when were they taken? The bus driver would know. More importantly, why were these pics even taken? I never had pictures of my child taken at a bus stop. Even if these pics were taken the first day of school, Haleigh still had that pink shirt on and a pink shirt was what she was at first reported as wearing to bed that night. I think Misty and Ronald knew that Haleigh had not had that shirt on after all and Misty had to point it out when LE escorted her to the house. LE probably already knew that shirt was still in the house. They (Ronald & Misty) wanted it to be this shirt Haleigh was wearing because they already had pics of her in it. Does this K. Savage know anyone in either family? I believe she will be found to have a tie with one or both of the two families.

Too many things just do not add up here. The first time I heard that 911 call I immediately thought that Ronald was faking it all. I know the majority of you do not think so, and that is fine, but it is my opinion that he was. Ronald immediately assumed a guy had taken Haleigh and threatened to kill the guy and stated he would not be afraid to spend the rest of his life in prison for it. He spent more time saying all of this than it would have taken to be patient with the 911 dispatcher and answer her questions. It is almost as if he thought the Sheriff's Office would immediately find this person and he would 'shoot' him. His anger was over the top and his crying forced and seemed fake to me.

Who is this A/C guy? It was 57 degrees the day or night Haleigh came up missing. Was he working on the heat pump? Now if the A/C heat pump and condenser was located on the right side of the house, wouldn't it have been closer for him to have come in the front door to have checked the thermostat? I am thinking that even if he came and went through the back door, he would not have propped the screen open. I have never had a repairman who felt he could get a strange cinder block and prop my door open. I want to know who this guy is and if he has taken a polygraph.

The phone records will almost tell the tale. I would hope that LE has gotten the phone records from both sides of the family. I am inclined to think that there was no landline home phone. I do not buy the story that MC was calling Ronald as he drove in the driveway. There is also only one cell phone number listed on the initial incident report. If Misty had a cell number why was it listed as Ronald's cell number?

Ronald was at work. Fine. That is his alibi and was checked out by LE. However, that is all we know. We do not know his actual work hours.

I honestly believe that this was all planned. Ronald was to go to work as usual. Misty was to clean the trailer really well. She was to report that Haleigh went to bed in the pink Hannah Montana shirt. There were very recent great pictures of her in that shirt that could be used in the media.

We have Crystal and her mother Marie not terribly emotional when we see them. Marie believes Haleigh could be in Florida or Alabama as she has stated on Nancy G. She seems almost confident that Haleigh is alive and well. Crystal is $4,100 in arrears in her child support and that total keeps growing. She knows that is all going to come to a head sooner or later whether little Haleigh is located or not. Supposedly she and Ronald got letters the day before Haleigh came up missing of notice of a hearing for contempt of court. That usually means going to jail if you cannot immediately comply and pay.

So I say that Haleigh was not abducted by a stranger or an RSO. These are just conveinient 'fall guys'. They would be the obvious suspects. What I am thinking is that Ronald and Crystal planned this to be fashioned after the Caylee case for the notariety and donations that would follow. Crystal could have talked with Ronald and told him there was no way she could come up with the money that was owed to him as child support. And this Amber Alert came up on WS as Caylee's Memorial Service was in progress. I had immediately gone to that thread and might have been the 4th or 5th poster on it.

LE cannot clear anyone on either side of the family in this. That says a lot. People on both sides of Haleighs family have a propensity to disregard the law. I do not believe or trust any of them. LE cannot work from an emotional point of view. We tend to take sides and are emotional as to who we believe and do not believe. I have yet to see any reason for me to believe either side.

Bottom line is that I honestly believe that the reported abduction is an elaborate hoax, and I further believe that both Ronald and Crystal know what really happened to Haleigh. Whatever LE suspects has happened here is something they have no concrete proof of or there would be an arrest or arrests. They cannot arrest or indite without evidence and proof as we all know. I believe the FBI will be the ones to solve this case.

Sorry this is so long. This is my theory - a big hoax.

Do you think she is safe?
 
Well, Kat, here goes...According to Florida statistics on missing/adbducted children, in 99.9% of all cases the offender turns out to be a family member.

Using statement analysis(this is important,because I don't want anyone to think I'm victim bashing) and taking into consideration Misty's story changes, inordinate amount of detail regarding blankets and wetting--then adding that to Ron's statements which indicate that he believes Haleigh is deceased--I come up with what I feel is the most likely scenario and unfortunately one of the most common: Haleigh was accidentally killed due to anger about bedwetting and that either Ron or Misty is responsible.

I don't believe that Misty is physcially capable of hiding Haleigh where she wouldn't have been discovered by now. Nor do I believe that Ron would cover for Misty or stick by her after her story changes.

That leaves me with the scenario that Haleigh's death was caused by a rage incident brought on by bedwetting and that Misty is helping to cover it up.

Well Ron would be left out as Haliegh was seen at 7pm on the night she vanished, Ron was at work until 3 am , he didn't kill Haliegh.
 
Well Ron would be left out as Haliegh was seen at 7pm on the night she vanished, Ron was at work until 3 am , he didn't kill Haliegh.

Recently when Capt. Dick S. was interviewed (I'll try to find the transcript) he was asked why LE hasn't cleared Ron when they know his alibi is solid. The Capt. replied that nobody is cleared because "We don't know when this happened."


Found link to transcript (thanks, Kat)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

ETA: With what we know it does seem to be a very slim time frame.
 
Well Ron would be left out as Haliegh was seen at 7pm on the night she vanished, Ron was at work until 3 am , he didn't kill Haliegh.

Haleigh was "seen" by family members. Wish we had a independent sighting, like the AC guy. Wonder if he said he saw her?
 
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