Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023

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Interested_But_Confused said:
It's a question of which components are mission critical.

On a sub like this, IMO only a few things are truly crucial: ability of the sub to withstand the pressure, ability of the sub to maintain an atmosphere compatible with life, ability of the sub to resurface in the event of problems, and ability of the sub to contact help in the event of problems.

The failure of a simple controller or touch-screen computer, no matter how cheap, shouldn't be mission critical. And if those things are mission critical, IMO there are much bigger problems with the design of the sub than a Logitech controller. In the past, other subs have lost all power and been left in complete darkness with no ability to do anything or contact anyone. But the redundant surfacing mechanisms worked perfectly and the subs floated back up unharmed.

Assuming Titan hasn't resurfaced somewhere, my gut tells me there was a catastrophic failure and the crew were already lost before anyone at the surface even knew there was a problem.
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^post of the day IMO
 
Telltale said:
Haven't seen this posted, apologies if I've missed it. There is an interview with the CEO when they were building it 6 years back.

CEO: "I think when we're done testing it, it'll be pretty much invulnerable"

Reporter: "You know that's pretty much what they said about the Titanic"

CEO: "That's right... haha... And I'll go on all the first dives, put my money where my mouth is."


... Yeah I'm not one for superstitions but good grief.

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Then there is also this article from 2022 written by a reporter who went down in the sub, it's not... reassuring reading. Some quotes:

If all went well, I would be spending about 12 hours sealed inside on a dive to the Titanic. Not gonna lie; I was a little nervous, especially given the paperwork, which read, "This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, emotional trauma, or death." Where do I sign?

This is not your grandfather's submersible; inside, the sub has about as much room as a minivan. It has one button. "That's it," said Rush. "It should be like an elevator, you know? It shouldn't take a lot of skill."

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And yet, I couldn't help noticing how many pieces of this sub seemed improvised, with off-the-shelf components. Piloting the craft is run with a video game controller. Pogue said, "It seems like this submersible has some elements of MacGyver jerry-riggedness. I mean, you're putting construction pipes as ballast."

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Our dive in the OceanGate submersible had made it down only 37 feet when floats came off the platform. And that wasn't supposed to happen. The mission was scrubbed.

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There's no GPS underwater, so the surface ship is supposed to guide the sub to the shipwreck by sending text messages. Rush recalled, "I said, 'Do you know where we are?' '100 meters to the bow, then 470 to the bow. If you are lost, so are we!"

The submersible is guided to the shipwreck by way of text messaging directions. But on this dive, communications somehow broke down. The sub never found the wreck. "We were lost," said Shrenik Baldota. "We were lost for two-and-a-half hours.
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”Invulnerable Sub Suffers Catastrophic Failure Attempting to Sightsee Unsinkable Ship That Sunk”.

Sad headline.
 
iamshadow21 said:
The problem is, you buy a basic medication, you buy an electrical appliance, it comes with warnings about how it can kill you. We're used to seeing 'may cause death' on things that are tested again and again before being released to the market. So when we see it, and the risk is real, how are we meant to know the difference? Especially when the man selling it to us tells us "it's unsinkable, I'm going along on this dive myself?" We assume that behind that man, unseen, are a whole lot of folks who have done their due diligence to meet some standard, to ensure safety, because that's what happens in every other aspect of our lives.

MOO
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I still think common sense plays a part, and no matter what anyone tells us, we can use our common sense to weigh something up for ourselves, and I personally would feel way happier about taking a medication that thousands of other people take relatively safely, than I would sealing myself in a tiny tin can, controlled by a PlayStation controller, and getting myself dropped to the bottom of the ocean. There's a reason people can't go down there!. Sure, I could die either way, but the odds for Titan have meds beat hands down in my opinion :)
 
JerseyGirl said:
abcnews.go.com

Missing Titanic submersible live updates: Texts show OceanGate CEO dismissed concerns

Live updates on the search for the missing Titanic tourist submersible.
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At the request of French President Emmanuel Macron, a French ship named Atalante is diverting to the area of the missing submissive and should reach the area Wednesday night.

The ship has an exploration robot that can dive up to 4,000 meters, according to a spokesman for France's Ifremer Institute.
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Found it on marine maps:

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Ship ATALANTE (Research/Survey Vessel) Registered in France - Vessel details, Current position and Voyage information - IMO 8716071, MMSI 227222000, Call Sign FNCM

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neesaki said:
Isn’t it in International waters? I don’t see how the U.S. could block them? But I don’t know much, so there’s that.
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It is in international waters, however the wreck itself is protected by a bilateral agreement.
en.wikipedia.org

Agreement Concerning the Shipwrecked Vessel RMS Titanic - Wikipedia

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From Wikipedia: The treaty requires both the United Kingdom and the United States to regulate persons and vessels under their respective jurisdictions in their interactions with the wreck. Specifically, both countries can grant or deny licenses to permit entry into the shipwreck or to remove items from it.

Full text of the agreement:

Agreement Concerning the Shipwrecked Vessel RMS Titanic - Wikisource, the free online library

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Disclaimers: IANAL MOO YMMV
 
Mother ship Polar Prince location:

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Ship POLAR PRINCE (Tender) Registered in Canada - Vessel details, Current position and Voyage information - IMO 5329566, MMSI 316006460, Call Sign CFK9552

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Rolypolyoly said:
I still think common sense plays a part, and no matter what anyone tells us, we can use our common sense to weigh something up for ourselves, and I personally would feel way happier about taking a medication that thousands of other people take relatively safely, than I would sealing myself in a tiny tin can, controlled by a PlayStation controller, and getting myself dropped to the bottom of the ocean. There's a reason people can't go down there!. Sure, I could die either way, but the odds for Titan have meds beat hands down in my opinion :)
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Oh, I am with you there. I think there was also a fair amount of, "well, I just gave these folks a whack of money, so I'm not walking away even though I would if there was no money involved without hesitation". I know these folks were mostly of the millionaire/billionaire variety, but the way rich people stay rich is by not walking away from their money without reward.

MOO
 
www.nbcnews.com

Highlights from Day One as the search for the missing Titanic submersible continues

Coverage on this live blog has ended. Please click here for the latest updates.
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The desperate search for a missing submersible that vanished during a mission to explore the wreck of the Titanic continued Tuesday as more information about those onboard came to light.

The submersible, which is part of an OceanGate Expeditions tour that offers passengers a once-in-a-lifetime experience to explore the Titanic wreckage, went missing Sunday after losing contact with the research vessel Polar Prince.

British billionaire and owner of Action Aviation Hamish Harding was among the five people onboard the vessel, along with prominent Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son, Suleman. The other two people onboard have yet to be identified...
 
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Who is onboard the missing Titanic submersible: What to know about the crew

British billionaire and adventurer Hamish Harding was among the five people on the vessel, along with prominent Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son.
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They set off hoping for a rare glimpse of a storied wreck, but now find themselves at the center of their own dramatic tale at sea.

A British billionaire and a prominent Pakistani businessman and his son are among the five people facing a race to be rescued onboard a submersible with a rapidly dwindling air supply in the North Atlantic. The other two people onboard have yet to be identified.

The vessel went missing on Sunday during a dive to explore the wreck of the Titanic, part of a tour offering explorers the opportunity to see the site up close for a significant sum. The submersible, called Titan, was on only its third trip since OceanGate Expeditions began offering them in 2021...
 
Pipe layer ship, Deep Energy, as of June 12 position:

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