TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #7

[Oriah]

It IS mind-boggling, I agree. Or someone is incredibly certain that no one involved would incriminate? Or extremely certain of their own innocence in relation to any crime that may have occurred?

Or perhaps a PI working different angles, for different reasons? Hmm.

Perplexed.

 

[confused]

It IS mind-boggling, I agree. Or someone is incredibly certain that no one involved would incriminate? Or extremely certain of their own innocence in relation to any crime that may have occurred?

Or perhaps a PI working different angles, for different reasons? Hmm.

Perplexed.

That's an interesting idea, would you mind elaborating on what you mean here?

 

[Some1Nose]

I've been pondering an idea for a day or so, now...here goes, what do you think?

What if after having left her children at the SM home, and leaving the SM home around 12:15 pm per SB, GP drove down the W road (reportedly the closest road to the SM home to exit the mountain) toward MP's mother's home (where MP had reportedly been, around that time), and MP was headed up the W road...(either planned or not)...they may have both been upset, he may have been drinking already that day, he may have exhibited road rage and somehow her vehicle went careening off the mountain, hidden by foliage.

He keeps driving up the mountain, arriving at the SM home approximately 10 minutes after GP left the home according to SB.

Under those circumstances, it would look like an unfortunate accident should they ever find her vehicle at the bottom of the mountain and using the "accident" scenario, why would MP be reluctant to hire a PI, etc.?

The thought has also crossed my mind, more than once, that she did in fact have a legitimate accident on the mountain. There have been other cases whereby people have vanished for days, weeks, months, etc and were considered victims of foul play when in reality, their vehicles and remains were hidden by natural vegetation and other sight obstructions so that finding the accident scene was extremely difficult.

Which leads me to....why haven't there been more official searches all along the sides/bottoms off the SM roads? And cell phone records could prove to be invaluable...not so sure the mobile phone companies keep from purging them for an indefinite period of time?! Did her cell phone have GPS tracking capabilities?

Just my thoughts....have followed this case from nearly the beginning and thought this was one case with all of the information available that was sure to be solved relatively quickly!

Lawyering up should not prevent the LE from performing their job as protectors of all citizens, and should not prevent the courts from representing the rights of those who cannot speak for themself!

Want to add....I agree with many of you that AD is a true friend....you go girl! We need more like her!

*A side-note: On the 4th of July, I saw a balloon go sailing by on air currents high above and couldn't help but wonder if it was one of the Balloons of Hope released for GP!

Thanks for reading my long-winded thoughts, I've been holding them in for quite awhile! :crazy:
JMO

 

[Oriah]

That's an interesting idea, would you mind elaborating on what you mean here?

Hi confused,

I'm confused, lol!
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is that with two PI's hired by two separate individuals (who are spouses), to sort out grounds for divorce and the like... would they not first be checking out the opposite PI? Does that make any sense? :waitasec:

 

[confused]

What if after having left her children at the SM home, and leaving the SM home around 12:15 pm per SB, GP drove down the W road (reportedly the closest road to the SM home to exit the mountain) toward MP's mother's home (where MP had reportedly been, around that time), and MP was headed up the W road...(either planned or not)...they may have both been upset, he may have been drinking already that day, he may have exhibited road rage and somehow her vehicle went careening off the mountain, hidden by foliage.

snipped and bbm

I would think if this happened, someone else would have seen something or at the least Matt's car would have some sort of damage. I do think that Gail could have been very upset and had an accident. You are correct that with the foliage this time of year, it could be hard to find her if that is the case.

 

[BeanE]

Hi confused,

I'm confused, lol!
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is that with two PI's hired by two separate individuals (who are spouses), to sort out grounds for divorce and the like... would they not first be checking out the opposite PI? Does that make any sense? :waitasec:

Gail hired a PI, for the divorce, several weeks before she went missing.

Matt hired his PI, several days after Gail went missing (approx May 6), to find Gail.

I hope LE and Matt's PI have been able to get the info that Gail's PI accumulated in those weeks before her disappearance, and to talk with Gail's PI.

 

[confused]

Hi confused,

I'm confused, lol!
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is that with two PI's hired by two separate individuals (who are spouses), to sort out grounds for divorce and the like... would they not first be checking out the opposite PI? Does that make any sense? :waitasec:

Now you see why I picked that name! LOL

I don't know much about the PI that Gail had hired. It is my understanding that she hired him, after being prompted by AD, and his job was to gather info on Matt that Gail could use in a divorce. I would assume that on the day she disappeared, his job was complete. No one to pay him, no more PIing.

According to MSM, Matt hired his PI on about the 6th of May. His PI is assigned with the job of finding Gail. His job is still ongoing. As was mentioned earlier by BeanE, he appears to be a first rate PI with excellent credentials and past performance. He has ties with the HCPD and I would have to assume that he will work WITH them in finding Gail, rather than against them. That brings up the subject of the computers. I think it is only expected that a PI investigating a missing woman would go through each and every computer that she could have used, looking for web sites she may have visited, emails she got or received, even purchases she may have made. People seem to have jumped to the conclusion that MM took these computers to wipe them of info, but I would have to believe just the opposite. He wouldn't be much of a PI if he didn't look at them.

So, back to your original thoughts on the 2 PIs. I am sure they both have info that is useful, but I think they were doing totally different things. I seriously doubt they will sit down together to compare notes, but I would assume that all info that either one has will be compiled by the LE and used to aid in the investigation.

 

[jeni4smith]

I dunno, Oriah. I keep wondering why a murderer would hire any PI to find his missing murder victim, let alone one with this guy's credentials.

I would think it would have to be an extraordinarily stupid murderer who really, really, really wanted to get caught.

But... I can't find any case where a murderer hired a PI to find his missing murder victim after murdering them, so I can read about why they did it.

I can't find any case where a murderer put his kids who were last to see his victim into counseling where they could give the counselor incriminating info and the counselor rat the murderer out to LE either. Can't figure out why a murderer would do that either.

Matt the murderer has lined up four (FOUR!) people to incriminate him in his murder of Gail. It's just mind boggling. Looks like it could be the very first case of its kind.

I have to agree that it would be crazy not only for someone to do all of the things that you mentioned.... but also have 2 PIs and LE find no evidence to a crime. Unless, of course, no crime took place.

Maybe this is a situation where a marriage was crumbling, the wife took off (maybe leaving clues to set up the husband, maybe not), the husband felt the need to protect himself and the children so he hired a lawyer and a PI (knowing HE had not committed any crimes) and it has snowballed into a public conviction where everyone assumes that he MUST have killed her.

If Gail was possibly spotted in NH, maybe she is there, or somewhere in the New England area. Maybe she had a plan and the plan got out of control. Maybe her plan is going along exactly as she wanted. Why is MP the only one who could possibly be at fault here?

Maybe LE really is that inept. Maybe they are doing their job and there just isn't anything to find. There are a lot of maybes and not all of them point to MP as a murderer.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[confused]

Seems that we are thinking alike today. I am glad that your opinion is similar to mine on this. Makes me feel a bit smarter...I have watched your post and you are very good to keep facts clear and concise. Thank you!

Gail hired a PI, for the divorce, several weeks before she went missing.

Matt hired his PI, several days after Gail went missing (approx May 6), to find Gail.

I hope LE and Matt's PI have been able to get the info that Gail's PI accumulated in those weeks before her disappearance, and to talk with Gail's PI.

 

[Oriah]

I am somewhat hung up on this all. :waitasec:

So Matt's PI has a background with Team Adam.

Gail's PI is a 3rd party, focusing on the inclination and opportunity aspect of cheating and divorce. Gail hired her PI service prior to Matt hiring his.

What is the likelihood of them NOT sharing info?? And not sharing info with LE if asked??

I'd be worried about my PI license, if I were either party. (!)

 

[Emeralgem]

It IS mind-boggling, I agree. Or someone is incredibly certain that no one involved would incriminate? Or extremely certain of their own innocence in relation to any crime that may have occurred?

Or perhaps a PI working different angles, for different reasons? Hmm.

Perplexed.

IMHO...What we have here is just a high brass "Good Ole Boy" cop turn PI...Who just happens to have many many connections...JMHO

 

[BeanE]

IMHO...What we have here is just a high brass "Good Ole Boy" cop turn PI...Who just happens to have many many connections...JMHO

Colluding with a murderer to cover his crime why?

What would be Mike Mathis' reason for, on the one hand, working with Team Adam to find missing persons and bring murderers and predators and criminals to justice, but on the other hand, with this one murderer, colluding with him to cover it up?

Or do you think Mike Mathis is also colluding with other murderers and criminals around Chattanooga to cover up their crimes as well?

Are there any articles or cases about Mathis having been involved in this type of corruption in the past?

Does Mike Mathis have some prior connection with Matt Palmgren?

 

[Emeralgem]

I seriously doubt they will sit down together to compare notes, but I would assume that all info that either one has will be compiled by the LE and used to aid in the investigation.

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BBM DARK RED


Either that or......JMHO

 

[confused]

Yes, you are correct. Matt hired his PI after Gail's disappearance, and for the sole purpose of finding her. Matt's PI appears to be with Team Adam and is also a retired Captain with the HCSD. He is well respected in his field and in this area. I seriously doubt that he would be willing to risk his PI license or his reputation on this case. That is why I believe that he most surely is following standard proceedure and working WITH the LE in this. It would not be beneficial to his reputation or his career to do otherwise. Just as a side note, MM seems like a man who is concerned about the victims. His work with Team Adam shows that. I would assume he is working very hard to locate Gail-for his personal peace of mind.

I don't know anything about Gail's PI, not even if he was from TN or AL. He was hired weeks before the disappearance, and only to dig up info on Matt. It has been stated that AD has copies of all his discovery. I am sure that she has shared them with LE, even if he hasn't.

I am somewhat hung up on this all. :waitasec:

So Matt's PI has a background with Team Adam.

Gail's PI is a 3rd party, focusing on the inclination and opportunity aspect of cheating and divorce. Gail hired her PI service prior to Matt hiring his.

What is the likelihood of them NOT sharing info?? And not sharing info with LE if asked??

I'd be worried about my PI license, if I were either party. (!)

 

[confused]

It would appear that his many many connections are with the police in this area. Why would he turn against them for this case? How would that be of any good to him. I can't see how him being a "Good Ole Boy" would fit into this situation at all. Matt wouldn't be considered one of the "Good Ole Boys".

IMHO...What we have here is just a high brass "Good Ole Boy" cop turn PI...Who just happens to have many many connections...JMHO

 

[hollyblue]

I don't know how to specifically link to this, but the BGHN Facebook has Clive saying the following:

Some thoughts to ponder. Jammer had already talked to Lee Davis before his show with Arlene as the guest. Why did Lee have an alibi for Tammy not being on the Mountain and in the Jeep with Gail that 30th? He is not her attorney. Now is it just his word or has anybody checked her alibi. We know she was here on the day that Gail & Matt argued at the Police Station on 29th. She dropped Matt off.

...she dropped him off from her car that she bought while at the conference the she and Matt did not attend. That is why Gail went to the Police station. He was not supposed to 'fly' home until later that evening, and then finding his car at home unexpectedly she raced to SMPD. I guess she was scared. Then they argued and LE intervened and sent her to the Lake House.

I think this is the link, but when I click on it, it makes me log in so I can't confirm.

http://www.facebook.com/THEENGLISHMAN06/posts/229105130453200

Anyway, has anyone heard this in an interview or anything similar? Clive's mention of it is the only thing I've seen.

I had seen this earlier too and haven't seen it elsewhere.

IMO Davis would want to know TH's activities just because he is representing MP and MP was involved with her. ***It's also normal at times for attorneys to ask their clients to take a poly.

I'd like to know how CB knows, for sure, of TH dropping MP off on the 29th? Either one of them or someone else could have driven the car to the area and both or indivdulally could have flown back. Could it have been sooner? Where did she drop him off? The office or airport to get his car? The house? His mom's? If true his car was at home when GP arrived with the kids, then whose auto was he using to run errands with his mother? His mother's? Why would she pick him up if he had a vehicle? ??????

If they argued at the police station...how did MP know she was there? Did she or LE call Matt?

So many questions not answered from those statements. ??????

 

[confused]

I have no idea what you are getting at with this. Please explain?

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BBM DARK RED


Either that or......JMHO

 

[hollyblue]

RSBM

I wonder why MP chose the specific PI that he did?

Isn't MM the attorney's PI.....associated with the firm?

 

[hollyblue]

Gail hired a PI, for the divorce, several weeks before she went missing.

Matt hired his PI, several days after Gail went missing (approx May 6), to find Gail.

I hope LE and Matt's PI have been able to get the info that Gail's PI accumulated in those weeks before her disappearance, and to talk with Gail's PI

Now I'm confused. I could see Gail's PI talking to LE, but why should he talk to Davis or MM?

 

[confused]

I don't think anyone said he should. I think the question was more about had the 2 PI's uncovered any info that would assist LE, and if so, had they turned it over to LE?

Now considering that there are 2 PI's and both have worked on this, they may WANT to get together, compare notes, kick around some thoughts or opinions.

Gail hired a PI, for the divorce, several weeks before she went missing.

Matt hired his PI, several days after Gail went missing (approx May 6), to find Gail.

I hope LE and Matt's PI have been able to get the info that Gail's PI accumulated in those weeks before her disappearance, and to talk with Gail's PI.

Now I'm confused. I could see Gail's PI talking to LE, but why should he talk to Davis or MM?