TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #8

[Some1Nose]

Some more thoughts:

While MP was away on “business” until 4/29, maybe that’s partly when Gail removed things from the home “for safe keeping”, disconnected tracking devices, transferred her portion of any funds, went through some of MP’s belongings, etc. any of which he may have noticed upon arriving home and didn‘t appreciate (all speculation only).

While MP was away from home, Gail had the freedom to put her separation plans into action. It was previously stated (not sure from what source, now, so not sure if confirmed fact) that Gail and MP only talked once while he was away from home the week ending on 4/29 and it was then that MP told Gail that he wanted a separation and she reportedly said, “okay”. That interaction, if correct, must have given impetus to Gail’s plans.

I don’t believe it has been confirmed how MP got home on 4/29. Was he in his vehicle, alone? And what type vehicle/s does he own, anyone know? Was he in his vehicle with someone else? Was he with TH, still? And upon arriving home, unexpectedly, did he find Gail going through certain business docs, or something personal to MP? Something/s caused a big enough blow-up that the police were involved in a DV call and LE gave Gail a phone number for a safe house. One could surmise from this info that LE thought, at the time, they had enough Probable Cause to believe Gail’s safety was at risk.

Further, do any of us really believe MP would have been able to initially “call the shots” regarding the LE investigation in to Gail’s disappearance if he had not of lawyer-uped with local, well-heeled criminal defense attorneys? I don’t…I believe that more intensive, thorough searches for Gail and her Jeep would have been conducted from the get-go not to mention property searches, imo.

Regarding the issue of the children being interviewed: I agree with a previous poster who said, (paraphrased here) at the very least, MP should have been interviewed and been given a polygraph test, early on, to be ruled out as a suspect. And, I totally believe that the children should have been interviewed immediately. Allowing the children to tell what they do know to professional, understanding LE interviewers without MP present so they can candidly talk without the fear of reprisals would be best, imo.

It would probably do the children a world of good to get their concerns off their chests to someone whose job it is to help find their mother. Possibly, a Guardian ad Litem could be appointed to represent the childrens’ interests and accompany them to any LE interviews. (I believe the court petition brought by Gail’s siblings mentioned court appointed representation for the children?)

I’m thrilled that the FBI interviewed AD for two hours. That fact seems to indicate that she is being taken seriously, and I hope AD was able to shed light on Gail’s disappearance.

If LE wants to find Gail there are two key words involved here: Searches and Interviews! Professional searches of the vacant house across from Gail’s SM home, the surrounding neighborhoods, wooded areas (especially along and below egress/ingress roads), and water ways on and around SM should have been conducted, by now. (It is possible that LE/SAR searches have been conducted but kept confidential, which is fine by me, as long as they look for Gail and her Jeep.) Official LE interviews of the children, MP, TH and all other pertinent parties need to be conducted asap, if they haven't been, yet, imho.

 

[Oriah]

I am also interested in several locations where 77 crosses the Choccolocco Creek in AL- both north and south of Smiths Mill. Does anyone know the area well enough to recall which truck stops/rest stops surround that area?

ETA: (yet ANOTHER question for people familiar with the SM area)
Are there three James Blvds on Signal, or just two? TIA!

 

[Emeralgem]

I am also interested in several locations where 77 crosses the Choccolocco Creek in AL- both norh and south of Smiths Mill. Does anyone know the area well enough to recall which truck stops/rest stops surround that area?

ETA: (yet ANOTHER question for people familiar with the SM area)
Are there three James Blvds on Signal, or just two? TIA!

I thought there was just one James Blvd.. I think there is a James Place though.. But what do I know?

 

[Pearl*]

I thought there was just one James Blvd.. I think there is a James Place though.. But what do I know?

One James Blvd. I'm sure of that. It is one of the two "main roads" on Signal Mountain, although it is not the "highway" that becomes Ridgeway Avenue and then Taft Highway as it progresses north toward Dunlap after reaching the top of the mountain. A large portion of James Blvd. runs parallel to Taft Highway. This is the branch that connects with St. Ives. after a couple of turns. The other section circles around by Signal Point through what we call "Old Town."

The section running parallel to the highway intersects with the main highway as you approach our ONE traffic light immediately upon reaching the top of the mountain. It has two short connectors about a block long each before becoming technically "James Blvd." The initial turn is left on Signal Mountain Blvd. which then branches left, and then Maryland Avenue which then ends at the point it becomes James Blvd.

At that intersection, which it more a V than a T, James splits into two directions, one toward Signal Point and the one running parallel to Taft. Then the "Taft" branch ends at Taft Highway near the top of the W road.

Is that complicated enough? James Place, if I'm not mistaken, is the name of some condos and not a road.

 

[Oriah]

One James Blvd. I'm sure of that. It is one of the two "main roads" on Signal Mountain, although it is not the "highway" that becomes Ridgeway Avenue and then Taft Highway as it progresses north toward Dunlap after reaching the top of the mountain. A large portion of James Blvd. runs parallel to Taft Highway. This is the branch that connects with St. Ives. after a couple of turns. The other section circles around by Signal Point through what we call "Old Town."

The section running parallel to the highway intersects with the main highway as you approach our ONE traffic light immediately upon reaching the top of the mountain. It has two short connectors about a block long each before becoming technically "James Blvd." The initial turn is left on Signal Mountain Blvd. which then branches left, and then Maryland Avenue which then ends at the point it becomes James Blvd.

At that intersection, which it more a V than a T, James splits into two directions, one toward Signal Point and the one running parallel to Taft. Then the "Taft" branch ends at Taft Highway near the top of the W road.

Is that complicated enough? James Place, if I'm not mistaken, is the name of some condos and not a road.

Thank you, Pearl!

 

[BeanE]

Yes, your link to the above law is the one I indicated was passed last year in reference to the elderly and disabled individuals. There is a separate section of code that spells out procedures with regards to child abduction. There is not a section in code that covers missing adults like Gail.

No, I don't think so. The one I posted is for endangered missing adults - not seniors/dev disabled/dementia.

Gail is classified as an endangered missing adult, so the one I posted is what applies to her.

Here it is again:

HOUSE BILL 2993 By DeBerry
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Bill/SB2940.pdf

You said in your previous post:

There is a section on procedures involving missing children, and a section added last year that creates a special kind of alert for seniors, developmentally disabled persons, and those with dementia.

and I believe that would be this, separate, different one:

HOUSE BILL 346 By Hackworth
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Bill/HB0346.pdf

This one is for seniors, developmentally disabled, dementia, etc.

Endangered missing adult, which Gail is classified as, appears to me to be completely different from senior, developmentally disabled, dementia, etc adult. I think that's why they have these two, separate, different bills.

State v. Stevens seems applicable, but also broad and subjective. Given what we know, I think it's possible that in another jurisdiction in the same state, under Stevens, a search warrant might have been obtained given the recent interactions with LE and Gail's last known comments to her sister, and the time she has been missing with no bank or cell activity, etc.

I gave the State v Stevens clip only as an example of the sort of thing you can search for in looking for the information you posted about, and how that example can help you in that search.

Probably, though, the fastest and easiest way to find out what the Sheriff uses as his guideline for the definition of suspicion of foul play is just to email and ask him. It would be interesting to email and ask the DA's office at the same time what guideline they go by for the definition of suspicion of foul play. Me being me, I wouldn't let either know I'd asked the other lol. One would hope the definitions they use would match, but ya never know lol.

 

[BeanE]

I am also interested in several locations where 77 crosses the Choccolocco Creek in AL- both north and south of Smiths Mill. Does anyone know the area well enough to recall which truck stops/rest stops surround that area?

ETA: (yet ANOTHER question for people familiar with the SM area)
Are there three James Blvds on Signal, or just two? TIA!

I thought there was just one James Blvd.. I think there is a James Place though.. But what do I know?

Oriah, I just want to tell you that I really appreciate all your hard efforts on this case, and all the other cases you work on. You're always in there, working hard for the missing person. :blowkiss:

Emeralgem, I noticed that every time Oriah asks a question, you jump right in to help. That's wonderful, and I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate your efforts. :grouphug:

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, I just want to tell you that I really appreciate all your hard efforts on this case, and all the other cases you work on. You're always in there, working hard for the missing person. :blowkiss:

Emeralgem, I noticed that every time Oriah asks a question, you jump right in to help. That's wonderful, and I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate your efforts. :grouphug:

Aww thank you Bean! Right back atcha! :blowkiss:

I've got another question that maybe someone can help with.

Does Gail wear glasses all the time? Or only for reading or driving? Does she sometimes wear contacts as well?
TIA if anyone can answer this question!

 

[JBean]

beane-I am following the Bryan Stow beating case. They made 3 arrests and charged 2 people with the beating based on the information put together by LAPD's "Clue Coordinator" This person reminded of you and your mind maps. They put all the leads and information together and look for patterns with tips and leads and see if it takes them anywhere. The case is making great progress based on the findings of the clue coordinator and he is being credited with solving the case. I just wanted to share that with you because I thought of you right away!

 

[Oriah]

beane-I am following the Bryan Stow beating case. They made 3 arrests and charged 2 people with the beating based on the information put together by LAPD's "Clue Coordinator" This person reminded of you and your mind maps. They put all the leads and information together and look for patterns with tips and leads and see if it takes them anywhere. The case is making great progress based on the findings of the clue coordinator and he is being credited with solving the case. I just wanted to share that with you because I thought of you right away!

Mind maps rock! :rocker:

 

[Emeralgem]

One James Blvd. I'm sure of that. It is one of the two "main roads" on Signal Mountain, although it is not the "highway" that becomes Ridgeway Avenue and then Taft Highway as it progresses north toward Dunlap after reaching the top of the mountain. A large portion of James Blvd. runs parallel to Taft Highway. This is the branch that connects with St. Ives. after a couple of turns. The other section circles around by Signal Point through what we call "Old Town."

The section running parallel to the highway intersects with the main highway as you approach our ONE traffic light immediately upon reaching the top of the mountain. It has two short connectors about a block long each before becoming technically "James Blvd." The initial turn is left on Signal Mountain Blvd. which then branches left, and then Maryland Avenue which then ends at the point it becomes James Blvd.

At that intersection, which it more a V than a T, James splits into two directions, one toward Signal Point and the one running parallel to Taft. Then the "Taft" branch ends at Taft Highway near the top of the W road.

Is that complicated enough? James Place, if I'm not mistaken, is the name of some condos and not a road.

BBM...Could it be both? I know it is on the left before Hathaway and Birnam Woods..

http://mapq.st/nDzPGS

 

[Oriah]

Could it be both?

http://mapq.st/nDzPGS

Emeralgem, I think it is.

Also- what do you think about the 'scenic' route (rt 8.) Would that have been passable on the 29th?

 

[Pearl*]

BBM...Could it be both? I know it is on the left before Hathaway and Birnam Woods..

http://mapq.st/nDzPGS

Oriah and Em, I called a friend who was driving that route today, and that road simply does not exist, or if it does, it's so obscure it has no marker. I knew I remembered nothing there. Will check other maps. Condos are Jamestown and not James Place, and they are at the end of James, on the route to go down the front of the mountain.

Would be interested in hearing from other locals on this.

ETA: Not on Google maps. Nothing between Stratford Way and Westwood. I don't know how to link the map though.

 

[Emeralgem]

Emeralgem, I think it is.

Also- what do you think about the 'scenic' route (rt 8.) Would that have been passable on the 29th?

I don't know but I believe it was passable..My relatives usually take the "W" up and down and I know they didn't have any problems.. My understanding is Signal Mtn sustained very little damage from the storms. Hopefully, a poster who lives up there and travelled up or down the mtn. after the storms may have more information as to whether or not they encountered any problems with the main road going up and down the mtn...JMHO

ETA.. I don't live on the mtn but I couldn't even get out of my driveway for two days. I was in a panic too since we were planning to leave town on the 30th to attend a destination wedding of a family member..

 

[Emeralgem]

Oriah and Em, I called a friend who was driving that route today, and that road simply does not exist, or if it does, it's so obscure it has no marker. I knew I remembered nothing there. Will check other maps. Condos are Jamestown and not James Place, and they are at the end of James, on the route to go down the front of the mountain.

Would be interested in hearing from other locals on this.

ETA: Not on Google maps. Nothing between Stratford Way and Westwood. I don't know how to link the map though.

Mapquest driving directions shows James Place to be between Stratford Way and Westwood..

http://mapq.st/ov5rkl

Jamestown Condos are on the left when you reach the top of the mtn just before the traffic light.

 

[Pearl*]

Mapquest driving directions shows James Place to be between Stratford Way and Westwood..

http://mapq.st/ov5rkl

Jamestown Condos are on the left when you reach the top of the mtn just beofre the traffic light.

Promise. It's not there. Mapquest has a mistake. Look at Google. I had somebody actually drive down James and look for it about 30 minutes ago.

 

[Emeralgem]

Promise. It's not there. Mapquest has a mistake. Look at Google. I had somebody actually drive down James and look for it about 30 minutes ago.

I'm not on the mtn right now to check, but I'll take your word for it not being there...

 

[Pearl*]

I'm not on the mtn right now to check, but I'll take your word for it not being there...

Em, I appreciate your polite answer, but I'm not sure you're convinced. Maybe I just can't find it. I do drive the road frequently myself, and I knew I didn't remember seeing it; that's why I asked a friend to go looking since I knew she was going that way anyway. I'm familiar with Westwood, Stratford, Hathaway, and Inverness, but never saw James Place.

Seriously, if somebody finds it I really do want to know about it.

 

[Emeralgem]

Em, I appreciate your polite answer, but I'm not sure you're convinced. Maybe I just can't find it. I do drive the road frequently myself, and I knew I didn't remember seeing it; that's why I asked a friend to go looking since I knew she was going that way anyway. I'm familiar with Westwood, Stratford, Hathaway, and Inverness, but never saw James Place.

Seriously, if somebody finds it I really do want to know about it.

LOL..I don't know IF I am convinced or not..I just Googled street view map for Jamed Blvd. and I couldn't even find Stratford Way off of James Blvd and I know for certain that road exists....JMHO

 

[Oriah]

Oh my goodness, lol.

I really appreciate everyones input.

And I think developers need to stop naming things James!