Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #11

[KKearns]

I do think, though, that it makes a difference whether ET thinks she's going along willingly, or whether he's threatening her - because the dynamics of the relationship is going to affect how he treats her. If she is with him "willingly" then it's much more likely that he might send her into a store alone to pick up supplies rather than if his hold on her was limited to threats.A "happy" relationship would make it more likely that they'd be in public, or even that he'd take her somewhere to have fun, whereas if she's only staying due to fear, he'd probably want to isolate her and limit her chances to escape.

If TC thinks ET is completely willing, I think that puts her in a safer position for longer and will give her more opportunities to find a way to escape or get help.

I've seen that most of us understand that and also understand that no matter the circumstances, this wasn't a decision made on her own or based on truth.

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[jpo74]

Especially that pic of him in Walmart. In it, he really looks creepier than any other pedophile I've ever seen. I can't even imagine kissing him at his best, and now to see this side of him. eew

the look on her face tells me she wishes she were somewhere else but is afraid to say anything.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I do think, though, that it makes a difference whether ET thinks she's going along willingly, or whether he's threatening her - because the dynamics of the relationship is going to affect how he treats her. If she is with him "willingly" then it's much more likely that he might send her into a store alone to pick up supplies rather than if his hold on her was limited to threats.A "happy" relationship would make it more likely that they'd be in public, or even that he'd take her somewhere to have fun, whereas if she's only staying due to fear, he'd probably want to isolate her and limit her chances to escape.

But if she is a victim of abuse, she might be desperate for love and stay with a man who is not good for her. I am absolutely convinced that he doesn't love her putting her at risk like this, and when she's ready to go home, will he take her?

 

[Kapua]

I missed part of the last thread so this may have been mentioned and sorry if it was in there, but I saw on local news that TBI was following up on a possible sighting in Nebraska. They were possibly on camera at a McDs, but TBI ruled it out. While that disappointed me I was happy to see it getting attention. Anyone I had asked had no idea about the story last week. It was in a small town the tip came in from also, which really gives me hope that more eyes are looking. Leave it so no place is safe to hide. If we keep spreading the word she will come home. I think about this poor girl every single day. Also it has been in the 30's at night here so not exactly comfortable sleeping weather if they did head north.

My main source of confusion in Tad's thinking of this "plan" was what are they going to do when the money runs out? Become criminals? I just keep going back to that. What is his plan for money? I really do not understand how he is still flying under the radar when the plan seems so flawed. That is the thing that leads me to believe someone has or intends to help them w lodging/food/ money. I just don't see how they last like this long term.

We absolutely need to get the word out every way we can. Print flyers, post on social media, if there's a way to get this story on every newscast in America... We have to find her now.

I go to the same place that you do. I think about Elizabeth every day and when I wake up in the morning, I check to see if she has been found. I don't follow a lot of cases. This is one of the few that got my attention and got under my skin. What's his plan for when he runs out of money? We are all wondering. The smart thing for him to do would be bring her back, throw himself on the mercy of the court, and spend his jail time studying for his next career. But clearly, a man who abducts a 15-year-old is not thinking logically or rationally. Anyway, I hope that we find them long before they run out of money!

 

[Kapua]

I've been 5 times and gambled less than $1 at a slot machine just to "gamble" in Vegas. I've gambled in Tunica, in Shreveport, and several other places that have casinos (plus I live 30 minutes from Hot Springs, AR where live gambling is legal at Oaklawn race track). So gambling did not appeal to me at all in Vegas.

You can spend a LOT of money or you can get by on a fairly reasonable budget. They have everything from fast food, to bad buffets (I DO NOT recommend the buffets), to mid range price sit down restaurants, to very expensive fine dining. I was lucky enough to go for work and my employer paid for some very expensive dining.

But to give a direct answer to your question - in all the trips I've made to Vegas I've never once heard of hotels requiring guests to gamble. I've never even heard of that in other gambling locales like Tunica (which I've been to about a dozen times). And as for the cost of the hotel, there's everything from Motel 6 prices to $10,000 a night suites. Treasure Island, which is one of Steve Wynn's hotels (and very nice - I stayed there once), runs a regular special for something like $99 a night and includes discounts for the spa and the Cirque du Soleil show they have at TI.

And then there's all the hotels on the original strip - Fremont Street. It's very easy to be lost in the sea of people in Vegas. Everywhere you go it's very crowded.


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I had to spend 10 days there on a business trip a while back. I am not much of a gambler and I live in California, where you are not allowed to smoke indoors in public buildings of any kind. I have never seen or smelled so much indoor smoke in my life. Fortunately my co-worker from LA was there as well. His mom lived in Las Vegas and he knew the city well. He drove over from LA, so he had his car with him. I hung out with him a lot because he is a foodie, knows all of the good restaurants off the strip, and is even less of a gambler than I am. I tried to find things to do when we were not working that didn't involve gambling, because 10 days is a LONG time to be in Vegas. Most of the hotel shows were super expensive and there were none that interested me, but I really enjoyed the dolphin show at the Mirage - there were two adorable newborn baby dolphins. Some people really enjoy Las Vegas, but I am not one of them. After 2 hours, I am ready to leave.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

They don't look in love. Body language is off. IMO. Either way the courts do not consider her mature enough to make the decision to run off with a much older man.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tad...AUICSgD&biw=768&bih=960#imgrc=IvEp0OB8KgnAVM:

 

[abeaman02]

I wouldn't describe it that way because I would have to Google the word before describing it that way.

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I was catching up and that was exactly what I just did. :lookingitup:

 

[Deleted member 172065]

5 TRAITS of PSYCHOPATHS
Everyone should read this. You probably know one, or have known one.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...le-dont-do/201602/5-traits-actual-psychopaths

 

[Milenalee]

Why isn't it that simple? They are on video walking in Walmart together of all places. There's plenty of people to run to for help and get away. Some people can't get past their selves and understand this girl isn't with this guy right now against her will. Even though that might not fit your narrative

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Go back and read earlier threads. This has been addressed thoroughly. Elizabeth smart could have run from her abductor and did not. Could have responded to questioning and did not. Why? fear and mind control. There are thousands of examples, almost no one ever takes the chance. He has guns. He has control over her. He has probably convinced her she has no future without him, and that he has given up everything for her, that he will be jailed, or even that she will too.

She is a victim, a child used to abuse and power games from her mom and now this fiend. Do you think she wanted to parade naked in front of men when her mother did that to her? Would she leave her epipen if she planned to leave for a long time? Would she beg her friend to take her home instead of to the shoney's meet spot? Or wake her sister up to tell her to call the cops if not back by 6? Your narrative is only in your head, based on nothing but prejudice against a vulnerable child.

Implying that she has free will in all this is frankly offensive.


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[Milenalee]

In my opinion, that video blows any chance of convicting him of kidnapping.

This has also been discussed thoroughly up thread. Lawyers and others weighed in. Absolutely he can be convicted. Good luck defending him. I'm sure the prosecutors will have a much easier time of it.


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[Lori_belle]

This has also been discussed thoroughly up thread. Lawyers and others weighed in. Absolutely he can be convicted. Good luck defending him. I'm sure the prosecutors will have a much easier time of it.


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True, and keep in mind that he will be tried by a jury of his peers in conservative, rural Middle Tennessee.

 

[BlkMtnGirl]

While trying to get into the mind of this creep, I began wondering if perhaps Mr. Cummins, the "teacher," has decided to take ET on a little tour through some educational spots. If they went through Decatur, AL (where the cellphone pinged), that would be a good chance to show ET the mighty Tennessee River on the way to Oklahoma City. In OKC, they could check out the OKC Bombing Memorial. From there, you could hit three or four states on the way to Yellowstone. [Coincidentally, one possible route would be through Kearney, NE. We now know that was NOT a sighting, but mapping it out yesterday is what gave me this thought.] From Yellowstone, Idaho would be just a stone's throw. I hear it is a really large, sparsely populated place where it would be easy to get lost on purpose. This is all my random thoughts, etc. etc., and no need to point out that we have no info that they're going to Yellowstone. I know that. Just throwing out some ideas that may not have been mentioned.

 

[Quisp]

Can't remember who (sorry!) brought up TC's infamous song this evening but it reminded me that he stated on his resume that he has something like 65 songs copyrighted. I checked the ASCAP and BMI artist databases (the two main copyright holders in the US) and his name didn't come up. Guys, hang on to your hats here.......I think Tad might have lied!

You do not have to register a song with the Copyright Office in order for it to have a Copyright. The moment he wrote a song, it's got a Copyright. Same is true for websites. Note the copyright notice at the bottom of this page (which is not required in order to have a Copyright).

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

i haven't found much to be cheap on the Vegas strip.. Vegas is also full of surveillance cameras in casinos etc isn't it?

Lots of cameras in the casinos, but very few in the hotels. She's too young to hang out in the casinos anyway. There are plenty of places of Fremont Street where you can still get s $10 prime rib dinner, lots of places where you can get footlongs for a dollar or two. Lots of families, fathers and daughters, men with much younger women, and Vegas is definitely a MYOB kind of place. Not a bad place to hide in plain sight. Imo

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[pegs]

While trying to get into the mind of this creep, I began wondering if perhaps Mr. Cummins, the "teacher," has decided to take ET on a little tour through some educational spots. If they went through Decatur, AL (where the cellphone pinged), that would be a good chance to show ET the mighty Tennessee River on the way to Oklahoma City. In OKC, they could check out the OKC Bombing Memorial. From there, you could hit three or four states on the way to Yellowstone. [Coincidentally, one possible route would be through Kearney, NE. We now know that was NOT a sighting, but mapping it out yesterday is what gave me this thought.] From Yellowstone, Idaho would be just a stone's throw. I hear it is a really large, sparsely populated place where it would be easy to get lost on purpose. This is all my random thoughts, etc. etc., and no need to point out that we have no info that they're going to Yellowstone. I know that. Just throwing out some ideas that may not have been mentioned.

This particular 'teacher' hasn't had teaching on his mind for a long time, if ever, considering his history of grooming young girls.

I do think he may try to hide out at the Natl Parks though, but as summer approaches they will become very crowded and even that will be less attractive and might help flush him out.

 

[BlkMtnGirl]

This particular 'teacher' hasn't had teaching on his mind for a long time, if ever, considering his history of grooming young girls.

I do think he may try to hide out at the Natl Parks though, but as summer approaches they will become very crowded and even that will be less attractive and might help flush him out.

Agreed. I think he fancies himself a teacher more than many (or most) of us do.

 

[SilentRogue]

While trying to get into the mind of this creep, I began wondering if perhaps Mr. Cummins, the "teacher," has decided to take ET on a little tour through some educational spots. If they went through Decatur, AL (where the cellphone pinged), that would be a good chance to show ET the mighty Tennessee River on the way to Oklahoma City. In OKC, they could check out the OKC Bombing Memorial. From there, you could hit three or four states on the way to Yellowstone. [Coincidentally, one possible route would be through Kearney, NE. We now know that was NOT a sighting, but mapping it out yesterday is what gave me this thought.] From Yellowstone, Idaho would be just a stone's throw. I hear it is a really large, sparsely populated place where it would be easy to get lost on purpose. This is all my random thoughts, etc. etc., and no need to point out that we have no info that they're going to Yellowstone. I know that. Just throwing out some ideas that may not have been mentioned.

I mean, there are landmarks and historic sites across the nation. There is no use speculating based on those previous spots that they are seeing landmarks. Specifically, there is no theme from a moderately famous river, to the site of a terrorist attack, to a national park?

Even if they are going to see National land marks and historic places, those around the places we know they have been offer no insight into what they could/would want to see next.



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[Rachel1]

After talking with a buddy yesterday ,Honestly I think this is just going to be a waiting game at this point. I think We're going to be stuck waiting until they are caught.
Until then, all we can do is continue to be on the look out for them and hope for some confirmed sightings.
Tad may be an Idiot but he's a little better at hiding then I thought.
It's been 23(?) Days and we have one confirmed sighting . I really had thought this would ended by now. He may be cunning but he'll either make a mistake or eventually will run out of money.

 

[Mom24]

Why isn't it that simple? They are on video walking in Walmart together of all places. There's plenty of people to run to for help and get away. Some people can't get past their selves and understand this girl isn't with this guy right now against her will. Even though that might not fit your narrative

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I'm going to assume you have friends. And I'm going to further assume you like your friends, maybe not all the time, but for the most part you like them, right? I'm going to go a step further and suggest you even go out with those friends, those people you like. And I'm gong to lay odds that at least once they've encouraged you to do something you don't want to do, maybe see a movie you weren't interested in or eat a restaurant you don't care for or even hang out at a time when you just really weren't into it. But you went along to that movie or restaurant or just hung out, pasted a smile on your face and tried to make the best of it. Now anyone looking at you might ask, why go if you don't want to be there? Just get up and leave. Don't like the movie, walk out and leave your friends. Don't like the restaurant, hoof it home. But no, you went along and you didn't leave. So according to your logic that's because you really liked that movie or restaurant. I'm going to even bet you went to school and sat in classes you didn't like, maybe even next to people you didn't like, so why didn't you leave? By your logic you liked that class, you loved school and wanted to be there. Okay, now picture this, a guy who you begin to trust tells you you have no future, no one will love you, you already know you're ugly and the place you have to attend every day is full of twits who feel better by beating you down. This guy says "Hey I can fix it all for you" so you get excited and you hope and you get invested in being saved. But then you realize this is a man old enough to be your grandpa and he wants something in return. But you owe him so much and he can be scary sometimes. He's not your friend, he's a manipulator and now your welfare depends on keeping him happy. Trust me, I can think of at least a dozen scenarios that would be better and happier for a 15 year old girl than living in a car with a 50 year old flabby grandpa and his bodily odors. But let's say you're right, she is having the time of her life living in a car, not showering and peeing in ditches while grandpa tries his 50 year old moves with his droopy skin and flabby messiness, what are you suggesting we should all do?

 

[Rachel1]

I think what happens is that people hear" 15 yr old and 50 yr old man missing"
They then do a fast search of the Instagram pages and assume that this is nothing more then a forbidden relationship.
It appears that way to some on the surface but if they would just dig a tiny bit deeper ,they would see this is abuse.
Upon first glance to some, they may see images of her leaving her home with clothes and think " she left willingly so she's not in terrible trouble".
I encourage anyone who thinks this isn't a kidnapping to look at it a little longer. You'll soon see that even though it does appear she went willingly, it doesn't mean she isn't in trouble. She was an abused and neglected child who fell prey to this man. He took advantage of her and she needs to be brought home ASAP so the healing process can begin.
This isn't a love story, it's a story of a groomed child who needs help.