indianwin2001
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True. No one is accepting that a 15 yo leaving with a 50 yo under any circumstances is right,
That said all of the statements leading up to the event have to be evaluated if they are true, plausible, or false. Comments are just comments, opinions (I mark mine as such) are informed opinions. Actions speak louder than words. It was reported (by family) what she took with her and what she left. The statements, including that she asked to return home, are only from the driving "friend" whose stories are changing and called into question. That's it, unless someone else was present. that would have had to occur between ET and the "friend" in the car and no one else present, right?
I do want to know how it is known what she was taking with her? Did the family present in the house then know what was packed?
A quote from ET's father's lawyer that I haven't seen before:
During school hours, Elizabeth dealt with other kids calling her vicious names, such as sl** and wh***, likely because in their minds, she got the cool teacher in trouble. According to the fathers attorney, even staff members reportedly joined in, allegedly calling the young girl, words to the effect a tramp.
The picture were getting from these students is there began to be a lot of students who took the side of Tad Cummins in the alleged kissing incident. And the cryptic, strange response was to ridicule her for being a sl** and a who** and this and that. And those are the kid of words, the exact words, we were told were used. And unfortunately, allegedly this is all allegations we havent confirmed but there were also similar statements, according to these sources, overheard from some teachers talking about this incident where words along those lines were used, Whatley said.
Lets be clear. We dont know which teachers. We havent confirmed. I know a lot of these teachers and we pray thats not true. But thats the report coming out. The report is also that Elizabeth heard some of these comments, Whatley said.
We didnt know firsthand the nature of what was being said. Thats coming from students, he said.
http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/03/...-girl-elizabeth-thomas-for-her-own-abduction/
And we actually don't know that her backpack wasn't stolen. We assume they returned to pick it up.
As far as we know, even the cops don't know who picked it up.Is it possible that the friend who dropped her off picked it up?
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Wow--So with him being a popular teacher and his wife being on the school board,the students sided with TC. I can understand the kids view,but the staff should have known better after the kiss was reported. At least investigate it properly before coming to judgement. A lot I have read about this town doesn't add up to me. Teachers and the scholl board members are supposed to be professionals and it appears the adults acted like teenagers themselves.
One thing I try to be very careful of while posting about situations that are happening in real time, is that every word I say here is put out there for anyone to read. I don't share every thought or opinion I might have for exactly that reason. If my opinion isn't really helpful, or can actually be harmful, I try to shut my mouth. That is why, apart from his lousy singing, you don't see me sharing my every thought when it comes to Tad Cummins. He could very well be reading here. I'm not inclined to help push anyone over the edge simply because I think the whole world has to know what I think about someone or something.
I take that same approach with the innocent people in every case I involve myself with here. If I think the mother of a missing child dresses like a hussy, I keep that kind of thing to myself, because commenting on that is NOT helpful. If I think the wife of a serial killer is a blazing , I generally don't say so, because it is not helpful. Etc. Etc. In this particular case, where a child's life might depend on everyone keeping a cool head and NOT driving anyone to do anything rash, I think that's a good rule of thumb for all of us. But, I only control my own words here.
All JMO.
Idk IMO everyone is entitled to grieve their own losses when they are feeling the grief. It doesn't take away from others grieving for ET. Maybe you are misdirecting your anger at TC onto others that he hurt.I'm sorry for her shock and humiliation, but we are looking at a serious crime against a CHILD here. She can grieve her losses LATER. JMO
I stated in #438 above why the constant questioning of whether she left willingly or not sounds like victim blaming. I ll rewrite it here in a few seconds. I need to go check in on April. Of course you may be new here, and just asking.True. No one is accepting that a 15 yo leaving with a 50 yo under any circumstances is right,
That said all of the statements leading up to the event have to be evaluated if they are true, plausible, or false. Comments are just comments, opinions (I mark mine as such) are informed opinions. Actions speak louder than words. It was reported (by family) what she took with her and what she left. The statements, including that she asked to return home, are only from the driving "friend" whose stories are changing and called into question. That's it, unless someone else was present. that would have had to occur between ET and the "friend" in the car and no one else present, right?
I do want to know how it is known what she was taking with her? Did the family present in the house then know what was packed?
When people keep insisting that they want to know if she was willing to go on this 'adventure' or not, it does sound like victim blaming. No it is not blaming, itt is trying to understand the events leading to the abduction, that is what I will call it, and undertand the rrue events not the opinions or comments
We all know they had a relationship of some sort. Yes IG and school e-mails
We know she wasn't dragged into the car. We don't know this, just presumed and not otherwise observed.
And there is no way to know exactly what she was thinking when she was preparing to go with him, or what she thought when she got into his car, and we don't know what she's thinking now. True
All we can know is she is in danger.
Her thinking processes are going to probably be very conflicted, anyways.
Teens are often not very logical.[/ Not in this case
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No one here is victim blaming at all. Everyone knows of ET made the decision to go, she is still a victim, she has been manipulated and is in no way responsible for her situation, she is a child, he is the adult.
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No one here is victim blaming at all. Everyone knows if ET made the decision to go, she is still a victim, she has been manipulated and is in no way responsible for her situation, she is a child, he is the adult.
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Man she was under a lot of pressure for losing a stupid key. Wow
No one here is victim blaming at all. Everyone knows if ET made the decision to go, she is still a victim, she has been manipulated and is in no way responsible for her situation, she is a child, he is the adult.
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I stated in #438 above why the constant questioning of whether she left willingly or not sounds like victim blaming. I ll rewrite it here in a few seconds. I need to go check in on April. Of course you may be new here, and just asking.
KAT...you mentioned that Elizabeth has facial scars. That really isn't obvious to me from any pictures that I've seen. Can you describe them in terms of where they are...cheek, forehead, chin ?