AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #4

[rosesfromangels]

This is my first post so forgive me if I misstate anything. If Summer is in the wooded area would the search dogs have picked up her scent by now? (I know nothing about search dogs.) Is it still possible she could be in the wooded area or is there little or no possibility of that now?

Hi and welcome!
That is my theory; in woods yet to be found.
The dogs are good but not infallible. Plus, she likely has moved position multiple times creating complexity.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[LaineyJ]

Thank you!!!

What I've not seen covered by TBI or media is.....registered sex offenders and those on video that traveled the area have ALL been interviewed but TBI has NOT stated they have been cleared or ruled out as a person of interest. Moo...and dislike for one sided media.

Moo....If FBI, TBI has any lead, evidence this family was involved, the kids would be removed immediately.

They had 400 tips and NOT one creditable lead, bet 90% are F B members, that don't even live in the area. The family has been an open book, well, the father. I feel sure if mother or grandmother appeared on TV, the reporter would bring up and push for answers on the missing sister. But yet, the PUBLIC demands she be interrogated on live TV. Theses so called interviews with the father, the reporter has NOT focused on Summer, but criminal history from years ago. Moo...

I'm 100% confident, if FBI wanted to, or maybe already has, researched their property and would be allowed to bring in any equipment. When I heard they went to Putt Putt for the afternoon, I wondered if the FBI was researching and the church took the kids out to try and prevent more trauma.

Several points ...

• Family has NOT lawyered up
• Family has NOT shut down social media. To spite all the horrible comments made.
• They have allowed TV into the property to photograph the home, several times, leading to more condemnation.
• Father has answered questions on live TV concerning his past and that at of his son.
• Cooperated with TBI per Leslie, coming to command anytime ask.
• The kids remain at home, under the watchful eye of DSS.
• Their church is staying and providing support.

Please, someone share what evidence they believe leads to nefarious actions from the family?

All respectfully based on my personal opinion

Have to say I agree....

thank you for this post.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I got really upset when I realized my post could be taken in a different light. I had zero intentions of ridiculing anyone, quite the opposite. For some reason, I believe her parents and feel so awful for them. My family grew up like this, rurally, working in agriculture, not having much, I loved going to visit my grandparents and aunts because my cousins ran around barefoot, splashed in the river all day. So I feel some connection to this family because my family is just like them. I didn’t get to live that childhood, but was able to enjoy it from time to time and it was great.

I too grew up just like this family when I was 4-5 years old.

I was always barefoot, wandered. But I can't recall if I always did within my parents rule. I would be gone for HOURS......... even at that age. That was back in the early 60's.

I look back on such... for that time....... and years and years after.. that I was OFTEN in the woods.

And when I was in my 30's... had my family members kiddos on a vacay with just me.. and allowed them to venture. ALONE in the woods.

I cannot imagine if something happened to my niece and her friend that were young children. But I did indeed allow them in the 80's to venture in the woods as I did.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I too grew up just like this family when I was 4-5 years old.

I was always barefoot, wandered. But I can't recall if I always did within my parents rule. I would be gone for HOURS......... even at that age. That was back in the early 60's.

I look back on such... for that time....... and years and years after.. that I was OFTEN in the woods.

And when I was in my 30's... had my family members kiddos on a vacay with just me.. and allowed them to venture. ALONE in the woods.

I cannot imagine if something happened to my niece and her friend that were young children. But I did indeed allow them in the 80's to venture in the woods as I did.

I don't have any serious issue with the story that she wandered off by herself into the woods to play, but that's not the story DW gave, he explicitly said paraphrasing "She wouldn't do that". The original story was that she was out of sight for minutes not hours and there now appears to be a discrepancy in the timeline.

 

[flossieflo]

Just chiming in about the dogs because I had wondered about this from the beginning.


I think it’s so important to remember that dogs, like us, can all be very different. I didn’t see what dog(s) the family has, but I actually happened to have a related conversation yesterday about the dog in my avatar/profile pic on here.

My mother took the dog to come give me a ride yesterday. She is a GSD and is schutzhund trained by original owners overseas (I don’t know if this matters here, so just mentioning)... the back windows were rolled down for the dog, and when we were parked and I stepped out of the car for a few minutes, she did not even raise from her laying position to look out the window for me. Nothing. I returned to the car and my mother went to step out of the car. As soon as her door opened, the dog sat up and was at attention. 10 seconds into my mother’s absence, and the dog was very clearly unsettled. She is overwhelmingly protective of mom & will follow her everywhere, unprompted—but does not do that for anyone else in the household to that degree. At home, she barks for anyone who gets to the front door, even if it is one of us.

with that being said, I do wonder if sometimes dogs just follow whoever they are bonded to most? Which I would assume would be an adult, provided that is who in the home does the feeding, walking (if they are not allowed to roam freely in the yard, or something) etc...but then again, all dogs are going to behave and react differently, so I think it’s impossible to predict. Just thinking out loud, as I did have a conversation with mom yesterday about doggo’s habits and told her about this case.

Edit to add: something I saw from another poster just reminded me of something. In high school, my best friend’s family dog would follow/accompany her on her 10-15min walk to school ... and then the dog would return home right after. That dog wasn’t particularly protective or bonded, and there were maybe 5 people in the home. My friend was the lucky one who got the escort to school, lol.

We live in a rural area and have a livestock guard dog. He’s a giant and intimidating to look at it, but has never once barked to alert us to visitors or strangers.

 

[everybodhi]

In your opinion do you think she wandered off? I'm only giving this option because if you believe TBI are laying all their cards on the table, then abduction is out also.

Why do you think abduction is out?
FBI deploys specialized team of child abduction experts to assist in Search for Summer Wells | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

 

[helpfulcharlie]

This is my first post so forgive me if I misstate anything. If Summer is in the wooded area would the search dogs have picked up her scent by now? (I know nothing about search dogs.) Is it still possible she could be in the wooded area or is there little or no possibility of that now?

I would imagine the statistical likelihood of her being alive in the woods at this point are pretty slim. I would also imagine, based on the intensity of the search efforts, that being deceased in the woods would have a good likelihood of being found by now, or at least some sort of hits from cadaver dogs leaning towards closer inspection. Which, to me, leaves two options - the abductor theory and the disposed-of-elsewhere theory. Within the abductor theory, I lean way more toward someone known to her and the family than to a stranger. Oh to be a fly on the wall in this investigation.

 

[kkdj]

I too grew up just like this family when I was 4-5 years old.

I was always barefoot, wandered. But I can't recall if I always did within my parents rule. I would be gone for HOURS......... even at that age. That was back in the early 60's.

I look back on such... for that time....... and years and years after.. that I was OFTEN in the woods.

And when I was in my 30's... had my family members kiddos on a vacay with just me.. and allowed them to venture. ALONE in the woods.

I cannot imagine if something happened to my niece and her friend that were young children. But I did indeed allow them in the 80's to venture in the woods as I did.

So, one would not be concerned if you as a child or your family members kiddos were gone for long periods as I understand you.
With that being said, why was this family so concerned so quickly?
I recall as a child my family would go to the mountains. My siblings and I would wander all over the place for hours. We would come back to the cabin when the sun was coming down.
Why were these parents so concerned so quickly under their usual rural living conditions?

 

[Lusitana]

I really think she’s in the woods. Poor baby.

 

[rkendmar]

Why do you think abduction is out?
FBI deploys specialized team of child abduction experts to assist in Search for Summer Wells | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

The FBI CARD team is also called for "mysterious disappearances of children."
FBI deploys specialized team of child abduction experts to assist in Search for Summer Wells | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

 

[TwoBlueJays]

rgreene wrote on Thread 3:
QUOTE "I think a person with a fragile ego often takes criticisms harshly and place a high value on the approval of others.
I also think a person with a fragile ego would find it extremely difficult to report a tragic accident because they would fear judgement. They would go to great lengths to protect themselves."

I think this is a great comment and nails a big part of CW's difficulty dealing with exposing herself to the public where, already, social media has gone on the attack. Like some other parents with missing children, she may feel some guilt due to being "on duty" when Summer went missing. The family now has CPS visiting them and she may also be in fear that her other children might be removed from the home if they find her lacking in any way at all. I think for reasons such as these, she is suffering severely right now. I know some in the public might translate this into "She doesn't care about her Summer or her other kids" and "She's only thinking of herself" But I think right now, she is incapable of dealing with being in the public spotlight.
" I think a person with a fragile ego often takes criticisms harshly..."
And people who are criticized a lot throughout their lives develop fragile egos.
It's a vicious circle.

So, one would not be concerned if you as a child or your family members kiddos were gone for long periods as I understand you.
With that being said, why was this family so concerned so quickly?
I recall as a child my family would go to the mountains. My siblings and I would wander all over the place for hours. We would come back to the cabin when the sun was coming down.
Why were these parents so concerned so quickly under their rural living conditions?

I thought this too until I checked the larger area around their property. There are woods, but directly northwest is a main road, and there are neighbors not far away. They live in a rural area but they aren't alone in the middle of acres of woods. So maybe that's why the parents were worried.

 

[FlossyMay]

I keep thinking of Noah Chamberlain. He wandered off while his grandmother was tying his sister's shoe or something of the sort. He was only 2 years old and he made it a mile and a half before he succumbed to the elements. I imagine a 5 year old could make it a lot farther than that. This is my best guess as to what happened, but it's certainly not the only possibility.

 

[EveningSolace]

Just one of the hundred+ agencies assisting in search.

Nashville police help in search for AMBER Alert subject Summer Wells

Many thanks to every last one of them.

 

[everybodhi]

The FBI CARD team is also called for "mysterious disappearances of children."
FBI deploys specialized team of child abduction experts to assist in Search for Summer Wells | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

So that means abduction is out?
ETA: "In the above quote, he said the team provides assistance in cases of “non-family abductions” as well as instances of ransom abductions and other mysterious child disappearances."

 

[NoSI]

most people whos can't immediately find a child at home don't immediately assume the child is missing to the extent of needing police assistance, i suspect without a specific reason most would start looking, calling and trying to figure out where the said child may have gone, not my child is in immediate danger call 911.
as kids my siblings and i grew up in a small (now sadly infamous village Kendall where william tyrell vanished) during holidays we and our friends would ride our bikes all over the place often not returning home till dinner time, my brother was 6 when he started coming on our adventures.... we rarely had specific plans and our parents rarely worried when we were gone for hours on end.
i think Summers mum probably spent more time looking than she said to her husband and only once it became very apparent her little girl wasn't anywhere she could imagine then panic set in.
with that no doubt she may feel guilt that she didn't get help sooner
assuming every parent will react the same way is unhelpful and unnecessary... city parents have different worries to country parents and environmental and situational awareness will alway colour someone's response.

there seems to be an exponentially large SO population in the area and what i find scary is that is the known registered SOs
how many are there living under the radar ?

Well, i am a bit of a catastrophizer unfortunately. I am working on it, but i may have a difficult time not jumping to that conclusion almost involuntarily. But i know and agree with what you are saying. I am not the norm... hopefully...

But no.... I would not call LE right away.... I would search, call neighbors, call my husband... look again... and then call LE...

 

[SusieQbeam]

I don't have any serious issue with the story that she wandered off by herself into the woods to play, but that's not the story DW gave, he explicitly said paraphrasing "She wouldn't do that". The original story was that she was out of sight for minutes not hours and there now appears to be a discrepancy in the timeline.

"She was snatched." As I recall. Please Lord God Almighty let today be the day Summer Moon is found. AIMOO

 

[TwoBlueJays]

One thing that I've been wondering about.
It's been reported by the parents and other sources that by the time DW arrived home, neighbors were there and had been out looking for Summer, yelling for her, checking the woods, etc.
IF Summer was abducted by someone nearby, a neighbor for example, in the early afternoon as has been said in pressers, they would have had the opportunity to leave with her and come back and pretend to search.
Edited to add: did the mother call all the neighbors asking if they'd seen Summer? We know that she called her pastor who went to help look.
Moo

 

[Skigh]

I too grew up just like this family when I was 4-5 years old.

I was always barefoot, wandered. But I can't recall if I always did within my parents rule. I would be gone for HOURS......... even at that age. That was back in the early 60's.

I look back on such... for that time....... and years and years after.. that I was OFTEN in the woods.

And when I was in my 30's... had my family members kiddos on a vacay with just me.. and allowed them to venture. ALONE in the woods.

I cannot imagine if something happened to my niece and her friend that were young children. But I did indeed allow them in the 80's to venture in the woods as I did.

In areas where snakes live ,do families teach children not to go barefoot in certain areas? Being in England we only have one variety of venomous snake so it is not really an issue

 

[EveningSolace]

So that means abduction is out?
ETA: "In the above quote, he said the team provides assistance in cases of “non-family abductions” as well as instances of ransom abductions and other mysterious child disappearances."

Not ruled out.

Case of missing Tennessee 5-year-old girl Summer Wells, Hawkins County

"Information about the search
Authorities said this week they are not ruling out an abduction. However, with no evidence to confirm an abduction happened, crews from across the region are continuing to search."

 

[rkendmar]

So that means abduction is out?

IIRC, in the previous press conferences, TBI indicated an abduction was unlikely...but all options were still on the table.