Tool expert, weapons expert and veterinarian -- your thoughts?

[debbie0604]

My thoughts on the tools and weapon expert has to do with the type of tool used to cut the duct tape, and perhaps other clothing was cut (not sure). The weapon expert could be called for the household weapons search online, and what kind of weapons could have been used for murder. The vet (which will probably include a wildlife expert as well) could be called for the different animals in the woods - snake, squirrels, fish, and the other different animals (that I hate to think about) that disarticulated the remains. The SA will need the testimony of these experts to describe the trauma to the bones as opposed to if it could be due to a household weapon. If they are describing a specific household weapon, the SA will need that experts testimony as to whether or not that weapon would create "soft tissue injury" substantial enough to cause death that now is not evident due to the nature of decomposition.

Also, the clothing in the bag can contain other items that could contain yorkie hair (I had a yorkie for 15 years and he shed hair).

 

[Dear Prudence]

Tool/Weapon Expert = Shovel
Vet/Wildlife Expert = Snake

Don't have any reasons why I think this. It's just my gut feeling....lol...sorry.

 

[fortytwo]

from personal experience I have tried Special K and it is more of a hallucinigen(spelling) this was back a few years ago in club days I don't use it and I have only tried it once because I worked for a VET and had access to the ketamine so yes it is possible that was what was in that syringe without a needle that could be why the vet is being called in

The other thing is fish and wildlife- maybe to determine what the other animals bones were to give proof to Kiomaries testimony that they used to bury hamsters there, so that would make her story credible since she sold it to NE

I also believe the tool mark expert is there to discuss the knives the one found in her car and the one at the crime scene maybe it soes have something to do with the duct tape how it was cut, then again if she did stab her a toolmark expert would be able to show evidence if she hit a bone

snipped

this case is making my mind mush... was there a knife found at the crime scene?

Wheeee!!!

Here we go again.

 

[okiedokietoo]

http://law.jrank.org/pages/12036/Crime-Laboratories.html
"quoted from articles"
Firearms and toolmark identification
Toolmark identification also falls to firearm specialists. Tools such as prying instruments, screwdrivers, and metal bars, or weapons like knives or axes leave identifying marks. Whether on a safe, a door, or a body, toolmarks help identify specific weapons. Tools generally have trace evidence, such as metal shavings, paint, or in the case of a human victim, blood or other biological substances.

http://www.accessarkansas.org/crimelab/sections/firearms/
Arkansas State Crime Laboratory
Firearms / Toolmarks
Also by using a comparison microscope, an examiner compares the markings left at crime scenes by tools such as bolt cutters, screwdrivers, pry bars, knives, etc. to test markings made by the examiner using tools submitted by various police agencies.

 

[mitzi]

Casey had a friend in her contacts named special k. I cannot remember if that was Tony the cop?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...l+k&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

IIRC, special K was a friend of KC's...Stephanie, who was a manager at an Amscot...not sure if it was "the" Amscot.

 

[~ Amy ~]

Could the vet on the states witness list be related to the "so called squirrel " that she told AH about ? IIRC KC told AH about the bad smell and then later she said there was definitely a dead animal plastered to her car. Would a vet be the person to call as a witness in order to affirm or deny this story?

 

[Monkey*]

Hi Monkey and welcome to WS!! Are you a vet?

Thanks for the welcome. I'm not a vet, but I own a veterinary practice and have worked in the veterinary medicine field for 25 years.

 

[Monkey*]

Do we have a name for the vet, or any specifics about their specialty/area of expertise?

IF the vet is being called in because of ketamine (all of that is a BIG IF), it's more likely it's because the ketamine was stolen from that vet. You don't really need a vet to testify about that drug, other toxicology experts would be a better choice imo.

I only have a few minutes to lurk here in the mornings or else I would try to find out if there's more info on the vet.

 

[SoSueMe]

I've heard of small animals crawling up into cars in winter, but have never heard of them doing this in the summer heat. Perhaps the vet is going to simply testify that squirrels would not do this.

Does anyone know if this might be the family vet the Anthony's used?

 

[Friptzap]

Do we have a name for the vet, or any specifics about their specialty/area of expertise?

IF the vet is being called in because of ketamine (all of that is a BIG IF), it's more likely it's because the ketamine was stolen from that vet. You don't really need a vet to testify about that drug, other toxicology experts would be a better choice imo.

I only have a few minutes to lurk here in the mornings or else I would try to find out if there's more info on the vet.

Oh come on why would someone involved in this case steal something? That seems far fetched...

oops sorry my sarcasm button is stuck.

Excelent point about the fact the theft could be from that vet, but why call them an expert witness? Wouldn't they just be a regular witness for the prosecution?

 

[txsvicki]

I'm wondering if the weapon, tool, and vet experts are to testify about the manner of death and the things used. Casey did look up household weapons, a tool, and chloroform inhalants. My theory was that she caused the death in the trunk by making up an apparatus with those sprayers or silver thing LE took from the home. Maybe the manner was similar to what Vets use or the snake ate a small animal and then died itself.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I've heard of small animals crawling up into cars in winter, but have never heard of them doing this in the summer heat. Perhaps the vet is going to simply testify that squirrels would not do this.

Does anyone know if this might be the family vet the Anthony's used?

Now that is interesting and something I didn't think of, using the vet to show that squirrels don't by nature crawl up into car engines. I am still thinking about a match of the dog hair and dog hair found at crime scene, but anything's possible.

 

[static]

Now that is interesting and something I didn't think of, using the vet to show that squirrels don't by nature crawl up into car engines. I am still thinking about a match of the dog hair and dog hair found at crime scene, but anything's possible.

Do you think they would need a vet to identify dog hair? Couldn't the forensics unit do that?

 

[awakewriter]

Vet

The vet could be called in to identify any tiny bones found at the crime scene that were not human bones.

Casey and her childhood friends may have buried pets in the area where Caylee's remains were found, according to LE interviews.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

JMHO of course and we are just theorizing at this point. The weapons expert in my opinion has been brought in due to the fact that Dr. G did not and will not comment on post mortem trauma to the bones or skeleton, also the Death Penalty being put back on the table leads me to theorize once Caylee had died and no longer breathing, Caylee's body might have been hacked into pieces. Again, JMO.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I still wonder why KC googled shovel, everyone knows what a shovel is so why google it and what the importance of that will be at trial.

I thought the same thing. It makes no sense, to me at least. I goggled it and came up with the obvious, I only checked the first google page but I doubt that KC dug thru to goggle's page 20 for "shovel" ????? IDK jmo

 

[Forensic fan]

I thought the same thing. It makes no sense, to me at least. I goggled it and came up with the obvious, I only checked the first google page but I doubt that KC dug thru to goggle's page 20 for "shovel" ????? IDK jmo

I just googled it also, there is a movie called "The Shovel", you know how KC loves her movies.theshovelmovie.com

 

[doogiesgirl]

Casey had a friend in her contacts named special k. I cannot remember if that was Tony the cop?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...l+k&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Thank you for that link. I don't remember seeing her phone contacts(maybe this was released when I made myself take a break from the case?). There is a Special K. I also noticed a "Rob a villas" and a number for "Enterprise" (why would KC have a number in her phone bank for a car rental place?) and of course "Jeff Hopkins" is listed as #56. Do these phones store the date that a contact was entered? I am curious to know when Jeff Hopkins number was entered. B/c if it was entered months before that could go to pre-meditation and if entered in June or July that is also damning.

We need more info to know what the tool expert will be used for and we need to know the full ME report to know if the bones showed any kind of markings. Does anyone think we will get this before trial?

Is the ME allowed to give LE/SA verbal info that isn't required to be written in the official report? Is there any way around holding back certain evidence so that the defense doesn't know about it until very late in the game? Anyone know? jmo

 

[Monkey*]

Excelent point about the fact the theft could be from that vet, but why call them an expert witness? Wouldn't they just be a regular witness for the prosecution?

Yeah, you're right. I wish I had more time to find out details about the vet.

 

[treeseeker]

Perhaps the vet takes care of the cadaver dogs. IIRC, one defense tactic is to challenge the dogs' health and physical condition and any affect on performance.