Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias - What do you believe?

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There have been 28 executions in Arizona since 1976, when capital punishment was resumed in the US. All of whom have been men, and about half of these defendants murdered two or more individuals. There are currently 138 convicts on death row in AZ now. AZ ranks 12th in the US out of the states that currently has the death penalty, and seems to have an average number of convicts on death row.

To contrast, California ranks 17th in the US, has executed less than half individuals since 1976, but holds over 700 convicts on death row!

So, right off the bat, even statistically speaking, it appears to me that Jodi's chance of getting the death penalty is rather slim. It would be interesting to see how many other people are serving life sentences in AZ. I think it would be safe to say that Jodi, even under the worst defense scenario, would never see the death penalty, even if she was sentenced, and in my opinion even that seems implausible.

It is clear that she screwed herself by talking to the media and changing her story, but as we saw in the CA trial, even a terrible attorney can explain this behavior away rather quickly, and deflate the prosecution's ballon somewhat. We already know she is a liar, but so what. The evidence in the crime is very strong against her, but that does not mean that the self-defense scenario cannot be presented, or at least cast in the minds of the jury that it was possible. Abuse can take many forms-- I think a well-crafted defense might be able to show some flimsy evidence of emotional and psychological abuse. Sexual or physical-- not so much, but maybe at least enough to cast some reasonable doubt. Even throwing it out there might cast doubt (i.e. Scott Peterson's jury considered the satanic ritual abduction theory that Geragos threw out there as a possibility, although this evaporated once their defense was put on).

With the defense playing the self-defense card, I think it puts the prosecution in the place of proving that self-defense DID NOT occur, to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Putting on a self-defense theory defense, could very well at least change the jury instruction to consider convicting her of a lesser charge.

Now here is an example, although the elements of a crime are quite different: Andrew Wirth (look up the case, it is not that interesting, but nonetheless). Wirth was charged with First Degree murder for the fatal shooting of an off duty female police officer who pinched his butt at a bar, as well as her boyfriend. Let's just say Wirth brought a gun to a knife fight, and shot the cop's boyfriend. The defense presented a very flimsy self-defense theory (it was on truTV), and the first degree murder charge did not stick at all. He was convicted of two counts of "homicide by the negligent handling of a firearm," faced 20 years max, and even with a previous record, received 10 years in the clink and 10 years probation.

So, Jodi Arias should be banging her head against the wall by now :banghead: because she talked too much and didn't claim self-defense all along-- because it is her best chance to avoid a life sentence, and possibly get out in 20-30 years or so. This being, just my two cents.
 
Ok I take that back about getting sentenced to only 20-30 years.
 
The judge in the Jodi Arias murder case will determine Tuesday when the trial will begin.

Jury selection for the Arias murder trial had been set to begin February 21, but now the trial will be delayed after an attorney for Arias withdrew from the case. On December 23, Arias’ death penalty qualified public defender, Victoria Washington, withdrew from the case. A death penalty qualified defense attorney helps with jury selection, and will play a major role during the sentencing phase if Arias is convicted of first-degree murder.

Judge*Sherry Stephens will decide Tuesday just how much time a new attorney will need to get up to speed. There’s been a lot speculation about the delay, with some guessing it will only be a couple months and others predicting Arias’ trial may not start until 2013. But the judge is the one who gets to decide and Stephens has said the delay will be brief.

The hearing Tuesday is expected to cover these three issues:

Appoint a new public defender
Address motion to dismiss, dealing with the death penalty
Set a new trial date
There is also a hearing scheduled for Wednesday, January 4, but that hearing may not take place if court wraps all of its issues on Tuesday.

Click here to read why the Arias trial may be the biggest trial of the year.

Arias is on trial for the 2008 killing of her former boyfriend Travis Alexander. His body was found in the shower of his Mesa, Arizona, bathroom with his throat cut from ear to ear, a gunshot wound to his face and 27 stab wounds all over his body, police say.

The hearing to determine the start date for the murder trial will be held Tuesday morning at 10:30 a.m ET.* Be sure to tune in to HLN and In Session for the latest!
 
I just found the above article posted a few hours ago. I can't believe this! 2013? Seriously?!?!
 
There have been 28 executions in Arizona since 1976, when capital punishment was resumed in the US. All of whom have been men, and about half of these defendants murdered two or more individuals. There are currently 138 convicts on death row in AZ now. AZ ranks 12th in the US out of the states that currently has the death penalty, and seems to have an average number of convicts on death row.

To contrast, California ranks 17th in the US, has executed less than half individuals since 1976, but holds over 700 convicts on death row!

So, right off the bat, even statistically speaking, it appears to me that Jodi's chance of getting the death penalty is rather slim. It would be interesting to see how many other people are serving life sentences in AZ. I think it would be safe to say that Jodi, even under the worst defense scenario, would never see the death penalty, even if she was sentenced, and in my opinion even that seems implausible.

It is clear that she screwed herself by talking to the media and changing her story, but as we saw in the CA trial, even a terrible attorney can explain this behavior away rather quickly, and deflate the prosecution's ballon somewhat. We already know she is a liar, but so what. The evidence in the crime is very strong against her, but that does not mean that the self-defense scenario cannot be presented, or at least cast in the minds of the jury that it was possible. Abuse can take many forms-- I think a well-crafted defense might be able to show some flimsy evidence of emotional and psychological abuse. Sexual or physical-- not so much, but maybe at least enough to cast some reasonable doubt. Even throwing it out there might cast doubt (i.e. Scott Peterson's jury considered the satanic ritual abduction theory that Geragos threw out there as a possibility, although this evaporated once their defense was put on).

With the defense playing the self-defense card, I think it puts the prosecution in the place of proving that self-defense DID NOT occur, to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Putting on a self-defense theory defense, could very well at least change the jury instruction to consider convicting her of a lesser charge.

Now here is an example, although the elements of a crime are quite different: Andrew Wirth (look up the case, it is not that interesting, but nonetheless). Wirth was charged with First Degree murder for the fatal shooting of an off duty female police officer who pinched his butt at a bar, as well as her boyfriend. Let's just say Wirth brought a gun to a knife fight, and shot the cop's boyfriend. The defense presented a very flimsy self-defense theory (it was on truTV), and the first degree murder charge did not stick at all. He was convicted of two counts of "homicide by the negligent handling of a firearm," faced 20 years max, and even with a previous record, received 10 years in the clink and 10 years probation.

So, Jodi Arias should be banging her head against the wall by now :banghead: because she talked too much and didn't claim self-defense all along-- because it is her best chance to avoid a life sentence, and possibly get out in 20-30 years or so. This being, just my two cents.

Hi, MattFZ. Thanks for the useful death penalty statistics. In Jodi's case, a self-defense ploy would be weaker than for most other defendants. Not only is the evidence of sexual or other physical abuse relatively weak (she went out of her way to visit Travis and both were filmed naked on his bed just a few hours before) but Jodi's demeanor from the crime to the present has been consistently measured, strong, and assertive. The sense shared by Travis' friends that Jodi was virtually a stalker would not strengthen her case that he was a rapist.

AND A MAJOR POSTSCRIPT:
TRIAL SET FOR OCTOBER:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/01/03/jodi-arias-murder-trial-date?hpt=hp_bn13
 
Hi, MattFZ. Thanks for the useful death penalty statistics. In Jodi's case, a self-defense ploy would be weaker than for most other defendants. Not only is the evidence of sexual or other physical abuse relatively weak (she went out of her way to visit Travis and both were filmed naked on his bed just a few hours before) but Jodi's demeanor from the crime to the present has been consistently measured, strong, and assertive. The sense shared by Travis' friends that Jodi was virtually a stalker would not strengthen her case that he was a rapist.

AND A MAJOR POSTSCRIPT:
TRIAL SET FOR OCTOBER:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/01/03/jodi-arias-murder-trial-date?hpt=hp_bn13

You are absolutely right, the self-defense ploy would be an uphill battle. I'm afraid that a public defender wouldn't have the resources or skill to successfully pull off such a defense. For Jodi's sake, she better pray that someone ponies up some money for some high profile attorney, or she's toast. Anyone have any insight from other cases of a high profile attorney who took on a case completely pro-bono simply because of the media attention generated?

Vinnie Politan had a piece on this case on HLN recently and he had on two defense attorneys (one was Joey Jackson, cant remember the other one).... they both said that this case was "defensible" but didn't go beyond that. Self-defense is a stretch, and the forensics appear solid. Where else could a defense attorney go? I have some ideas, but someone else give some....
 
Crime of passion? The brutality and hatred that was inflicted on him, makes me want to faint.


She just makes my blood run cold. Really cold.


Her actions afterwards, well, I have heard "ugly coping" ad nauseum for what 6 weeks ,in another ahem, case.
 
You are absolutely right, the self-defense ploy would be an uphill battle. I'm afraid that a public defender wouldn't have the resources or skill to successfully pull off such a defense. For Jodi's sake, she better pray that someone ponies up some money for some high profile attorney, or she's toast. Anyone have any insight from other cases of a high profile attorney who took on a case completely pro-bono simply because of the media attention generated?

Vinnie Politan had a piece on this case on HLN recently and he had on two defense attorneys (one was Joey Jackson, cant remember the other one).... they both said that this case was "defensible" but didn't go beyond that. Self-defense is a stretch, and the forensics appear solid. Where else could a defense attorney go? I have some ideas, but someone else give some....

Hi, MattFZ. With the nude photographs and the amorous communications certain to be introduced anyway (and the rape/pedophile ploy having failed), Jodi's defense might contend that s&m sex play was part of their repertoire. She might say that on this occasion, Travis took it overboard, crossing a line from simulation into sheer terror.

Of course, there are real problems with this. Most of the struggle took place in or in close proximity to the bathroom shortly after Travis showers. The location and the circumstances (the photograph taken of him in the shower and the use of two weapons) more likely indicates that he was attacked while being relatively defenseless, not that Jodi was cornered.

That won't work as a defense either, but they have to use what they have.
 
Hi, MattFZ. With the nude photographs and the amorous communications certain to be introduced anyway (and the rape/pedophile ploy having failed), Jodi's defense might contend that s&m sex play was part of their repertoire. She might say that on this occasion, Travis took it overboard, crossing a line from simulation into sheer terror.

Of course, there are real problems with this. Most of the struggle took place in or in close proximity to the bathroom shortly after Travis showers. The location and the circumstances (the photograph taken of him in the shower and the use of two weapons) more likely indicates that he was attacked while being relatively defenseless, not that Jodi was cornered.

That won't work as a defense either, but they have to use what they have.

hmm, hypothetically some sort of S&M defense almost fits with the facts of the case, except for the sheer brutality of the murder, as it goes beyond the pale of what a typical person would do in self-defense. Certainly fear of public embarrassment could explain away the changing stories as the evidence came out, especially once you throw in Jodi's (supposed) religious convictions. It might explain the sloppy cover up and sudden flight.

Now remind me.. will the evidence show that the post-mortem digital photos were taken from the camera on the floor accidentally, or on the timer function? I remember the phrase "due to the configuration of the camera" in one of the court docs. And was it ever conclusive where the murder weapons came from? (i.e. was the knife brought by Jodi or retrieved by her from Travis' home)

On a side note, while searching for the correct spelling of "post-mortem" I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-mortem_photography
interesting.
 
hmm, hypothetically some sort of S&M defense almost fits with the facts of the case, except for the sheer brutality of the murder, as it goes beyond the pale of what a typical person would do in self-defense. Certainly fear of public embarrassment could explain away the changing stories as the evidence came out, especially once you throw in Jodi's (supposed) religious convictions. It might explain the sloppy cover up and sudden flight.

Now remind me.. will the evidence show that the post-mortem digital photos were taken from the camera on the floor accidentally, or on the timer function? I remember the phrase "due to the configuration of the camera" in one of the court docs. And was it ever conclusive where the murder weapons came from? (i.e. was the knife brought by Jodi or retrieved by her from Travis' home)

On a side note, while searching for the correct spelling of "post-mortem" I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-mortem_photography
interesting.

Hi, MattFZ. The S&M defense wouldn't be so weak if the murder had occurred in the bedroom or if the photographs featured bondage, which as far as we know, isn't the case. As it is, Travis is the cornered one, naked, essentially defenseless, and probably immobilized by Jodi's picture-taking not long before the attack.

I suspect that we will never know exactly why the picture of bloodied Travis was accidentally taken.

Nineteenth century post-mortem photographs can be beautiful or eerie. I collect old cabinet cards and CDVs and have an old awe-striking card of an attractive young woman who looks as if she is asleep, but almost certainly is dead. In many cases, these pictures were the only photos of the recently deceased child or adult.
 
WOW is all I can say when I saw this on the network news the other day.... I remember watching possibly Dateline or 48 Hours about this horrific murder about 3 years ago!! I remember her face and that evil she had in her eyes and her lame excuse of how she traveled back to Travis' house... For it to hit the headlines after all this time renewed my interest so anyone and everyone out there please enlighten me!! I know she is GUILTY and set up the murder (which if I remember correctly was in the shower?) and to hear she is possibly claiming Self Defense absolutely blows my MIND!! No wonder they had to postpone the trial date due to Attorneys, SHE IS A CRAZY NUTJOB!! Thanks for letting me post and please bring on the posts!! Ann :banghead: :furious:
 
WOW is all I can say when I saw this on the network news the other day.... I remember watching possibly Dateline or 48 Hours about this horrific murder about 3 years ago!! I remember her face and that evil she had in her eyes and her lame excuse of how she traveled back to Travis' house... For it to hit the headlines after all this time renewed my interest so anyone and everyone out there please enlighten me!! I know she is GUILTY and set up the murder (which if I remember correctly was in the shower?) and to hear she is possibly claiming Self Defense absolutely blows my MIND!! No wonder they had to postpone the trial date due to Attorneys, SHE IS A CRAZY NUTJOB!! Thanks for letting me post and please bring on the posts!! Ann :banghead: :furious:

I too saw this 3 years ago on 48 hours mystery. In case you didn't know, there will be a book written about this case, probably after Jodi's trial is over with.

The woman writing it is based out of Arizona.

I wonder if this is going to be the cover of her true crime book?

http://www.shannahogan.com/?page_id=393
 
Does anyone have a link to the 48 Hours episode that aired about this case 3 or so years ago?
 
I too saw this 3 years ago on 48 hours mystery. In case you didn't know, there will be a book written about this case, probably after Jodi's trial is over with.

The woman writing it is based out of Arizona.

I wonder if this is going to be the cover of her true crime book?

http://www.shannahogan.com/?page_id=393

AWESOME!! It sure looks like she has it all covered..... Jodi is the true Narcissist and believes she did NADA... This young beautiful girl believes she was the center of attention by her beauty and believes she did no WRONG!! OH WOOO is Jodi!! Take Care, can't want for the trial to move forward!! Ann
 
Does anyone have a link to the 48 Hours episode that aired about this case 3 or so years ago?

For some reason it's not under the Full Episode list. Maybe they are going to update the old episode.

Hopefully, It will air soon so you can watch it.
 
For some reason it's not under the Full Episode list. Maybe they are going to update the old episode.

Hopefully, It will air soon so you can watch it.

I bookmarked the episode and it is not available. I agree, I hope that it gets updated. I also checked the link to a shortened version and the page comes up but it doesn't play.
 
I bookmarked the episode and it is not available. I agree, I hope that it gets updated. I also checked the link to a shortened version and the page comes up but it doesn't play.

48 Hours pulled the episode, due to her lying about the entire situation. And that she's now changed her story to self-defense, they can no longer air it, being that it could interfere with her right to a fair trial..
 
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