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I wanted to quickly say, Thank you for all the transcriptions of their correspondence:Text, email...(it's hard to keep track) and that I feel that there is a lesson for us. In attempting to understand this relationship and what led to Travis's murder, the lreal esson is Jodi. and her personality defect/disorder. I f you
come into contact with a someone who lies and steals and lies in the face of truth and facts....Just Run! Don't try to make sense, just get out of the relationship. A sociopath gives a warning, a red flag, and this is it. Convoluted stories and lies that make no sense. Abuse of trust and frienship. Distortion of truth and facts. It's all here. I hope we learn from it because people like Jodi Arias are among us just waiting to take advantage of any situation. So just Walk the other way.
Respectfully, it isn't as simple as that. There are certainly red flags but so many of these are covert, insidious and take time to be revealed. Because you don't see their true self, your mind makes up excuses and justifications for things that seem odd. By the time you're learning about their lies, you've very likely already been a victim of psychological abuse. By the time you see the 'real' them, you're sometimes already trapped since they'll know everything about you and also know exactly what weapons to use to manipulate you into staying in the relationship. In my opinion, this is exactly what happened to Travis.

I believe psychopaths deliberately target people who are, in some way, vulnerable. The beginning of a romantic relationship with a psychopath is utterly intoxicating. They use a technique called 'love-bombing' to make you feel as if you're the center of the very universe. You've never felt more loved or important than when you're being targeted by a psychopath. Meeting a psychopath in person is nothing like reading about one - many are gregarious, charming, warm and friendly. But, just like any other abusive personality, their relationships follow similar patterns - one of the absolute biggest warning signs are when they seek to escalate the relationship very quickly. Even without their lies being exposed though, you'll notice small things first - like them telling you how much they miss you when you're hanging out with friends (guilting you into self-imposed isolation) or you may notice your keys missing; they'll 'suggest' what you should wear; they'll call you repeatedly and show signs of what looks like insecurity. It's all a quest for control.

To avoid a psychopath altogether, I say: trust your gut. If something feels off or someone seems too good to be true, it very often is just that. If your gut fails you but the person you're interested in is always in victim mode, he's hesitant for you to meet his friends or family, he tells you how wonderful you are all the time but makes you feel guilty or ashamed for living your life, and he's way, way more into you than anyone has been (and is talking marriage by date three) I'd be very, very cautious proceeding with the relationship. If you stay in the relationship, it will really only just get worse. There is no 'fixing' a psychopath - you cannot love them enough, you cannot right the wrongs life has dealt them.

The only way I know of to cut ties with a psychopath is a very strict policy of no contact. If you don't engage, you can't be manipulated, guilted, shamed, threatened, etc. They lose their power and control - although, you also have to be very careful during this phase because psychopaths will often 'up the ante' to try and reestablish control.

JMO and FWIW
 
Respectfully, it isn't as simple as that. There are certainly red flags but so many of these are covert, insidious and take time to be revealed. Because you don't see their true self, your mind makes up excuses and justifications for things that seem odd. By the time you're learning about their lies, you've very likely already been a victim of psychological abuse. By the time you see the 'real' them, you're sometimes already trapped since they'll know everything about you and also know exactly what weapons to use to manipulate you into staying in the relationship. In my opinion, this is exactly what happened to Travis.

I believe psychopaths deliberately target people who are, in some way, vulnerable. The beginning of a romantic relationship with a psychopath is utterly intoxicating. They use a technique called 'love-bombing' to make you feel as if you're the center of the very universe. You've never felt more loved or important than when you're being targeted by a psychopath. Meeting a psychopath in person is nothing like reading about one - many are gregarious, charming, warm and friendly. But, just like any other abusive personality, their relationships follow similar patterns - one of the absolute biggest warning signs are when they seek to escalate the relationship very quickly. Even without their lies being exposed though, you'll notice small things first - like them telling you how much they miss you when you're hanging out with friends (guilting you into self-imposed isolation) or you may notice your keys missing; they'll 'suggest' what you should wear; they'll call you repeatedly and show signs of what looks like insecurity. It's all a quest for control.

To avoid a psychopath altogether, I say: trust your gut. If something feels off or someone seems too good to be true, it very often is just that. If your gut fails you but the person you're interested in is always in victim mode, he's hesitant for you to meet his friends or family, he tells you how wonderful you are all the time but makes you feel guilty or ashamed for living your life, and he's way, way more into you than anyone has been (and is talking marriage by date three) I'd be very, very cautious proceeding with the relationship. If you stay in the relationship, it will really only just get worse. There is no 'fixing' a psychopath - you cannot love them enough, you cannot right the wrongs life has dealt them.

The only way I know of to cut ties with a psychopath is a very strict policy of no contact. If you don't engage, you can't be manipulated, guilted, shamed, threatened, etc. They lose their power and control - although, you also have to be very careful during this phase because psychopaths will often 'up the ante' to try and reestablish control.

JMO and FWIW



BritsKate..... I'm glad you posted here some of your insights into psychopathic behavior---it provides a really useful context for the content of this thread. :)


Have you read the May 26th chat? {on page 9 (both TA and JA) and page 10 (just JA)}. I've wondered what manipulations you'd be able to spot, but can absolutely understand if you didn't want to read the thing. It is painful.
 
BritsKate..... I'm glad you posted here some of your insights into psychopathic behavior---it provides a really useful context for the content of this thread. :)


Have you read the May 26th chat? {on page 9 (both TA and JA) and page 10 (just JA)}. I've wondered what manipulations you'd be able to spot, but can absolutely understand if you didn't want to read the thing. It is painful.
Out of 15 pages, reading backwards, I couldn't get past page 14 without manipulation already being evident. Specifically passive aggressive behavior on Jodi's part. There's also guilting, shaming, deflection and blame shifting long before you get near 9 and 10. Her need for incessant admiration and reassurance is pretty blatant too.

On 9 and 10...Travis is obviously frustrated. He wants her to say a certain thing and she just refuses to budge (that she isn't sorry). She also blames him (albeit indirectly) for her failure to answer him and for her lack of sex drive. She tries to pull him back in by telling him things like he's the last person she's been intimate with, if being Travis' *advertiser censored* is wrong she doesn't wanna be right, and her long diatribe about feeling loved by him (that's the push/pull I talk about often). You also see her idealizing him, playing to his ego - basically calling him a drug.

What you can really see is an overall cycle of manipulation - she starts out trying to avoid, then deflect, then guilt and shame, seek reassurance (really she wants him to let this go), blaming him, all before seeming to accept some culpability, then finally trying to reel him back in. Oh - and she's very good at changing the topic without Travis really calling her on it - she never did answer why she'd hacked his facebook, she just went on to say she sucked. But, no, she isn't manipulative in the least. ;)

JMO and HTH

ETA: I think a lot of folks probably would assume Jodi was depressed or had a low self-esteem because she so often said things like she sucked, was a bad influence, was an angel attracted to evil things (alrighty then) - essentially that she was worthless. Her actions don't match her words though - she never acted as though she was depressed or had a low self esteem so it, imo, makes comments like that used as manipulation very likely. Kinda like telling everyone and their dog that she was going to commit suicide repeatedly.
 
Juror13 (Lisa) transcribed the whole May 26th Gmail chat between Travis and JA:

https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/ja-and-ta-may-26-2008-gmail-chat-transcribed2.pdf

There is one line that sticks out to me. It's right after Travis saying that he asked her if she had any love for him she would tell him the truth, but she looked into his eyes and lied. Her response is if it was unconditional love it would have never hurt him. So...if he loved her unconditionally all of her emotional terrorism wouldn't hurt him? She's a nasty, nasty piece of work.
 
I believe it is against Websleuths terms of service for anything posted on this private forum to be copied and pasted to take to another site. Michelle L. from JAII did it, and even posted a link to this thread.
 
Wow. It's like... if she would've walked away, just left him alone.... it's so messed up. But I've had arguments in that I guess were kinda like that with boyfriends when I was a late teen to early twenties. I have to remind myself she's 27 when she wrote that. 26, 27. That's close to my age. And I haven't argued with a boyfriend like that in about a decade. Literally a decade. So the chat really shows emotional immaturity vs him trying to be nice. He was just trying to be a nice guy. Yeah, he got angry (haven't we all said thoughtless things in moments of extreme emotion ), but you can see her baiting him. Kinda like a kid throwing a tantrum or a teen pouting.
 
Will (in next weeks) repost new Travis texts here in batches.
 
From what the foreman said, the jury seemed to think a text exchange on December 7th 2008 was especially important. I'm pretty sure it was not directly referenced in the retrial. The tire slashings happened around that date, give or take a few days.

The foreman said the jury read all the texts exchanged during what might have been as many as 6 months- from December through June, but was at least for a whole month No doubt THAT helped them see interactions we haven't..... I wonder if we ever will see those texts?




Sorry to quote my own post, but...... The Dec 7 texts are about tire slashing etc.

The jury says they read texts from dec 7 through January and noticed no harsh words directed at the killer by T.

The jury mentioned a specific text they thought might be what triggered the May 26 war.....a text the killer apparently sent T, telling him she needed to speak to a Bishop, stat, about the sex.

The text must have been sent after March. Will post it when BK has it.
 
Good for resources and context, bad if your heart still hurts for Travis......


I thought I was over it - but reading the texts and such just really breaks my heart even more than it did when the trial was going on.
 
I thought I was over it - but reading the texts and such just really breaks my heart even more than it did when the trial was going on.

I really understand that. I read his texts, scrambling to make things right within himself and with the evil person who will kill him soon, and what I want most is to be able to hug him and tell him....you are better than OK, please please listen to all your friends who love you and who are telling you to get away from her.......
 
Good for resources and context, bad if your heart still hurts for Travis......

I'm a little late. Was thinking about TA. Glad the journals are out. just 12 entries? I found only 12 online. I can't see where they are on the reporter's site.
 
There is one line that sticks out to me. It's right after Travis saying that he asked her if she had any love for him she would tell him the truth, but she looked into his eyes and lied. Her response is if it was unconditional love it would have never hurt him. So...if he loved her unconditionally all of her emotional terrorism wouldn't hurt him? She's a nasty, nasty piece of work.

A lot of things stood out to me. Travis seemed to be referring to a lot of different things she said or did to him. But the latest was just the catalyst for the anger. JA is ruining his life because she won't let him have a relationship in peace, she's stalking him and going through his emails and facebook -- but he loves her. No matter how bad she was and how many people told him to leave her alone, he's angry with himself for loving a person like her.

He was on the chat, or whatever, waiting until she sent the email and she kept him waiting and waiting for some reason.

I personally don't think they had a lot of sex. I think they moved slow, she pressed with a lot of passive-aggressive temptation, and he resisted. They finally did it, which he considers "ruining" him and continuing to ruin him. He keeps going back for sex because he's addicted. I really think it was a bunch of heavy petting for a long time before she finally got him to have sex with her. He wanted to get married, and he didn't want to marry her. But she was always around, throwing that sex up in his face. He couldn't keep resisting, but once they started, he couldn't stop.

I don't know why, but I think he spent most of their relationship resisting sex, hence her and this "bad influence" mess. She said it a lot on the stand--talking about this resisting the sexual urges. She made it sound like they'd done it right away, but I'm telling you, i don't believe they did. Travis was sexually behind men she was used to because of his religion, and I think he didn't want to do it because he knew he wouldn't marry her; however, once it finally started....

I got a clue of this also from the sex phone call. The way they kept talking about old sex memories just gave me the feeling they weren't as involved sexually as she made it seems like. I don't know. It's been a long time since I thought about this. You guys tell me what you think.

It also sounds like she called him "and made sure he heard her voice." Odd statement. Unless she lied about "butt-dialing" and said something on the phone to indicate she was with another man or talking about something that had to do with Travis as if she didn't know she'd called him. Maybe she intentionally "butt-dialed" to get him to hear her doing something -- whatever that something is.

Reminds me of the Lifetime movie that acted as if the "something" was her in a sex video.

Am I making sense? What do you think?
 
I'm a little late. Was thinking about TA. Glad the journals are out. just 12 entries? I found only 12 online. I can't see where they are on the reporter's site.



? Which entries do you mean?
 
For some reason, I have the hardest time getting the post window to allow me to type. I have to refresh it a dozen times to make the white area appear. Otherwise, it's totally gray. Very strange.

Anyways, I see a place where I can view 12 entries, but I wanted to know if there was more. When I got to the reporter's site, it doesn't show me where I can see his journals. I'd pay for it, but there's no intro page that says, "here are the journal, register to see them." I'm not paying just to access her site. I only want to pay if I know the journals are there.

I found these pages by searching google:

http://www.nickvanderleek.com/2015/04/12-pages-from-travis-alexanders-journal.html

Is this all there is or where do I get the journals? How do I know that the reporter's site still has them if I pay for her site?
 
I'm reading through the March 08 texts. Not even halfway through and I see Travis talking to friends, inviting them over for cookie bakes, MMA events, and breakfasts. Jodi is never invited. It's her texting him about being bored at work and wanting to leave, her borrowing his car, and her trying to get his attention. I see nothing indicating he led her on. They barely seem like friends. Travis seemed like a great guy, full of life. I honestly don't know how Jodi could live with herself.

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