Travis Alexander's Journals and text messages

[janx]

JA's entire email of May 16 is on Court Chatter: http://www.courtchatter.com/2015/01/jodi-arias-email-to-travis-alexander.html

Here is a boiled-down, edited (by me) version:

E-mail from Jodi ‘CRYING” for recognition in his book; ragging on this relationship with Deanna; begging for recognition as his girlfriend: “But my cry for a little recognition comes from a place within me that feels it was never adequately gratified in that it thirsted to be validated not just as some girl friend that you associated with, but as your girlfriend.”

Don’t want to mention my name “because of the unwelcome crap and comments you receive by your friends, Chris and Sky Hughes.”

“When you are scrutinized, criticized and questioned about being my friend that’s one thing. It hurts us both, yes, but it is easily rectified by standing strong and firm in defense of our friendship. You've done that plenty of times. Even perhaps when I was undeserving of such defense. But when you have to censor our friendship for fear of the criticism you will receive as a result of it, then it becomes awkwardly and embarrassingly apparent that something is not right, especially when all it is, is a friendship. A friendship. We’re not secret lovers. It’s a friendship.”

Using the “proverbial scissors, cutting the proverbial strings of our friend ship. We remain friends only now because of our free will to do so, not because we feel as though we still tied to each other and have to because of some imagined obligation or nicety.”

That email has always creeped me out because its real purpose, obviously, was to try and keep the connection going. It's obsession in print. She would not let him go.

 

[Shadowboy]

That email has always creeped me out because its real purpose, obviously, was to try and keep the connection going. It's obsession in print. She would not let him go.

ITA. JA sends another "break up" email to TA May 22, at least according to her journal: Claims she had “the talk” with TA; talks, in her journal, about the stolen phone, hoping no one finds the “scandalous” text (my ADD: that SHE wrote) + phone sex recording.

And you're bang on ... In spite of saying, "I'm gone now," she continued to find reasons to keep calling and manipulating
TA.

 

[RickshawFan]

JA's entire email of May 16 is on Court Chatter: http://www.courtchatter.com/2015/01/jodi-arias-email-to-travis-alexander.html

Here is a boiled-down, edited (by me) version:

E-mail from Jodi ‘CRYING” for recognition in his book; ragging on this relationship with Deanna; begging for recognition as his girlfriend: “But my cry for a little recognition comes from a place within me that feels it was never adequately gratified in that it thirsted to be validated not just as some girl friend that you associated with, but as your girlfriend.”

Don’t want to mention my name “because of the unwelcome crap and comments you receive by your friends, Chris and Sky Hughes.”

“When you are scrutinized, criticized and questioned about being my friend that’s one thing. It hurts us both, yes, but it is easily rectified by standing strong and firm in defense of our friendship. You've done that plenty of times. Even perhaps when I was undeserving of such defense. But when you have to censor our friendship for fear of the criticism you will receive as a result of it, then it becomes awkwardly and embarrassingly apparent that something is not right, especially when all it is, is a friendship. A friendship. We’re not secret lovers. It’s a friendship.”

Using the “proverbial scissors, cutting the proverbial strings of our friend ship. We remain friends only now because of our free will to do so, not because we feel as though we still tied to each other and have to because of some imagined obligation or nicety.”

Jodi makes clear Travis never thought of or called her his girlfriend. Wow!

She also says they're not secret lovers. Well, there goes Fonseca's slime highway "dirty little secret".

Then there is way too much "both" and the overemphasis on the ties which bind them together, which also obviously don't exist chez Travis, since she can't seem to "knock" them into him.

I find most of this email unreadable. There is something terribly wrong with Jodi's head. I know she thinks it all says something, but it doesn't. It all winds around and around and around. She's evidently trying to persuade Travis about a variety of things, but how could anyone possibly be persuaded by this gobbledygook? Maybe she's on something?

Part of the problem, I think, is that Jodi is trying to argue abstracts and messes with semantics when, really, she isn't up to it. Maybe she has a slightly above average vocabulary (I'm not convinced it isn't just a "cut and paste" vocabulary and not real fluency), but her thinking skills aren't up to it. There are words, but zero sense!

At the same time, this verbosity is evidence of her sense of superiority: if Travis says he doesn't understand any of this, she will almost certainly cast him as stupid. Manipulation, manipulation..... Toss that in with her jabs at Deanna, which are almost certain to have risen Travis' hackles...

I'm not sure whether this kind of navel-gazing Jodi does has a psychological diagnosis attached to it, but it wouldn't surprise me. Narcissism in the extreme, but there must some other psychopathology going on here?

 

[Shadowboy]

I thought she left Mesa the first week in April?

I know this has been asked and answered elsewhere here on WS ... but what day did JA FINALLY get her sorry a$$ out of Mesa? (BBM) I'm assuming from the communications/journals it was April 7th?

If that's the correct date, what's interesting is that JA left TA with some kind of "bomb" as hauled her carcass into the sunset. Possibly the reason for TA's (reported) double-fingered salute as she drove away?

April 7th, Text message from TA to JA
He calls her out on imaginary friends knowing details about his life. Threatens to tell everybody about “all the crazy things you have done.”

By 7:52 pm that same day, they text back and forth pleasantly, JA is at her sister’s on her way Yreka, according to http://jodiariastrialtruth.blogspot.com/2014/12/timeline-of-journal-and-messages.html

4-07-2008 TEXT SESSION 7:52 pm
TA is texting Where are you? She says staying with her sister… It was a pleasant conversation back and forth. Ended with “enjoy yourself; will do.”

Hope reports JA left Mesa on April 8th (post #5 in this forum):
4/7 Text, TA to JA:
Don’t call. Don’t text me anything. The next text I want is this Michelle K that is friends with Elena that nobody knows but who knows details about my life. Not one other thing ever. (You have 15 minutes to reply) but you won’t Why. Because it’s a F’ing lie. So either tell me the truth or give me your imaginary friend with the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone. It’s a lie like no other.

5:27 You have screwed up your story so bad you can’t mend it. You have til tomorrow (to tell me) this person’s information before I tell the Hughes, Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents, and anyone that matters about all the crazy things you’ve done.

4/8 JA leaves Mesa. Says she accidentally destroyed her Motorola Razr phone in the UHaul, by dropping it in hot cocoa. Picks up the Helio phone from Gus on way back to Yreka.

April 8 (source is Audacity transcription)
TA Journal: “I want a girlfriend that has the potential to marry. Now that Jodi is gone and Deanna is moving, space is created, less drama can ensue. I miss Lisa."

I didn't ask this very clearly ... It seems JA left Mesa either April 7 or April 8. Does anyone know which date is correct? BBM (Not that it matters that much, but ... I'm a little OCD).

 

[I'mjazzed]

This one gave me chills!

"3:24 TA: You tried to murder me from the inside out..... how could you? Why did you manipulate me into loving you? I was a good guy. Why did you have to do it to me? Why did you hate me? What was your objective, what was the point?"

I feel so bad for Travis! He tried so hard to love her.. I can't even begin to imagine what an effort that must have been for him. It is so hard to even like a person like her!
I DO believe she is the definition of Evil.

 

[summer4meplz]

no, Curious, I was replying to Rick about what "crap" Travis had referred to that he had done for jodi....I don't know if I'm replying correctly...I clicked on reply....

 

[RickshawFan]

I know this has been asked and answered elsewhere here on WS ... but what day did JA FINALLY get her sorry a$$ out of Mesa? (BBM) I'm assuming from the communications/journals it was April 7th?

If that's the correct date, what's interesting is that JA left TA with some kind of "bomb" as hauled her carcass into the sunset. Possibly the reason for TA's (reported) double-fingered salute as she drove away?

April 7th, Text message from TA to JA
He calls her out on imaginary friends knowing details about his life. Threatens to tell everybody about “all the crazy things you have done.”

By 7:52 pm that same day, they text back and forth pleasantly, JA is at her sister’s on her way Yreka, according to http://jodiariastrialtruth.blogspot.com/2014/12/timeline-of-journal-and-messages.html

4-07-2008 TEXT SESSION 7:52 pm
TA is texting Where are you? She says staying with her sister… It was a pleasant conversation back and forth. Ended with “enjoy yourself; will do.”

Hope reports JA left Mesa on April 8th (post #5 in this forum):
4/7 Text, TA to JA:
Don’t call. Don’t text me anything. The next text I want is this Michelle K that is friends with Elena that nobody knows but who knows details about my life. Not one other thing ever. (You have 15 minutes to reply) but you won’t Why. Because it’s a F’ing lie. So either tell me the truth or give me your imaginary friend with the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone. It’s a lie like no other.

5:27 You have screwed up your story so bad you can’t mend it. You have til tomorrow (to tell me) this person’s information before I tell the Hughes, Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents, and anyone that matters about all the crazy things you’ve done.

4/8 JA leaves Mesa. Says she accidentally destroyed her Motorola Razr phone in the UHaul, by dropping it in hot cocoa. Picks up the Helio phone from Gus on way back to Yreka.

April 8 (source is Audacity transcription)
TA Journal: “I want a girlfriend that has the potential to marry. Now that Jodi is gone and Deanna is moving, space is created, less drama can ensue. I miss Lisa."

I didn't ask this very clearly ... It seems JA left Mesa either April 7 or April 8. Does anyone know which date is correct? BBM (Not that it matters that much, but ... I'm a little OCD).

The other piece I find weird about all this early April stuff.... Didn't JA claim she was staying at Travis' that whole first week? She is clearly not, since you can tell from these texts that they are not getting together.

Doesn't Jodi's sister live in Northern California? Maybe Redding? There's not a snowball's chance in hell Jodi's getting there by 8 pm.

 

[summer4meplz]

no, Curious, I was replying to Rick about what "crap" Travis had referred to that he had done for jodi....I don't know if I'm replying correctly...I clicked on reply....

quoting myself to see if this is the correct way I should have replied to Curious and Rick.....(this is one of the reasons I don't post much but I get it now....:happydance:

 

[east2west]

The other piece I find weird about all this early April stuff.... Didn't JA claim she was staying at Travis' that whole first week? She is clearly not, since you can tell from these texts that they are not getting together.

Doesn't Jodi's sister live in Northern California? Maybe Redding? There's not a snowball's chance in hell Jodi's getting there by 8 pm.

iirc, her half sister lived in Hollister.

 

[janx]

Jodi makes clear Travis never thought of or called her his girlfriend. Wow!

She also says they're not secret lovers. Well, there goes Fonseca's slime highway "dirty little secret".

Then there is way too much "both" and the overemphasis on the ties which bind them together, which also obviously don't exist chez Travis, since she can't seem to "knock" them into him.

I find most of this email unreadable. There is something terribly wrong with Jodi's head. I know she thinks it all says something, but it doesn't. It all winds around and around and around. She's evidently trying to persuade Travis about a variety of things, but how could anyone possibly be persuaded by this gobbledygook? Maybe she's on something?

Part of the problem, I think, is that Jodi is trying to argue abstracts and messes with semantics when, really, she isn't up to it. Maybe she has a slightly above average vocabulary (I'm not convinced it isn't just a "cut and paste" vocabulary and not real fluency), but her thinking skills aren't up to it. There are words, but zero sense!

At the same time, this verbosity is evidence of her sense of superiority: if Travis says he doesn't understand any of this, she will almost certainly cast him as stupid. Manipulation, manipulation..... Toss that in with her jabs at Deanna, which are almost certain to have risen Travis' hackles...

I'm not sure whether this kind of navel-gazing Jodi does has a psychological diagnosis attached to it, but it wouldn't surprise me. Narcissism in the extreme, but there must some other psychopathology going on here?

She was obsessed with him and quite deluded. This email is a very desperate attempt to latch on when the relationship (such that it was or wasn't) was clearly over. If I remember correctly, Travis hated this email, could make no sense of it, and told her so.

 

[RickshawFan]

Seeing as how Jodi's convoluted "I want to be acknowledged as your girlfriend, but now we are friends and this is what I mean by that" email (5/16) as far as I can tell came just a day after Mimi—Travis' would-be girlfriend—told Travis she just wanted to be friends.... Do you think Jodi's email actually came about because she got wind of Mimi's girlfriend/friend ambivalence about Travis? That JA got fixated on the girlfriend/friend thing because of something she hacked into from Mimi to Travis?

 

[Reagan]

JA's entire email of May 16 is on Court Chatter: http://www.courtchatter.com/2015/01/jodi-arias-email-to-travis-alexander.html

Here is a boiled-down, edited (by me) version:

E-mail from Jodi ‘CRYING” for recognition in his book; ragging on this relationship with Deanna; begging for recognition as his girlfriend: “But my cry for a little recognition comes from a place within me that feels it was never adequately gratified in that it thirsted to be validated not just as some girl friend that you associated with, but as your girlfriend.”

Don’t want to mention my name “because of the unwelcome crap and comments you receive by your friends, Chris and Sky Hughes.”

“When you are scrutinized, criticized and questioned about being my friend that’s one thing. It hurts us both, yes, but it is easily rectified by standing strong and firm in defense of our friendship. You've done that plenty of times. Even perhaps when I was undeserving of such defense. But when you have to censor our friendship for fear of the criticism you will receive as a result of it, then it becomes awkwardly and embarrassingly apparent that something is not right, especially when all it is, is a friendship. A friendship. We’re not secret lovers. It’s a friendship.”

Using the “proverbial scissors, cutting the proverbial strings of our friend ship. We remain friends only now because of our free will to do so, not because we feel as though we still tied to each other and have to because of some imagined obligation or nicety.”

What a long winded, self important, passive aggressive <unusual> person she is. Geez.
I've never seen someone say so much without actually saying anything like she does. I don't know how anyone could stand to be around her for more than 5 minutes. Then again, she doesn't seem like she had any friends. She is absolutely annoying.

 

[east2west]

RickshawFan, I rewatched this clip regarding the date she drove away and where she stayed enroute back up to grampa's house. Nurmi mistakenly refers to the date as May 7th, instead of April 7th, during an objection by Juan. It occurs around 00:58:00 mark. Her direct begins around 00:50:00. She's such a liar. You can see her leaking out one untruth after another. She can't seem to help herself.

http://youtu.be/NdWZ55w5CGs

ETA:includes older half sister in Hollister remark.

 

[tlckgram]

I would so love to know the IP addresses on these emails etc. Do you think Lonnie Dworkin did that research and that is why the DT is trying so hard to exclude him from testifying under direct by JM?

 

[tlckgram]

She didn't need to be in Yreka, though. She could have gone to live in SLC? Boise? Anywhere with a whole bunch of Mormons if she wanted to marry a Mormon. All she had to do was to quit spending her money on frivolities until she could scrape up enough to get out of town. Heck , it was summer. She could have lived in her car for a while.

I think she wasn't necessarily searching for a Mormon husband. She was desperate for a high income man who was equally desperate to marry. Could have been an atheist as far as she was concerned. IMO

 

[Shadowboy]

Seeing as how Jodi's convoluted "I want to be acknowledged as your girlfriend, but now we are friends and this is what I mean by that" email (5/16) as far as I can tell came just a day after Mimi&#8212;Travis' would-be girlfriend&#8212;told Travis she just wanted to be friends.... Do you think Jodi's email actually came about because she got wind of Mimi's girlfriend/friend ambivalence about Travis? That JA got fixated on the girlfriend/friend thing because of something she hacked into from Mimi to Travis?

According to the Audacity site from which I'm sourcing (transcribed) TA journal entries, TA says, &#8220;Mimi called me and gave me the let&#8217;s be friends talk. Darn it, darn it.&#8221;

IMO, JA had no idea this TA/MH "just friends" talk had happened.

 

[Shadowboy]

I would so love to know the IP addresses on these emails etc. Do you think Lonnie Dworkin did that research and that is why the DT is trying so hard to exclude him from testifying under direct by JM?

Well, the DT didn't succeed with their exclusion and, on direct, JM ultimately left his question to LD as, "This text COULD have come from a computer; Yes/No?" Answer: "Yes."

I don't think LD did any further research on the helio phone or the electronic messaging; but, IMO, Det. Smith's reference to analyzing 'other' computer evidence (the report for which wouldn't be completed for 'a month' from "whatever" date ... Remember that?) ... IMO, Det. Smith was (is) running down damning (to JA) evidence.

During JM's questioning of LD the implication was clear: JA wrote that 'sexy' text. She likely wrote others.

JM also implied (jury not present) that JA sent TA malware. Is JM just throwing *advertiser censored*? Or does he have some proof?

 

[Tiger09]

JM does have something with the text being from a computer. And that JA sent TA the malware. I wouldn't be surprised if it came with the Infamous I Need Credit email. Back in 04, I was in a long distance relationship and while writing papers for school, I'd shoot off a text to my then bf online from the computer. He used to say they were all choppy, like the state said the pornographic muse/tree text was. When I heard that, it reminded me. Every cell company had it. I had sprint, the then bf had what was cingular (now AT&T).

 

[tlckgram]

***
5/18/08 - Helio stolen according to Jodi's journal entry.

5/22/08 - Jodi receives her new phone according to her journal entry.

I wonder when Gus had told her he happened to have an extra phone, or if it was even "extra". (I have always thought the guy went out and got it in order to try to impress JA about how much $ he had) I am sure he knew her previous relationship had been with an older guy (DB) so for him to think he could get this hot girl wasn't totally out of the realm of possibility. We all know that JA was so obsessed with TA she wouldn't have "lost" her phone without knowing for positive she would be able to replace it.

 

[Tiger09]

My guess? Around the beginning of April, when she and Travis really begin arguing. They're arguing about her hacking, her owing him money. But we don't see everything from her. There are emails etc that are missing. She could have sent them from the phone. Do helios have their own email address, like a blackberry or iphone? If so then that explains why we are missing pieces.