trial day 39: the defense continues its case in chief #117

[Sleuth5]

GM, everyone!

I am sitting here with my hip boots on because it will be deep again today. I am also armed with an industrial sized wooden spoon held like a septor. I have goggles on my desk in the event JM gets to cross LAV this afternoon and the proverbial chit starts to fly when he straightens her out.

Oh, and I have put a 'Cajun Hex' on the evil one! I guess I am ready. Sigh.

Do you have to hold a crawdad in one hand for that hex, or does it just involve gesturing?

 

[Truth Detector]

Whenever LaV brings up the "power differential" between JA and TA I think about this sex and religion conflict. IMO JA definitely held the power in the sex department. She had the experience and she knew she could tempt TA with her sexuality. She also knew she could use the secret of their sex as power to hold over him in terms of revealing it to bishops or future potential dates of TA's. I hope JM asks LaV who held the power in the sex department.

Bingo!

 

[pufnstuf]

LOL. I'm 55 and just got a new Samsung Galaxy S3 - however I was griping to my DD last night that I couldn't figure it out...she's 24. She said "there's a learning curve mom...you'll get there"

lol

I do have friends my age and older who don't do much "interneting", etc. I like keeping up. Best I can. Learning curve or not. :floorlaugh:

My mom and dad (in their late-seventies, early-eighties) have never used computers or smart phones. I've just got them to where they can operate the DVD player. Mom doesn't turn on her cell phone unless she needs to use it, and Dad still doesn't text, though he talks on his cell phone as much as a teenage girl.

 

[Sleuth5]

I hope Willmott wraps up direct today, but I have a feeling she won't.

Probably wants to have a couple more wardrobe changes before the credits roll.

 

[kaRN]

I know plenty of people in their 60s who do email, text, internet, and smartphones. The only people around that age--and I am headed there soon--are those who just gave up on the technology of the past 20 years or so. Maybe they didn't need it for their jobs or to keep up with what are now adult children...?

:seeya:

Employed people considered 'experts' in their fields have no excuse for computer illiteracy. I had to laugh when after Samuels submitted his report,he didn't have a copy. I guess even photocopiers were before his time. AVL never emailing? Seems to me there's a whole generation of victims out there who she'll never reach without adapting to the times. But it explains why her entire testimony seems stuck in 1978.

 

[bsk]

No doubt the use of the term "journal article" is purposeful. It's likely the product of some trial consultant that also came up with the DT "uniform clothing" idea and lowering JA's chair. No doubt JM will challenge ALV on allowing JW to use that term.

Maybe Juan could use one of the defense's favorite objections: "She's mischaracterizing the evidence. It's a journal entry not a journal article." Wilmott and Nurmi are both thin-skinned, so this will irritate the heck out of them. (Willmott for sure; Nurmi if he's awake because there has been recent talk of anal sex.)

 

[KandyKane]

He didn't do a complete screening.

Also, the test he "prefers" to use first, I believe, was the one that was not applicable to people with Axis I or II diagnosis. If he had diagnosed her with any personality disorders, he would have eliminated the validity of his favorite test. It's still invalid, but Juan might have had yet another reason to trash it.

Side NOte: I think the defense tried to get Jodi to go with insanity and she just couldn't live with that due to her pride. She would rather been dead than be thought crazy.

I hope she corrects her biggest lie of all and in the end pleads for the death penalty since she did, in fact, hurt Travis.

They couldn't go with insanity since there's no way she even comes close to meeting the McNaughton rule. But with their self-defense strategy they're also trying to slip in temporary insanity to explain the overkill... that's what the whole "fognesia" BS is for and why Samuels was a witness. They're trying to plant in the minds of the jurors without actually saying it that all the overkill was because at the time she didn't have control of her reason, and was thus temporarily insane.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/Juror5.pdf

Has this been posted yet? The reason #5 was removed.
No one watching via TV or streaming could possibly see a jurors face, so it had to be someone in the gallery. I bet it would be Donovan. How many more jurors are going to be dismissed this way?

This letter, IMHO, is from a cray person. Number 1, I don't think Tri-color has pink/blue hair.....and Number 2 - trying to coach Jodi. How stupid. If this person was, in fact, shaking her head...I'm sure it was in DISBELIEF of what JA was serving up on the stand.

We get letters like this ... have to file them on the docket. They hold no weight normally. Sometimes they are set for a "status hearing" ... but if anyone remembers, Judge Perry issued an order in the Anthony case that no one could file anything unless it was by an attorney. Still doesn't stop people from writing though.

 

[KMouse]

Well then kmouse, she's not very good at her job. With all her years of experience she can't spot a faker and a liar????
I detest what she is putting the Alexander family through. It is so hard for even us to listen to it, so just imagine the poor family.

ALV sucks at her job. But women never lie about abuse do they?

I agree with everything you said. I detest the DT for putting the Alexander family through all of this.

 

[molly333]

What in the world do you see in the evidence so far that would warrant 2nd DEGREE?! Wow. You and I are watching 2 vastly different trials.

I've been saying it for weeks on the sequence thread. If they think she used the knife first, that could be second degree. I think it's premeditated and she used the gun first, but the prosecution disagrees and that could be a problem for them. It just popped up the other night again on HLN--another hung jury on what weapon was used first.

Vinnie, I think, said, then that could be second degree if the jury believes the knife first.

IMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

Do you have to hold a crawdad in one hand for that hex, or does it just involve gesturing?

Both - everything helps!

 

[pufnstuf]

I thought it was too short, too. It was 18mos to 2 years or so. But, listening to ALV has made me realize the intensity of the relationship. I know that high school kids can get into these types of abusive relationships and that is also short term.

I just think there is a lot to learn from this expert.

IMO

I agree that she has a lot to say that is true about abusive relationships, such as the cycle of violence and such...

Her problem is that she's misidentified the victim as the female in this relationship, and she's mistaking obsession for "love."

 

[The Farm]

Thanks for the hug!

Jodi's mother Sandi and her twin are two people living in the public stink eye. For week after week, months dragging on. The mind needs comic relief to stay sane--even in a gruesome murder trial. It could have been the outfit the Mitigation Specialist is wearing or a rip in her skirt when she bent over. It could have been anything but laughter is well known as an involuntary way some people break tension.

I can't imagine what it must be like sitting day after day expressionless. I couldn't do it, I would crack and yes, if I saw some of the hijinks that go on in this courtroom I would laugh.

I don't think it means anything. What does mean something is that they are there day after day for one reason only: love. They are able to love. Jodi's mother loves her and Sandi's twin loves her sister, so she's not going to let her go through this alone. Both of them knew it (Jodi) would have a bad end and now it's come. They will stand together and get through this.

Their judgment is not going to be wonderful because of all the stress--shoot, I even feel stressed and I'm sitting on my own sofa at home and it's nobody I even know!

Thank you for your explanation because it has really bothered me from when I do get to watch some of the trial when I get home from work to see them doing that. I myself just could not figure it.

 

[Sleuth5]

They couldn't go with insanity since there's no way she even comes close to meeting the McNaughton rule. But with their self-defense strategy they're also trying to slip in temporary insanity to explain the overkill... that's what the whole "fognesia" BS is for and why Samuels was a witness. They're trying to plant in the minds of the jurors without actually saying it that all the overkill was because at the time she didn't have control of her reason, and was thus temporarily insane.

Good point.

 

[anagrammy]

Good morning!

Was thinking... lol. Maybe the DT "tried" to give up on Jodi because maybe, just maybe they wanted her to plea insanity.

I can picture Jodi saying: "I'm not crazy, Travis abused me!" :coffeews:

Let's hope there are no interruptions today and the DT can finish up and get Juan up.

How about more like: "I've been researching this and I think we should go with this "battered woman defense." So and so got off and so did so and so.

"But Jodi, there's no evidence of that."

"I can be battered if I want to. We're going with that. Let me get together some evidence which could be true and we'll meet with Wilma. I'm not going to put myself out there as crazy. We don't believe in that in my religion."

"Wilmott."

"Whatev. It's so deceptive. I like it."

 

[RadarLuv]

Top o the mornin! I hope there is some action today! I am finally off ALL day. It's raining and I plan on doing NOTHING!

 

[camcneishg]

wild about trial just confirmed court is on for tomorrow!!

 

[Steely Dan]

I know, but others have said it is not, because the judge addressed and dealt with the problem. Go figure HLN! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

It's boring unless you have two sides to debate the thing.

Jodi was/is the abuser.

Alice seems to think that a woman can, stalk, play head games, use sex as a weapon, break in to a guys house, check his emails, voicemails, Facebook account and when the guy starts to get angry and leaves angry emails and texts HE'S the abuser, JMO.

 

[Zuri]

Please don't throw stones. Some of the posts bashing ALV and the DT go a little far. The WS posters here are far more intelligent than to resort to the same tactics as that OTHER site. JMV. Oh, the bashing of JA is right on. No problem with that.

 

[Tipstaff]

She's using other input as well--Travis email to Jodi, to other people, and to other women and videos, some other testimony from people who knew both. She is trained in recognizing patterns and there are plenty of them, here.

I'm sure she's seen more psychopaths in her 35 years than all of us put together. So one would think she would recognize one. She doesn't seem to think Jodi is a psychopath.

She knows her stuff. All I am saying is that this doesn't justify anything Jodi did, imo, but it might help mitigate the sentence. I have yet to see if she can justify self defense, but I doubt it given the crime scene.

IMO

I find it infuriating that Alice is interpreting TA's words to benefit JA. She is speaking for TA and she has not spoken with or even met TA prior to TA being murdered by JA.

Throughout the trial other witnesses have been prevented from saying what "Travis said". Astounding that this witness has been allowed by the judge to speak in this manner.

Hopefully JM will cross exam this witness and clear up the misconception that Alice has an inkling about Travis Alexander's thoughts, wishes, hopes, dreams, sexual desires or what kind of potato chips TA like.

:banghead::banghead::banghead: