trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[AuburnSchnauzer]

I am ambivalent about the death penalty, but in this case, I really want to see Arias receive it. She would thrive in prison in general pop. On death row, she won't get that opportunity.

About Death Row in Arizona:

All male and female inmates on Death Row are classified as maximum custody. All inmates are single cells which are equipped with a toilet, sink, bed and mattress. Each Death Row inmate has no contact with any other inmate. Out-of-cell time is limited to outdoor exercise in a secured area, two hours a day, three times a week, and a shower, three times a week. All meals are delivered by correction officers at the cell front. Limited non-contact visitation is available. Death Row inmates may place two ten minute telephone calls per week. Personal property is limited to hygiene items, two appliances, two books and writing materials, which can be purchased from the inmate commissary. Health care is provided at the Health Unit; medication is passed out at the cell front. Clergy contacts are provided at the cell.

From the time an inmate is sentenced to death to the time the inmate is executed, what is the average length of time that an Arizona inmate remains on Death Row?


Since 1937, the average Arizona Death Row inmate has spent 12 years on death row.

http://www.azcorrections.gov/dr_faq.aspx

We agree that this woman deserves the death sentence.

 

[crime cases addict]

I am ambivalent about the death penalty, but in this case, I really want to see Arias receive it. She would thrive in prison in general pop. On death row, she won't get that opportunity.

About Death Row in Arizona:

All male and female inmates on Death Row are classified as maximum custody. All inmates are single cells which are equipped with a toilet, sink, bed and mattress. Each Death Row inmate has no contact with any other inmate. Out-of-cell time is limited to outdoor exercise in a secured area, two hours a day, three times a week, and a shower, three times a week. All meals are delivered by correction officers at the cell front. Limited non-contact visitation is available. Death Row inmates may place two ten minute telephone calls per week. Personal property is limited to hygiene items, two appliances, two books and writing materials, which can be purchased from the inmate commissary. Health care is provided at the Health Unit; medication is passed out at the cell front. Clergy contacts are provided at the cell.

From the time an inmate is sentenced to death to the time the inmate is executed, what is the average length of time that an Arizona inmate remains on Death Row?


Since 1937, the average Arizona Death Row inmate has spent 12 years on death row.

http://www.azcorrections.gov/dr_faq.aspx

Good Jodie can sing "O Holy Night" to herself for 12 years:rocker::rocker:

 

[pufnstuf]

We agree that this woman deserves the death sentence.

Yeah, we agree.

I'll add that she also deserves the 12 agonizing, lonely, mentally excruciating years of life on death row prior to the needle. The needle's the easy part. The solitary confinement of death row is the ultimate punishment, I think.

 

[Steely Dan]

This is soooo shocking. Why is this allowed? The mitigation specialist should not be interacting with onlookers and neither should witnesses!!! The laughers weren't even trying to hide it while Juan was talking about the parallels to "Snow White." It's hilarious how reluctant ALV is to answer questions about her own lecture in comparison to JA...because she knows what Juan is getting at.

If someone informed someone over Judge Stephens about these photos, I wonder what would happen. Is there anyone over her? Why does the Judge allow this!

BBM

I roughly agree with that. I just think ALV has no idea where Juan is headed. He's got her thinking that he's going to be comparing Jodi to Snow White. I believe he's actually going to prove she made assumptions about Travis from his writings without an interview. I'm also guessing she never interviewed any of Travis' friends. He's got her off balance thinking he's headed for the Jodi is Snow White and I'm mischaracteizing your talk's title, while establishing testimony that he will later use against her.

ALV was smiling like a Chesire Cat and mugging like she's making JM look stupid. Like so many other witness' she's dead wrong, very, very wrong. JM is going to put her through the wringer. I think some of her angry frowns are a clue that she's catching on that the prosecutor and judge are going to make her do things his way, which is just like a man.

IMO, this is going to be the crux of his point. Start at 1:05:00 and listen to the answer she gives that he asks her to repeat.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3zlhqVZqE"]Jodi Arias Trial : Day 41 : Prosecutor Vs. DV Expert : Part 3 Of 3 (No Sidebars) - YouTube[/ame]

"I did not talk about Snow White in an intimate relationship with a prince."

I think Juan is headed toward establishing that she only knows half the story and therefore cannot make a clear assumption on who the abuser was.

He did use the Snow White story to show that Jodi started out like Snow White, but he got her to say that Jodi left on her own while using it. Look for that to come back and bite her too. JMO

One more thing. He's calling it a shack. ALV is calling it a cottage. I think that speaks to how different people view things overall. JMO

I thought he started out being very patient with her. It was only when she started getting under his skin by dancing around simple yes/no questions that he stepped it up. Just my interpretation.

I didn't see him treating her any differently than any other defense witness. He starts out strong and then eases off. I think he did the same thing here. I do agree that he was getting aggravated at her inability to answer simple questions.

It seems to me that ALV wants him to tell her what his ultimate point is going to be so she can craft her previous testimony around it.

Just my personal opinion regarding our expert witness, Miss ALV and her IMO ever growing more and more desperate need for signs of confirmation from some, any, all, or even one of the jurors that she is maintaining a connection with them..<--this need from ALV has been noticed by me for quite some time.. IMO without doubt I can see the desperation growing and increasing with the need to have something to make her feel soothed that she's "still got it"(ie.this connection with at the very least ONE OF THESE JURORS).. ALV IMO is becoming more and more uncertain and troubled at her losing this connection(whether real or merely deluding herself to believe) that she feels the need to maintain..

jmo, again but even in her most wishful and hopeful mind she absolutely knows that if there were ever a connection forged btwn herself and any/all/some/or even one of these jurors that it is rapidly fast fading in its existence..

if this [unusual paid person] were of even the most minute amount of care I would at this point in time be genuinely feeling sorry for her and the desperation that I am seeing ever present and only rapidly increasing throughout her testimony..but IMO I am strongly of the opinion that true victims are not at all this woman's priority therefor I am left feeling zero, nil, none, not even a tiny iota of sorrow, pain, or even embarrassment for her and her ever growing desperation that is only becoming more glaringly obvious.. in fact I am thoroughly happy that this is what IMO is happening right before my eyes, but much more importantly right before the eyes of each and every one of those 17 jurors that are left in place holding the ever important job of deciding this defendants fate..

Miss ALV while I personally have zero pity for that ever increasing uncomfortable position that I am watching you squirm in, I do however want to thank you for being so easily read, like say, a child's fairytale book for instance..It is your priceless look of desperation that is telling me all I need to know WRT the status of your much wanted connection that you so greatly desire and need to maintain..jmo, but that connection, if ever existing to begin with, is long since lost, broken, and NOT at all intact with nary a single one of those jurors..

this is jmo, tho and my personal view of the ever increasing desperation that exudes from our "expert" witness, Miss ALV..

BBM

I disagree with that statement. I think people she believes are victims are her priority. However, she's stuck in the 80's with her ideas of victims and victomizers.

I definitely agree that there is growing desperation from her, because she can't function well without knowing what the outcome is supposed to be, and I think JM is letting her send the pitches so he can hit them out of the park. JMO

I noticed that too! Felt like she was talking out both sides of her mouth.

If Travis had a rough childhood....he'd be an abusive adult.

If jodi had a rough childhood....she'd go on to be abused.

Say WHAT??

She's stuck:

She can't answer Juan's questions without lending credence to Travis' side. This is where as I said above, she can't function without knowing what the expected outcome should be. When she "councils" abuse victims I think she's already made up her mind that they ARE abuse victims before they walk through the door. JMO

Like Wile E. Coyote she thinks she'll defeat the prosecutorial road runner when in fact the rock will flatten her. :giggle:

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

I think I know what it was, JMO of course. My ears pricked up when I heard that she told him they needed to be apart because they couldn't keep their hands off each other sexually, blah, blah, it was better spiritually, blah, blah, and then this easy-to-overlook tidbit:

"...and I won't be going to any PPL conventions..."

and Travis fails to save his life by saying yes, she should, that she's still welcome there because they will always be friends. I think she deduced his real intent to have her completely out of ALL his circles --and that he would be trashing her to make sure he still looked like the good guy, the up and coming guy, the financially successful guy.

We know this was bait because she had already lined up a guy who was much more successful and higher up in PPL than Travis - she had Ryan Burns hooked by the p****s, just like she hooked him. OF COURSE she was planning to be at every posh and exciting PPL event!

So why would she tell that particular lie?

I haven't been able to figure out all her lies but the important thing is,
Juan Martinez knows all about it.....I cannot WAIT for Monday.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Are any of you out there up on the Sunshine laws in AZ? Just curious because Nurmi seemed at a faux loss about how the videos and transcripts of JA's journal had been released.

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I know you can file motions to have evidence sealed pending appeal of the outcome of a trial. So what was his rant about? If he didn't get those records sealed, how could he blame Juan for not circumnavigating the public records laws?

Did anyone hear if they completed the hearing today with Nurmi's witness?

We have the Freedom of information act or FOIA. Our news or even our citizens can request for information to be released. It can cost as I remember a member here paying out of pocket in CA's trial for printing & the time it takes to redact documents or whatever the the court charges. Depends on the counties and states. FOIA is close to Sunshine Law but the Sunshine law is open much more beyond ours when I compare CA's trial to JA's.

Nurmi knows this. A big blah to his little (hmm is that the w right word) act of surprise when HLN played released documents and videos! It wasn't coming into the case so by law, the courts must release it.

Nurmi, nurmi, nurmi...sad attempt to trash JM. You can't win big boy! Actually, it was the sorry piece of acting I've witnessed so far out of any of them. Acting all appalled and all. gar

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Yeah, we agree.

I'll add that she also deserves the 12 agonizing, lonely, mentally excruciating years of life on death row prior to the needle. The needle's the easy part. The solitary confinement of death row is the ultimate punishment, I think.

If this trial were held in Utah, you know what she would get if found guilty...Whew!

 

[Hatfield]

How do we even know that TA was the author of all of these IM's or emails? Apparently, Jodi knew all of his passwords. The worst of these messages were sent around the same time she stole her granpa's gun. Maybe she sent herself these messages as well, just to show in court later on.

This is such a real possibility. I have always wondered if she sent one of their mutual friends a text message and made it look like Travis wrote it. For example, Jodi could have used the same false pedophile story in some kind of incriminating text and really setup Travis somehow. There is no doubt he was very upset with something she did to him.

I hope Juan has a surprise witness that will help unlock the mystery about it.

 

[verbonica]

Dr. Know? Post #1177

"I loved when JM asked ALV what were the bad things that Jodi wrote about herself in her journal and all the babbling about not having examples. ha ha She stumbled so bad. splat batman Her crime is getting easier to figure out with each day JM is up. You see her plot & plan very clearly. "

Yes, I think that she's horribly biased, but in all fairness, I think if you look at the replay of that set of questions, Martinez was not very clear with his questions. As I saw it, he asked her if Jodi wrote anything bad about Travis in her journal... then in a manner that seemed like he was repeating his question about writings about Travis again -- but more forcefully, as is his wont -- he changed it to writings about herself (Jodi). ALV, already on guard with him, was sort of confused about what he was asking.

 

[katydid23]

She probably was both voices on the sex call also.

:slap:

 

[Steely Dan]

Please let's not lose sight of what is going on here.

Others have shared their stories so let me share mine real quick. I moved 800 miles away from my ex just a year ago (from TN to IA). He was mean....threw things at me, threatened me, called me horrible names, etc. I honestly was terrified of him. I stayed with him for 6 years because I thought I loved him and I truly felt sorry for him. However, I recognized the dysfunction, which is why I FINALLY forced myself to break off the relationship. Is it painful? Yes. Do I miss him? Absolutely. Do I love him? Without a doubt. But it wasn't a healthy relationship, and I am finally healthy enough to realize that I am better off without him. I'm just now getting into counseling and trying to pick up the pieces.

My point is that everyone has a CHOICE. The DT can try to spin it any way they want but there is absolutely no excuse for this innocent man's life being taken as cruelly and violently as it was. It absolutely makes me sick to my stomach to read posts by those in favor of her twisted defense.

And on that note I'm going to bed lol. Goodnight, and behave!

Good for you! :hug: I hope no kids are involved.

Yeah, we agree.

I'll add that she also deserves the 12 agonizing, lonely, mentally excruciating years of life on death row prior to the needle. The needle's the easy part. The solitary confinement of death row is the ultimate punishment, I think.

:goodpost: Especially the part I bolded. She will suffer beyond imagining without anyone to believe her stories for hours a day.

I haven't been able to figure out all her lies but the important thing is,
Juan Martinez knows all about it.....I cannot WAIT for Monday.

BBM, I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas to come. lease:

This is such a real possibility. I have always wondered if she sent one of their mutual friends a text message and made it look like Travis wrote it. For example, Jodi could have used the same false pedophile story in some kind of incriminating text and really setup Travis somehow. There is no doubt he was very upset with something she did to him.

I hope Juan has a surprise witness that will help unlock the mystery about it.

I think he could even ask Alyce if she knew about the crossover. I also see JM asking her if JA brought this up, or this and this and this and this...

 

[katydid23]

Dr. Know? Post #1177

"I loved when JM asked ALV what were the bad things that Jodi wrote about herself in her journal and all the babbling about not having examples. ha ha She stumbled so bad. splat batman Her crime is getting easier to figure out with each day JM is up. You see her plot & plan very clearly. "

Yes, I think that she's horribly biased, but in all fairness, I think if you look at the replay of that set of questions, Martinez was not very clear with his questions. As I saw it, he asked her if Jodi wrote anything bad about Travis in her journal... then in a manner that seemed like he was repeating his question about writings about Travis again -- but more forcefully, as is his wont -- he changed it to writings about herself (Jodi). ALV, already on guard with him, was sort of confused about what he was asking.

Yes, I caught that too. I wondered why he changed his question mid-stream.

Two things come to mind: One, maybe he suddenly became concerned about any answer she'd come up with about negative things about TA, so he caught himself in time to avoid that...

OR, maybe he purposely did that, to annoy her and aggravate her, and see how she responds. I think today was all about prodding and poking her, to see how she does when under pressure. He is getting ready to really pour it on Monday morning...

 

[AngelWings444]

She probably was both voices on the sex call also.

The "sex tape" should never have come in. JA illegally tape recorded Travis. SHE was aware of the taping at the time, he was not. Therefore, she could/did lead the direction of the conversation in any manner she saw fit. Although TA's voice was on the tape, he was not aware it was being recorded. I highly doubt this conversation would have taken place if he was aware. It's really an unfair advantage to one party to have knowledge of a tape recorded conversation, and the other one to have ZERO knowledge. That is why it is illegal in many states.

This action alone, speaks volumes to her credibility, demeanor, and I stand firm that it was used as blackmail against Travis!! Sick and disgusting.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Woop - Where does it state in Arizona Law that if someone is sent to Death Row, it will only take 12 years to receive the needle?

 

[TartLemon]

IMO~~

With the DP, Jodi will still have the paid for by the State attention of the appeals process. LWOP it is her own responsibility to do that.

With her attitude, Jodi will spend most of her time in the proverbial hole anyway. The cameras will be gone. the 'field trips' to court will disappear. Jodi will be just another criminal caged with the hard core lifelong badass criminals. Cry all she wants; pretend to be so 'in charge; fact is she'll learn in a hurry who's really running the show in there.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

The "sex tape" should never have come in. JA illegally tape recorded Travis. SHE was aware of the taping at the time, he was not. Therefore, she could/did lead the direction of the conversation in any manner she saw fit. Although TA's voice was on the tape, he was not aware it was being recorded. I highly doubt this conversation would have taken place if he was aware. It's really an unfair advantage to one party to have knowledge of a tape recorded conversation, and the other one to have ZERO knowledge. That is why it is illegal in many states.

This action alone, speaks volumes to her credibility, demeanor, and I stand firm that it was used as blackmail against Travis!! Sick and disgusting.

Unfortunately, the laws vary state-by-state...JA absolutely murdered Travis. We do know that much.

 

[AlanCFA]

When he gets aggressive is when the witness is arrogant and combative and yeah that pisses him off. She was acting just like Samuels and JA and would not answer a simple question.

She could have cut a lot of this out.........by just answering the damn simple question he asked.:banghead:

It's frustrating to see what looks like simple evasion, but defense attorneys tell their expert witnesses to do exactly that. Prosecuters expect it and, in many cases, the witness blathering on helps the prosecutor more than a simple yes/no would. Moreover, while the evidence is overwhelming that Arias is guilty, many of the questions asked would have misleading answers if a yes/no approach is employed.

Let her go on about a long version vs. a short version of her Snow White presentation, about the catchy title, the tounge-in-cheek way of using the story to illustrate a point, and about what is brought from childhood into adulthood. It will not make her more believable with the jury, IMO. It may very well have the opposite result.

If I were on a jury and thought the prosecutor was giving us a slanted view by not allowing explanations, I might be inclined to think she did not have a chance to make her case and hold it against the prosecutor. Better, IMO, to let her give the nuanced details and then show how silly her analysis was and how everything in the report about Jodi was based on lies.

Of course, that's my take on it, others may disagree. I do agree that this trial seems like it will never end.

 

[rose222]

Got the whole thread to read.

Just want to say JM was brilliant, brilliant! Two things shocked me. One is how combative she was with JM right from the start. It's like she felt even before he uttered a word 'Let's see who wins this battle!' The woman has serious issues.

The other thing is that AV said Travis is not the victim. I don't see how some say JM should be soft on her. She's murdering him all over again in court and JM's supposed to be soft? That makes no sense to me. JM should be as harsh as possible (The Judge let him do his thing overruling most of the objections).

Arias and AV are two peas in a pod. Full of lies, manipulation and ready to spar! Not good for the Defense. Not good at all.

Go JM. I love, love, him. There aren't enough words to express my gratitude for being the voice of a butchered man!

 

[Karraster]

Not your posts. You have to read back aways. Its been a long crazy night.

Reading that made me LOL. I have relished reading here and all the insight that I've found, and the humor is priceless. I'm a huge fan of JM and have faith in him. In my personal experience of having a loved one murdered, our prosecuter was a female Juan, petite feisty passionate woman devoted to victims, just like JM.

My point, I'm reading along, learning from people who obviously know a great deal more than I. (Many thanks to you all who sincerely wish for justice to reign.) ....and isolated snippets of writings can easily be misconscrewed, as you just pointed out.

 

[Steely Dan]

The "sex tape" should never have come in. JA illegally tape recorded Travis. SHE was aware of the taping at the time, he was not. Therefore, she could/did lead the direction of the conversation in any manner she saw fit. Although TA's voice was on the tape, he was not aware it was being recorded. I highly doubt this conversation would have taken place if he was aware. It's really an unfair advantage to one party to have knowledge of a tape recorded conversation, and the other one to have ZERO knowledge. That is why it is illegal in many states.

This action alone, speaks volumes to her credibility, demeanor, and I stand firm that it was used as blackmail against Travis!! Sick and disgusting.

The defense should be careful what it wishes for. If there is a mistrial the next judge may not allow that as evidence. JMO

Well fftobed: Night, nite!