trial day 47: the defense continues its case in chief #142

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<jean c> said the hearing could be sealed but doesn't know.


:twocents: I am NOT surprised that Jean C does not know what's going on ...

:waitasec: Besides, isn't Jean C the reason for all this "hoopla" :furious:

:seeya:
 
RBBM

Another mistrial motion for prosecutorial misconduct if memory serves. Ya know, the attention seeking Juan posing for pictures with his thousands of adoring fans who stopped just short of throwing their knickers at him? ;) (It's 5pm, drinking time as gauntlet astutely observed, sarcasm's had all day to get warmed up.)

LOL thanks, doll!
 
(Brought from the closed thread)

O\T I am watching the "Justin Barbar Case on ID".. A quick laugh for the morning

This Prosecutor asked the zinger of the century during this trial I watched the trial on Court TV...

This is not any way disrespectful Barbar family at all but strickly to the legal question he asked and what he asked:

The prosecutor was on direct with the ME: He asked

(paraphrasing) So Dr. ????? After 3 or 4 days, how did she look?

I fell of my chair laughing so hard, I was in tears.

In 2013, This prosecutor is still being razed over that question!!!

That is your funny (this morning)
 
Am I a bad mom if I am late to cheer tryouts?

( this is my 3rd child. I am tired.)
 
:banghead:eek:h hln needs to zip it. one of the TH just said the jury is bonding with jodi. like heck they are.
 
RBBM

Another mistrial motion for prosecutorial misconduct if memory serves. Ya know, the attention seeking Juan posing for pictures with his thousands of adoring fans who stopped just short of throwing their knickers at him? ;) (It's 5pm, drinking time as gauntlet astutely observed, sarcasm's had all day to get warmed up.)

AZ Central/News 12 report on why JM came outside the courthouse that day, what happened, and how HLN misrepresented what happened:

http://www.azcentral.com/video/#/How+the+12+News+story+on+Juan+Martinez+originated/2261149720001
 
WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial


Just got to court. It is scheduled to begin at 9:30am. Nurmi is in black and bright blue, Willmott is in gray.


It's on like Donkey Kong!

woot! woot!:great:
I love whoever that WAT guy is!
 
Just got off Skype with my son who is in Rome doing physics research so I feel really smart this mornin, also planning a trip for my daughter who is getting her masters in fine arts from Yale in May.. And yes she is a better artist than Jodi. Top of the morn, snowing outside, had a blizzard over the weekend. Daaats all.

I'm impressed! You did good, mom. :)
 
I have to leave for work just as everything starts...dang time difference! Sending good thoughts to the family of TA and to TM.

Thank you kindly to all your great posts that help those of us at work to catch up. The opinions, humour, screen caps, and comments make it as if we are watching in real time with you all.:seeya:
 
Aaaaaaarrrrggggg!!!!!! Why:banghead:are:banghead:my:banghead:taxes so:banghead:difficult:banghead:?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


It's worth it to have a CPA do them. Too many things change to make it more difficult.
 
:banghead:eek:h hln needs to zip it. one of the TH just said the jury is bonding with jodi. like heck they are.


:waitasec: I guess the HLN TH's did not listen to the Jury Questions that were asked to ALV ...

Those questions were :fireworks:

:seeya:
 
So what's the dilio? A 12:30 EST start time again?

Looks like the kitchen cleaning will have to be done later. :sigh:
 
So, spectators are entering courtroom now? I hope, I Hope.
 
I think even Mr Magoo could see that ALV has been lying throughout her testimony! I know when I was on jury duty part of our "instructions" were that if we felt a witness was dishonest on the stand we could "choose to disregard part or all of their testimony". If that is a standard jury instruction (is it?) wouldn't trying to impeach her testimony be redundant and just make the poor jury have to sit there even longer?
Any ideas anyone?
 
General comments to keep in mind while watching this trial:

1. Perjury -- Witnesses lie and exaggerate on the stand ALL THE TIME, literally in every single trial there is a witness who lies or exaggerates on the stand. Witnesses also make mistakes about the facts they testify about, and sometimes their memory is faulty and they may not remember something accurately. None of those things is perjury, and even if a witness is outright lying -- it is extremely rare for someone to be charged with perjury because most of the time the witness can explain a discrepancy in their testimony due to memory issues or misspeaking, etc.

Perjury is a crime only when the witness knowingly lies under oath and it can be proven by comparing it to a previous written or recorded statement. And usually it has to be a lie that is material to the case on an important issue. Think Mark Furman.

2. Courtroom behavior -- Each judge is responsible for the rules of decorum in their own court. Some judges do not allow any food or drink or gum, other judges allow it. If the judge allows it, it is not disrespectful to the court to eat, drink, or chew gum.

Some judges require that attorneys keep their knees and feet off counsel table, and other judges dont require it. If the judge doesn't require it, it's not disrespectful to have your knee resting on counsel table (although as a practical matter, it looks bad and unprofessional).

Some judges and courts require electronics to be surrendered before entering a court room. Some require that all electronics be turned off. Some only require that they be silenced and even allow internet and email use in the courtroom. Whatever the particular rules are, the attorneys are generally allowed to have their phones, ipads, laptops on.

Some judge allow people in the gallery to take notes, others don't.

This particular judge apparently has pretty lax rules about court room decorum. That does not mean she does not have control of her courtroom or that she is not respected. it simply means she doesn't care about those things and does not feel like the administration of justice is compromised by people eating, drinking, chewing gum, etc in the gallery.

3. Control of the witnesses/attorneys -- I've seen so many comments and questions about how a witness can be allowed to testify the way they are or how can an attorney be allowed to ask certain questions or ask to approach so many times or how can Jodi be allowed to smile at jurors or send notes to her mother, etc. The simple answer is that whether something is allowed or not there is no way to prevent it from happening in advance -- the only way to deal with it is if someone complains and gets a ruling after the fact.

The judge can only rule on things that are brought to her attention within the legal process and what she observes with her own eyes. She removed someone from the courtroom for sleeping the other day - that is something she saw herself and corrected it. If a witness is answering inappropriately, the opposing lawyer has the opportunity to make his objections and get a ruling or instruction from the judge. If that doesn't correct the problem, there's an opportunity for the lawyer to object again and get another ruling and instruction.

It would take something really egregious for a judge to hold a witness in contempt -- rudeness, interrupting, going beyond the scope of the question is not going to do it. Contempt is an extreme remedy that is reserved for behavior that cannot be cured by any other means. A judge is not going to hold a lawyer in contempt because he or she asks to approach every thirty seconds or even because he or she goes beyond the bounds of a pre-trial ruling because these things can all be solved in other ways. The last thing the judge would want to do is hold a lawyer in contempt in front of the jury or even admonish the lawyers too strongly in front of the jury because it could be prejudicial and cause a mistrial or be grounds for appeal.

I do not believe this judge has no control over her courtroom - in fact, the opposite. What many see as a circus atmosphere is due to the defense attorneys acting in a squirrelly or sneaky way, and Juan is just not a prosecutor who makes a lot of objections or makes a big deal out of everything that he possibly could. Most prosecutors do not object a lot -- and most defense lawyers do not act as squirrelly as the ones in this case.

The judge's primary job in this case is to make sure that Jodi Arias gets a fair trial. Anything and everything else is secondary.

4. Impeachment - impeaching a witness is a concept, not an event. To impeach a witness simply means to present evidence that undermines the witness' credibility. There is not a hearing to determine if a witness is impeached; there is no declaration that a witness is impeached; and there is no jury instruction that defines whether a witness has been impeached or not.

The jury is the sole fact finder and the sole determiner of how much weight and credibility to give each piece of evidence and testimony. There will be jury instructions that the jury can decide to believe or disbelieve any, all or none of a witness' testimony. The jury is allowed to use common sense and their everyday life experience to determine whether to believe any testimony. Even if there is no contradictory testimony on an issue, the jury can still choose not to believe it based on the demeanor of the witness and common sense.

You are a Godsend Minor4th. These posts should be at the beginning of every trial thread!! Would save a ton of confusion.
 
It is MHO that this hearing will be streamed simply because I have to go to lunch with a friend. :(
 
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