trial day 51: REBUTTAL; #156

[cricket49]

Blimey. Just made the second row... I hope. *makes note to bring cushion so she can see over tall people next time*

Your good....I am short....sit behind me! :lol:

 

[tvpolice]

Any tissues?

no but got my boots on

 

[Ricki]

http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

 

[Sweetiemom]

Good morning everyone! Hope I'm not too late. My hippocampus flooded last night and I had to call a plumber.

I hate it when that happens...:floorlaugh:

 

[tlcya]

SO I have enjoyed a blessedly Jodi free weekend spending time with my family and working in the yard.

What is this business I am hearing about DT filing a motion for someone to come in at the 11th hour and try to refute the BPD testimony of Dr. D.?

If that motion is allowed, will Dr. DeMarte have an opportunity to discuss the possible diagnosis of ASPD?

The elephant in the courtroom, can it be brought out in this circumstance?

 

[gauntlet]

:floorlaugh:..you should have brought your bus driver - you could have sat on his lap :blushing: Congrats, by the way!
We can share popcorn....

I contemplated that but if the lovely Katie is in the courtroom today, I'd have to keep a close eye on my bus driver in case he sneezed in her direction too.

 

[BritsKate]

I didn't know we were on a new thread already! :blushing: Carrying this over:

A very large proportion of those 'bullies' are women like your sister, abused and battered women. They certainly don't share your opinion of AL. We live in an insane asylum, this culture is insane. Well it's not just this culture, domestic violence occurs all across the globe.

I am 53, grew up poor, raised by a single Mom raising six children ages 12-2. Four females, and of the four of us, one was abused. We are all headstrong women, my sisters and I, but only one of us got into an abusive situation. Looking back my sister says she should have filed for divorce the morning after the wedding. But she didn't. She had dozens of instances where she should have left, all along the way, but she didn't. Even before children were born, but she didn't. Hearing her reasons why, I can't come away with anything other than, 'that's stupid'. I just find it impossible to understand why anyone, man or woman, could use any rationale to steadfastly remain in a situation where they know they are being hurt. How can love and beatings/abuse/hurt occupy the same place in the human mind?

To me it's like willingly walking into a lion's den to be mauled over and over and then decry it with "Why is this animal continuing to maul me over and over?" It doesn't matter that it all began with the lion growling at you, then roaring at you, then batting at you with his paws, and so on and so on. The general direction is clear, and that is in the direction of more serious battering.

I know these observations aren't politically correct, but you can't say I haven't 'walked in their shoes' as I walked very closely and intimately next to a battered woman. No one deserves to be abused or battered, but when you don't leave NO MATTER the reason, you are tacitly giving your abuser permission to mistreat you. And at some point the abused person runs to the government and demands that they 'fix' the situation, the situation that they have refused to alleviate of their own free will. The govt: We will press charges. The battered person: Oh no, don't do that. Wash, rinse, repeat. It completely defies logic or rational thinking.

So feel free to pile on and call me heartless and without compassion towards victims of domestic violence. I'm just at a loss as to why it continues, and in fact, seems much more prevalent today than at the dawn of feminism. There have always been brutal and bullying men, but where are the strong women that feminism promised? Why did my sister behave in a way that her three sisters would NEVER have behaved? We had identical parentage, identical environments, we got the same messages from our Mother, it is just baffling to me.

And I know it's a complex issue, and one battered woman is very different from the next battered woman. Getting back to AL, she has worked her whole life to offer someone to listen, a hand to hold, a resource for aid to battered women. But in terms of this trial, all she offers are fanciful excuses and an imagined boogie man to attempt to get a cold-blooded killer released from the murder charge the defendant so rightfully deserves.

All of the above: MOO

I think to understand intimate partner violence one has to stop asking how the victim could have made different decisions or found him/herself there in the first place. Abuse is a complex series of behaviors, evolving gradually, that make a victim doubt their reality, their perceptions, and most importantly themselves.

How were they manipulated into staying in the relationship by the abuser? What fears or hopes were leveraged against them? Did they believe they had people to resort to who would understand - or those that would belittle them for having 'allowed' abuse? Did they have access to financial resources? A home to live in, separate from the abuser? Funds for an attorney? Were they allowed access to drive? Work? Are there children the victim risks having to allow often unsupervised access by the abuser to should they divorce? Will people believe him/her?

For a great many victims, there are no laws to protect them so the government is rather out of the equation anyway. Unless abuse escalates to prosecutable physical or sexual violence a victim is without that resource. Because of the nature of abuse, and a deep and complex psychology behind it, by the time it escalates to that, abuse victims are so enmeshed its that much more difficult to leave.

Intimate partner violence truly transcends all boundaries. Professional, well-educated, wealthy, self-sufficient people become victims too. You meet someone who seems perfect for you, very slowly cracks begin to appear that are easily rationalized or minimized (Oh, he snapped at me because he had a bad day.) and before you even realize it, you're literally trapped in a situation you truly don't know how to get out of, with kids, money, and/or self intact. If it began with being hit on the first date - or being called a litany of bad names, even, very few would ever stay beyond it.

The overwhelming majority of people don't like to be abused. They don't stay, or return, to be abused either. They love, hope, and often fear. And that hope, love, and fear is very often twisted and used against them, to keep them in a relationship making them miserable, by someone who says they love them.

(ETA: As an aside, I truly don't believe anyone can blame, guilt, or shame an abuse victim more than what they already feel internally. It's a long, hard process personally working through the whys and hows, which are different for every victim. Just food for thought for those people may come in contact with someone in abuse, or freshly out of it, themselves. They already feel stupid. They already know they've made mistakes. They already worry they can't survive on their own. They already feel shame or embarrassment for 'allowing' it and feel immense guilt if loved ones were hurt through their abuse too.)

 

[Nali87]

Oh. A little ad plays before my AzCentral stream now...

 

[leebee52]

Sooooo who's JA going to look like today?

 

[dadgum]

drumming fingers...

 

[gauntlet]

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 51s

Nurmi has been in and out of reclination this morning. He seems a bit stressed as he sighed a few times. Travis' family is here. #JodiArias

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 48s

Judge is still hearing other cases. I predict a 10:00am start time but it might be sooner. Keep your ankles crossed. #JodiArias

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 2m

Juan is right beside me talking to his next witness, explaining the swearing in process and where to go to get on the stand. #JodiArias

@WildAboutTrial

Juan's next witness is a female, I heard them talking but was not rude enough to look into the room behind me and see her. #JodiArias

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 2m

Nurmi's suit is dark blue, his tie is blue stripes. Juan had on a dark suit, he went back into room before I could see his tie.

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Woot!

 

[rose222]

Oh now I know I'm totally addicted to this trial. I like JM more than Richard Armitage in North and South. I'm in too deep!!!

 

[leebee52]

Oh. A little ad plays before my AzCentral stream now...

Yes I noticed that too. Kept wondering, has that ever happened before?

 

[jojomonkey]

WAT predicting 10am start time this morning. We should be so lucky.

 

[Nali87]

WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
Juan is right beside me talking to his next witness, explaining the swearing in process and where to go to get on the stand

Oh a rookie! Probably the walmart witness. This must be nervewrecking lol.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Good morning...another glorious day in the San Francisco area.

It's hot up here in the North Bay, (already) not good for spring flowers.

 

[sace]

Seems like if they get this guy in it will be a case of the 3 Stooges...he was discredited in another trial...Go JM!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...dr+geffner+testified&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[cricket49]

WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
Juan is right beside me talking to his next witness, explaining the swearing in process and where to go to get on the stand

Reminds me of my divorce trail. My lawyer said "Just watch the first person called and follow what they do".

I was called first.....:noooo:

 

[Truth Detector]

:waiting:

drumming fingers...

:waiting:

 

[HarvestMoon]

Sooooo who's JA going to look like today?

Dono ?