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Roux is making himself look stupid with respect to the cricket bat breaking down the door. As I posted earlier to hit the door hard enough with a cricket bat to break it down would have taking great force, requiring a swing of the cracket bat. This would have taken time and could not possibly be achieved in the the time scale of the volley of shots, ie bang.....bang.bang.bang (perhaps 3-4 seconds). It would take 3 or so seconds to repeat each strike of the door. Roux's theory will be completely dismantled in due course. I am so surprised he continues with this theory. It is not at all intelligent. Can one of lawyers on here explain to me why he continues to offer an explanation that it was the cricket bat that the witnesses heard when his account is so clearly deeply flawed.
 
shane13 said:
I think more than this.
Isn't there a charge in indictments for firing the gun in a public place?
This incident is that charge.
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Correct. But I also think Lerena's testimony will not do OP's character any favors regarding the murder charge, since the gun incident and OP's actions afterward demonstrate that he's a liar who doesn't take responsibility for his own screw-ups.
 
Trooper said:
shane...Nel hasn't cross examined Lerena,yet.. he wants to go over notes as Larena is out of the order of witnesses due to the request by Roux for Charl's notes .. after lunch, I assume.
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Nel is the prosecutor, Roux is the defense attorney.

Nel did direct of Lerena, the defense wasn't prepared to cross exam, therefore the 2 hour break.
 
zwiebel said:
Roux 'taken by surprise....did not know this witness would be called this morning..'

Isn't there supposed to be a list, order of witnesses or something? What's going on?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-live-3208255
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Roux suddenly needed Charl's notes.. Charl being the witness, Ms Bugers husband was on the stand at the time.. Notes nowhere to be found in the courtroom, someone dispatched to retrieve them, so the judge waits for a while then makes the next witness take the stand in the interests of time economy, I presume.. Charl will be recalled AFTER Larena. hopefully with his notes at hand. Larena will be on after lunch , Nels examining.. I think.
 
Interested Bystander said:
Roux is making himself look stupid with respect to the cricket bat breaking down the door. As I posted earlier to hit the door hard enough with a cricket bat to break it down would have taking great force, requiring a swing of the cracket bat. This would have taken time and could not possibly be achieved in the the time scale of the volley of shots, ie bang.....bang.bang.bang (perhaps 3-4 seconds). It would take 3 or so seconds to repeat each strike of the door. Roux's theory will be completely dismantled in due course. I am so surprised he continues with this theory. It is not at all intelligent. Can one of lawyers on here explain to me why he continues to offer an explanation that it was the cricket bat that the witnesses heard when his account is so clearly deeply flawed.
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Not an atty.

But maybe they have nothing else... So Roux goes with what many see as absurdity.
 
TigerBalm said:
Nel is the prosecutor, Roux is the defense attorney.

Nel did direct of Lerena, the defense wasn't prepared to cross exam, therefore the 2 hour break.
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Tiger has it correctly.. hehe I had it wrong but Roux is going to cross examine Larena. he says he was surprised by the witness order, needs time to collect his stuff. so no Nels DIDNT get to the safety catch stuff.. that wasn't ventured into.
 
I don't know why Nels didn't explore the safety catch part of Larena's testimony.. no mention was made of it at all. just that the gun was passed under the table, a bullet was in it. ('one up') and it went off when Oscar had it. Nearly shot Larena's foot off.
 
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Interested Bystander said:
Roux is making himself look stupid with respect to the cricket bat breaking down the door. As I posted earlier to hit the door hard enough with a cricket bat to break it down would have taking great force, requiring a swing of the cracket bat. This would have taken time and could not possibly be achieved in the the time scale of the volley of shots, ie bang.....bang.bang.bang (perhaps 3-4 seconds). It would take 3 or so seconds to repeat each strike of the door. Roux's theory will be completely dismantled in due course. I am so surprised he continues with this theory. It is not at all intelligent. Can one of lawyers on here explain to me why he continues to offer an explanation that it was the cricket bat that the witnesses heard when his account is so clearly deeply flawed.
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I'm a lightweight so I didn't think I'd be able to do it when I did my ad hoc experiment yesterday. But I was still shocked at the way the wood kind of bounced back from the door, and nearly hit me in the face. I had to keep re-positioning myself.

It was also pretty difficult to get in the right position to hit a door with a piece of wood, with force. They're designed to hit round balls. A hammer or something with a head would be a lot easier.

It did make a loud bang, but it sounded nothing like a gunshot to me or my dog. Like the witnesses though, I'm stuck for trying to describe how a 'bang' does or does not sound like a gunshot.

Did anyone get a shot of the bat? Is it badly damaged?
 
Trooper said:
shane...Nel hasn't cross examined Lerena,yet.. he wants to go over notes as Larena is out of the order of witnesses due to the request by Roux for Charl's notes .. after lunch, I assume.
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Thanks, T.

I think you mean Roux with the cross.

But my question was why did not Nel get Lerena to say more about the saefty and other things needed to deal with before the gun could be fired.
 
Trooper said:
shane...Nel hasn't cross examined Lerena,yet.. he wants to go over notes as Larena is out of the order of witnesses due to the request by Roux for Charl's notes .. after lunch, I assume.
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Ah, yes this explains the unpreparedness. Thanks.
 
shane13 said:
Thanks, T.

I think you mean Roux with the cross.

But my question was why did not Nel get Lerena to say more about the saefty and other things needed to deal with before the gun could be fired.
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IMO, that would be a better question for Nel to ask Darrin Fresco about, since Darrin is the one who passed the gun, not Lerena.
 
zwiebel said:
Ah, yes this explains the unpreparedness. Thanks.
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Z-man:
I thnk I may have a possible explanation.

the kind of questioining Roux did of MB say was of a general nature.

Here he has to refresh himslef as to the parameters of the gun so as to not make a faux pas.
JMOOC.
 
IMO yes the cricket bat could possibly sound like gunshots if you weren't close and you didn't know the difference in the sound of each. However, it would have taken more than 4 hits of the bat to break through the door panel. Moo.
 
fruity said:
IMO yes the cricket bat could possibly sound like gunshots if you weren't close and you didn't know the difference in the sound of each. However, it would have taken more than 4 hits of the bat to break through the door panel. Moo.
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I don't think so.
As I have pointed out--very differrent physics involved.

The bullet will be shot out at a speed greater than the sound barrier, and so its sound wave packets will be accompanied by sonic booms.

Very different from cricket bat strikes.
And Burger was right to stick to her guns. (No pun intended, I think.)
 
Ugh - just realized why this case is creeping me out so much. It's The Shining. Mad Jack Nicholson breaking through the bathroom door to get to his screaming wife and child, then grinning like a maniac through the broken door and saying 'Little pigs, let me come in...'

I think she got stuck in the tiny window. Can't recall what he used to break the door.
 
zwiebel said:
Ugh - just realized why this case is creeping me out so much. It's The Shining. Mad Jack Nicholson breaking through the bathroom door to get to his screaming wife and child, then grinning like a maniac through the broken door and saying 'Little pigs, let me come in...'

I think she got stuck in the tiny window. Can't recall what he used to break the door.
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Redrum...
 
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