.Dr Johan Stipp says he raced to scene after hearing screams and found Pistorius weeping over body of his girlfriend
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Stipp continued: "I tried to assist her. So I tried to open the airway and look for any signs of life. She had no pulse in her neck, she had no peripheral pulse, she had no breathing movements that she made. She was clenching down on Oscar's fingers as he was trying to open her airway.
"I tried to do a jaw lift manoeuvre to open the airway. It was very difficult with the clenching down, and all during that time there wasn't any signs of life that I could see. I opened her right eyelid: the pupil was fixed dilated and the cornea was milky in other words, it was already drying out. So to me it was obvious she was mortally wounded".
"I looked at the rest of her body and I noted that she had a wound in her right thigh, also a wound in her right upper arm. As I looked further, I saw that there was blood and hair and what looked like brain tissue intermingled with that to the right area of her skull."
Read more: http://news24s.com/oscar-pistorius-trial-doctor-describes-finding-body-reeva-steenkamp/
Ooops, sorry lost it there. Here is some other data that may be of interest.
Moon Phases etc for February 2013:-
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclo...month=2&year=2013&obj=moon&afl=-1&day=1&n=269
Historical Weather for Pretoria 13.2.2013 – not a lot of detail. I have been unable to track down much historical weather data for Pretoria:-
http://www.wunderground.com/history...retoria&req_state=&req_statename=South+Africa
Hi Shane,
The 2 minutes was discussed in court yesterday when Roux was questioning Johnson. See my post #1098 in this thread for more details.
Let me know what you think.
My query was re the time interval betwen the 2 sets of 3 shots in Dr. Stipp's testimony.
I am really anxious to see the ballistic evidence. I think that will be important evidence and we've really heard no mention of it yet.
That was very interesting and informative. Thank you for posting it.
This program was discussed in detail here at the time and was generally rubbished because the tests that were conducted were not felt to be carried out under the correct conditions. There was much more light in the studio than the actual moonlight levels and one would expect a short spell of blindness under the studio conditions. In reality, he walked through open doors to collect the fan and back into the bedroom. He could obviously see to carry the fan back in, close the doors, blinds and curtains. Also, the sound experiment was conducted when it was raining with quite marked rain noises on their umbrella. It was not raining on the night of the murder.
Now tell me why would Reeva be in the toilet with the light not on? Unless she ran in there locked the door and was trying to hide from him.
Today the court was adjourned at 3: pm at Roux's request. The witness who's house is just 70 metres from OP's home testimony that the light was on in the bathroom, but not in the toilet has rattled him and he wants time to prepare himself before he continues with his cross examination.
Listening to some of Roux' comments in court today, I have a feeling we will find out through expert testimony about the ability to hear screams from an enclosed toilet room. Apparently Roux' team has carried out audio tests.
ETA: Of course it was chalked up to rubbish among the group who has been convinced or Oscar's guilt before hearing evidence.
Good luck finding a woman to scream like she had just been shot... or was about to be.
Not rubbish... but not easy to test exactly.
I've been thinking about this and there is no way to not realize when a woman in your home, in your own bathroom and bathroom area, is screaming in terror. If people hundreds of feet away can hear it then surely you can too.
Oscar is guilty of that I am now certain. He knew exactly who he was shooting and he knew why he was shooting her and it was no accident. One shot is an accident, maybe. 4 shots is no accident.
First: Thank you so much to all of you for your updates and grateful statements. This makes it possible for me to imagine what happened in court the last two days. Thanks a lot :loveyou: :blowkiss: :tyou:
Changing the actions OP claimed in his affidavit perhaps could explain what the witnesses heard - maybe I'm wrong with my following speculations but I don’t believe OP’s affidavit version
1. there was an argument.... he attacked Reeva.... she fled (with her iPhone) into the toilet room, locked the door...
2. OP threatened her: "Come out by yourself or I'll get you out!".... Reeva said: "NO! If you will do this I call for help, I have my handy with me"
3. OP becomes increasingly angry.... he takes his cricket bat.... banging against the door once....
4. Reeva screams for help.... OP imitate her screams... thinks he is in a stronger position because of her fear...
5. Reeva screams louder....
6. OP banging against the door several times.... one door panel smashed....
7. now he can see Reeva inside the toilet room....
8. Reeva is crying, screaming desperately for help very loud.... (the bathroom window is open, neighbours could hear her screams)....
8. OP takes his gun... turns on the lights in the bathroom for a better view....
9. he fires the first shot through the not broken part of the door, aiming where he sees Reeva - this hits Reeva's thigh.... she's still screaming....
10. now OP knows he must bring Reeva to silence..... he fires the second shot through the broken panel, he can see exactly where Reeva is - this hits Reeva's shoulder because she's still moving, trying to dodge the gunshots.... still screaming....
11. OP fired the third shot through the broken panel... this hits Reeva's head..... her screams fall silent... Reeva is dead immediately.... time: appr. 3:17…..
12. OP fired the fourth and last shot, again through the not broken panel.... Reeva lies on the ground of the toilet room.... this shot hits the toilet wall but it doesn't matter....
13. OP goes to the balcony, screaming for help.... he takes his iPhone and returns to the bathroom.... he calls Stander.... goes downstairs to open the door....
14. back in the bathroom.... OP opens the toilet door.... pulls out Reeva from the toilet room.... grabs her bloody iPhone and places it at the bathmat near the cricket bat and his gun...
15. then he carries Reeva downstairs....
* first he used the cricket bat, then his gun.... that's the reason why no witness heard the bang... bang... bang noise of the cricket bat....
* two shots through the not broken panel, two shots through the broken panel....
* witnesses didn't heard the cricket bat noises because this wasn't as loud and two people cried very loud all the time.... they awoke by Reeva's screams.... the next they heard were the gunshots in which Reeva's voice broke off...
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Nel said he agrees that Reeva could not have screamed after she was shot in the head. So there goes all the witness testimony about Reeva screaming after the shots ended. So either it was Oscar screaming, or the witnesses have mistaken the timing of the shots vis a vis the screaming
Nel said he agrees that Reeva could not have screamed after she was shot in the head. So there goes all the witness testimony about Reeva screaming after the shots ended. So either it was Oscar screaming, or the witnesses have mistaken the timing of the shots vis a vis the screaming