Trial Discussion Thread #25 - 14.04.14, Day 22

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Considering the amount of blood in the bathroom and Reeva's injuries, I'm surprised there wasn't much more blood on the bedroom carpet.

I was just thinking, could the blood have been from where the blood was dripping off of Oscar's legs? I just remember seeing that leg shot of him (side pose - legs), where you can see blood streaks down his leg.

As you said, if it was from Reeva, you would expect far more blood on that carpet, IMO.

The drip-drip seems more like it was dripping off his leg.

IDK?
 
At 1:15:37 in the trial video, OP said he collected his firearm from under his bed, he took the holster off...

Yet the holster was found against the wall on the bedside table.

One would expect to find the holster on the floor if OP had retrieved his gun from the floor.

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Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 1 - YouTube

Yup, he would hardly place it on the bedside table .. in the pitch dark in a supposed rush of panic and terror, would he ..? .. it would be more likely to end up being dropped on the floor
 
YES exactly, I had the same reservation. I just think everything would have been much harder if he had been on his stumps...I just can't "imagine" or picture it happening in that way when I try to picture it.

For one thing, Reeva would have to have felt very threatened/scared to go and lock herself into the bathroom. I said from the beginning that it makes more sense that Oscar had his stumps on and that's why he was able to fight with her and threaten her.

But IDK b/c then there is the ballistic evidence so I just don't know.

I do know that he's lying, so either way doesn't really matter.

JMO.
I have swung both ways over the legs.
At one point I thought maybe he had taken them off and Reeva thought it might be an opportune moment to leave but listening to Nel and him putting on the record that OP crouched I am more of the opinion that Nel is going to say he had them on after all. This was in the original bail hearing statement .
When the state ballistic expert took the stand I think he did say he could have crouched and shot from the hip.
The other thing I am leaning towards today is that he aimed at Reeva from the noise of the magazine rack .JMO
Also I am very intrigued by Nel putting it on the record that the balcony doors were closed after the shooting when the police first went upstairs.
Hopefully everything will become clearer very soon :-)
 
Murphy's Law:
Are you here?

I do not wish to rain on your parade, you've made a significant finding.
Though from my post it is far more complex. Just as I've written here for a year, and elsewhere, that OP himself is immensely complex.

So in your finding of OP's statement "I wanted to ask Reeva why is she phoning the police” is indeed telling.

And I listened and it sounds like he said "isn't.' But you see from my post above, perhaps the most important aspect is the dip in the volume of his voice [and all that that implies IMO];

But that does not detract from your highlighting whether he said is or isn’t.
You are prob. right, and I speculated a year ago that the heated argument led to a either him preventing her from leaving and/or a minor assault, and whether he ended up saying ‘is” or “isn’t” to me the dip in his voice is more important and is “proof” of what you are alleging.

As things escalated, at one point, she tried to call the police, and if he already assaulted her, or “just” imprisoning her is a crime, he did not want to face jail time. So he got the phone out of her hand in some assaulting or threatening way, perhaps getting his gun early in the scenario and pointing it at her and threatening to shoot if she did not drop it.

She fled to the loo or maybe some of this occurred in the loo, and he realized that he just committed another major crime by pointing a gun at her.
There is vastly more in my scenario.

But thanks for finding the is or isn’t in re to phoning the police.
In his Oscar-speak that dip was probably telling the world what you are alleging.
In his mind, if only Reeva did not try to call the police, she’d be alive. Again blaming Reeva for his killing her.
Above JMO.

Would you mind sharing your entire theory. I know we are getting a new theory thread, but I don't know when. ;)
 
LOL! Someone asked earlier, "Who says, Get the fukc out of my house!!" to an armed intruder?

I'm thinking that one of OPs closest neighbors heard just that! :). And for some yet to be learned reason OP intends to call that neighbor. Perhaps because they heard OP yell help help help? Mr. Nel will shred that neighbor too, no doubt!
 
At 1:15:37 in the trial video, OP said he collected his firearm from under his bed, he took the holster off...

Yet the holster was found against the wall on the bedside table.

One would expect to find the holster on the floor if OP had retrieved his gun from the floor.

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Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 1 - YouTube
I am also confused about where the holster was found because I think another FM said that he has 2 of them but I don't know where the other one was .
 
URGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nel is driving me nuts. I am on the verge of throwing my laptop out window.
 
Back from the break.

N: You just told us what you shouted and then you got emotional. Why?

P: It was a traumatic evening milady.
P: Because I was terrified.
N: You’re upset because that’s what you shouted at Reeva
P: He says in a small voice – no milady
P: Milady, I’m traumatised of the events, by repeating those words. It reminds me about those events of the evening (corrects himself) morning.

Hmmmm, Freudian slip?

bbm

Whoa, whoa, whoa. YES, slip-up indeed. I would have expected "night," but not evening. If you wake up in the middle of the night (3 am), you do not call it evening. No body calls that time evening.

So IMO whatever happened b/w the two of them started early in the evening - that is when the arguing likely started.
 
URGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nel is driving me nuts. I am on the verge of throwing my laptop out window.

I think he is doing his thang....frustrating OP and making him slip up. MOO
 
Capt. Chris Mangena, PT ballistics witness, said he found OP was "probably" or it was "most probable" that OP fired holding the gun at his shoulder while on his stumps. However, he also said OP, if on his protheses, would have fired from his waist height. Today OP iirc claimed he fired on stumps one-handed, using the other hand to steady himself against the wall, and that his gun arm wasn't extended, i.e. shoulder height, but bent, i.e. near his waist. The downward angle of the shots was 5-6 degrees, so I wonder if OP's most recent version fits the known facts?
 
just rewatching x-exam as i missed the 1st hour. Wat im wondering about is this blue light on the amplifier. When Reeva isnt there what does he use to cover the blue light that bothers him so much.

Plus, im sorry, but you know what your equipment does. Whether the light will be on if the amp is on or off.
 
yep, it is slowly all coming out:

get out of my house
get the ****** out of my house

help, help, help - from rs not op

screams - from rs not op

[i am going to] call the police - could have been shouted by rs and not by op

RS running down passage shouting I'm gonna CALL THE POLICE then lock herself in toilet and start to dial when she took the first shot. So OP had to fish out the phone and move it to the bathroom afterwards. Whose phone's cover was off? If Reeva's it was probably dropped after first shot.
 
Her bladder was empty leading to three conclusions

1. There was no reason for her to go to the toilet

2. Alternatively, she went to the toilet and urinated in the short span of time between OP hearing the window slide open and shouting out (Edit: 30 seconds tops before door slams - also proved she would need to get off the toilet to slam the door).

3. Alternatively, she went to the toilet and urinated, then got up and opened the window and then ran in and slammed the toilet door in the short span of time between the OP moving the fans and hearing the window open (Edit: At most 1 minute).

All of which is incredibly unlikely and will likely come up tomorrow in cross-exam.

I'm also curious as to where the toilet key normally is

....has there been testimony yet if he got the key while it was in the lock on the other side? Or from the floor as I've heard mentioned? (could his arms reach down and get the key...hmmmm. )
 
Oscars screwed.

Nels got him starting to tell in the passageway ....now Oscars next version must include him yelling out to her.




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I gotta say this case is making me a little cuckoo and it isn't Nel's fault. Apart from the defendant changing every conceivable aspect - sometimes even in the same sentence; we were told that double taps were the reason Reeva never screamed and the witnesses were wrong; we've been told the screaming was Oscar who sounded like a woman; that we'll hear testimony that the nearest neighbours never heard any screaming; the double taps turned into quick succession but the testimony of a pause between shots is still wrong because Reeva had no time to scream, because there was no screaming, because Oscar was screaming like a woman who was also crying like a man.

It's the very definition of crazy-making at its finest!

Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.
 
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