Trial Discussion Thread #25 - 14.04.14, Day 22

[aa9511]

Thanks for the close up pics.
I could have given OP the benefit of the doubt about the jeans because they could have fallen off whilst he was running around the room but seeing the pics now I don't think that could be possible as they would be closer to the unit he was trying to cover the lights on .
I am surprised that OP hasn't said that he threw the duvet on the floor when he came back to the bed to check where Reeva was after the shooting .
He has had a whole weekend break on this .

I don't think he could have said that today or he woudl definately get called out by Nel as having "tailored" his story as well as he did not say anything like when he was first questioned about it on Friday (or was it Thursday?).

 

[kittychi]

Maybe but I put the speaker to my ear and he might have said "isn't' instead of "is". [phoning the police]

IMO, neither one is good for Oscar.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Narcissists never want to harm themselves, he's fine. He still has weeks to go before the fat lady sings her song to him.

So true! He probably thinks he's winning over the judge! Lmao!


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[rachael123]

Your right,he said he checked the floor with his hands,ran his hands over curtains,went outside without opening the curtains and screamed for help.Put a cocked gun down and put on his legs.Picked the cocked gun up and went with the bat to break open the door.How could he do that with the gun in his hand.Crazy stuff and then he changed the part about feeling with his hands.Mind you he did all this in the dark.

I also need to listen to that bit again where OP is tesifying about when he 'realised it could be Reeva' .. then checked the bed from the bathroom side, then got off the bed on the balcony side .. then I'm sure he said he checked the floor with his hands before checking the curtains .. but then later on he said he went straight to check the curtains after having checked the bed, and that he only checked along the side of the bed by walking along it! I swear that is what he said! I need to go back and verify ..

 

[aa9511]

Does anyone know where first documentation is that Oscar said "get the **** out my of house" to the "intruder."

Omg this is really starting to go down the Jodi Arias road and that is NOT good for Oscar.......

 

[aa9511]

Between last Friday and today, I am convinced he had his prosthetics on and was kneeling/crouching when he shot her.

He mentioned kneeling on Friday. He wouldn't be kneeling on his stumps.

bbm

In what context did he mention kneeling on Friday?

 

[Hope4More]

I hate it when OP uses that phrase. He is not fighting for his 'life'......he is fighting for his "lifestyle". It is Reeva who lost her "life"!

AMEN. One of the best posts of the day!

 

[kittychi]

Yes the jeans inside out definately makes me think Oscar is the one who took them off of her. However that happened, IDK. Perhaps Reeva had put her jeans on to leave, he got her and took them off of her in his rage. But the only thing with that is how would he do that on his stumps?

BBM1: That is why I mentioned it could possibly be her menstrual blood.

BBM2: More and more I am just not believing at all that he ever took his prosthetic legs off that night.

Remember, this is what Botha said after his initial investigation...that he was on his prosthetic legs when he shot the gun.

 

[G.bng]

Thanks for the close up pics.
I could have given OP the benefit of the doubt about the jeans because they could have fallen off whilst he was running around the room but seeing the pics now I don't think that could be possible as they would be closer to the unit he was trying to cover the lights on .
I am surprised that OP hasn't said that he threw the duvet on the floor when he came back to the bed to check where Reeva was after the shooting .
He has had a whole weekend break on this .

I think OP was too prepared today to admit to anything about where the duvet was but it surprised me OP didn't say he had at least lifted the duvet to look or feel underneath when looking for Reeva considering he was desperate by then coming to realise it was her in the toilet according to him, and when you are desperate you look everywhere, twice, thrice and more, and you would surely even look in places they couldn't be in from desperation.

 

[kittychi]

He definitely said this

ETA Groping around the bed, the floor and curtains strikes me as a very strange way to determine if someone is in a room when you have the option of turning the light on and speaking to them!

BBM: Especially knowing there is someone in his toilet who is either injured and needs attention or is dead.

 

[aa9511]

then i ran to get my gun - on the stumps? the gun was only a few feet away.

another thing that happened though imo... he did run to get his gun

Yes, his little slip-ups are very interesting indeed.

 

[Cherwell]

But I have picked up from the moment Nel Xed him, that Oscar is slipping up almost all the time. He actually sometimes gives double answers in the same sentence. I posted that a few days ago.

Sometimes it is subtle and you can easily miss it. And Nelli s onto OP's (for the moment I will call it strangeness},and gives a little smile each time Oscar gives something away. More to come.

Yes: There are now so many versions of Oscar's "version" that it's impossible to believe anything that he says at all.

 

[Hope4More]

OP denying that he wanted to shoot the person in the WC. He "fired at the door," not at the attacker.

Here come the tears again! I wish that he would just confess. Listening to Mr. Nel slice him to pieces is painful.

Ranks at the top of the top 10 most ridiculous- and convoluted- of his statements. What, he thought the bullets would magically fall to the ground immediately after they blasted through that wood door, rather than going on into whoever was cowering in that tiny space behind the door?

 

[atthelake]

Nel asks how it was possible to unlock the doors and part curtains with a cocked gun without it going off?

OP starts getting emotional as he talks how the gun was unsafe left on the bathroom floor and could have been kicked, gone off 'and hit me'.

Oh yes, let's reinforce how guns can go off without putting your finger on the trigger opportunity shall we! Harrumph. Nope Ocscar, that's not going to get you outta the restaurant "accidental discharge"

 

[sorrell skye]

At 1:15:37 in the trial video, OP said he collected his firearm from under his bed, he took the holster off...

Yet the holster was found against the wall on the bedside table.

One would expect to find the holster on the floor if OP had retrieved his gun from the floor.

Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 1 - YouTube

 

[aa9511]

One of the few missing pieces for me was the strangeness of OP not having his prosthetics on.

I am now convinced he did indeed have them on, using words such as 'ran' and 'kneel'

YES exactly, I had the same reservation. I just think everything would have been much harder if he had been on his stumps...I just can't "imagine" or picture it happening in that way when I try to picture it.

For one thing, Reeva would have to have felt very threatened/scared to go and lock herself into the bathroom. I said from the beginning that it makes more sense that Oscar had his stumps on and that's why he was able to fight with her and threaten her.

But IDK b/c then there is the ballistic evidence so I just don't know.

I do know that he's lying, so either way doesn't really matter.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

At 1:15:37 in the trial video, OP said he collected his firearm from under his bed, he took the holster off...

Yet the holster was found against the wall on the bedside table.

One would expect to find the holster on the floor if OP had retrieved his gun from the floor.

Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 1 - YouTube

I don't think the gun was under the bed. I think it was on his nightstand.

 

[shane13]

Well that's a whole 'nother story.

Most of us believe that most or nearly all of his statements are lies.
I was merely replying to what was just said in court.
It sounds like the sound system (mic) had a sudden dropoff just as he is saying isn't or is. you can hear the dip.

Unless...here it comes..the dip in voice is coming from him...

"This one runs deep."

Murphy's Law:
Are you here?

I do not wish to rain on your parade, you've made a significant finding.
Though from my post it is far more complex. Just as I've written here for a year, and elsewhere, that OP himself is immensely complex.

So in your finding of OP's statement "I wanted to ask Reeva why is she phoning the police” is indeed telling.

And I listened and it sounds like he said "isn't.' But you see from my post above, perhaps the most important aspect is the dip in the volume of his voice [and all that that implies IMO];

But that does not detract from your highlighting whether he said is or isn’t.
You are prob. right, and I speculated a year ago that the heated argument led to a either him preventing her from leaving and/or a minor assault, and whether he ended up saying ‘is” or “isn’t” to me the dip in his voice is more important and is “proof” of what you are alleging.

As things escalated, at one point, she tried to call the police, and if he already assaulted her, or “just” imprisoning her is a crime, he did not want to face jail time. So he got the phone out of her hand in some assaulting or threatening way, perhaps getting his gun early in the scenario and pointing it at her and threatening to shoot if she did not drop it.

She fled to the loo or maybe some of this occurred in the loo, and he realized that he just committed another major crime by pointing a gun at her.
There is vastly more in my scenario.

But thanks for finding the is or isn’t in re to phoning the police.
In his Oscar-speak that dip was probably telling the world what you are alleging.
In his mind, if only Reeva did not try to call the police, she’d be alive. Again blaming Reeva for his killing her.
Above JMO.

ETA: While perhaps first preventing Reeva from leaving, as the end approached with Reeva taking refuge in the toilet, the phone having been forced from her hand. Oscar was prob. pissed that she got back some control. His voice pitch change when he screamed today, "get the fuc* out of my house", may have been the last thing he said to her [and not to intruders]. [Remember he threw his GF, Mellisa Rom, and her freind Cassidy Taylor-Memory out of the same house.]

When Reeva rightly did not trust him to come out, the final scenario took place and very differently from both teams' versions. Again JMO

 

[G.bng]

Ranks at the top of the top 10 most ridiculous- and convoluted- of his statements. What, he thought the bullets would magically fall to the ground immediately after they blasted through that wood door, rather than going on into whoever was cowering in that tiny space behind the door?

I reckon one of his worst, and could possibly be his most damning if the judge can take the logical inference, must be that, after twisting himself in knots to explain that he didn't shoot at the perceived intruder he perceived by the noise he heard was about to coming through the door, and who he perceived was about to attack him and Reeva, rather that he shot at "the perceived danger".

Yeah, as if the perceived danger was a completely separate physical entity to the perceived intruder about to come through the door and attack them!

 

[G.bng]

YES exactly, I had the same reservation. I just think everything would have been much harder if he had been on his stumps...I just can't "imagine" or picture it happening in that way when I try to picture it.

For one thing, Reeva would have to have felt very threatened/scared to go and lock herself into the bathroom. I said from the beginning that it makes more sense that Oscar had his stumps on and that's why he was able to fight with her and threaten her.

But IDK b/c then there is the ballistic evidence so I just don't know.

I do know that he's lying, so either way doesn't really matter.

JMO.

He can kneel with his stumps.