Trial Discussion Thread #30

[Viper]

OP lists his injuries from the boat accident in the BBC Inside Sports interview as:

Broken cheekbone,
Broke the floor bone of his eye,
Broke part of his nose,
Broke bridge of his nose,
Jaw wired shut

While showing the interviewer his MRIs and Cat scans and explaining his injuries, OP is smiling like it was no big deal and even jokes that once his jaw was no longer wired shut (about a week before it was unwired) that he has been eating steak non stop.

IIRC OP said he had learned a lesson from his reckless drunken speedboat adventure and its consequences. But I guess he lied. Speeding over 100mph with Reeva trapped in the car. Oh, and the murder.

 

[TorisMom003]

IIRC OP said he had learned a lesson from his reckless drunken speedboat adventure and its consequences. But I guess he lied. Speeding over 100mph with Reeva trapped in the car. Oh, and the murder.

Not to mention the Tashas incident and the sunroof incident.

ETA: The interviewer in that video I posted also said that OP was driving very fast that day as well.

 

[molly333]

But he never said that there was an intruder to Reeva, according to him. Which means, if (BIG if) he is telling the truth that Reeva would have no idea why in the world he was yelling to her (since she was the only other person in the house) to get the F out of his house. And since he never said to Reeva, according to him, that there was an intruder in the house it makes it more likely that she would question him as to what was going on.

MOO

You don't think she would assume he was talking to someone else?

Picture this:

You and your boyfriend are in different rooms. You hear him scream at someone, get the f out of my house. You hear him scream at you, call the police. What do you do?

Only two choices--go towards him and see what the ruckus is about. [Don't forget you've been in another home invasion]

or---hide wherever you can=toilet closet.

 

[Hope4More]

BBM - So OP screams for help from the balcony... and then tells security everything's fine? If he screams for help, then he's expecting someone to help, isn't he? So how does that fit in with 'needing a few minutes to conceal what he'd done'? He'd already called for help... in his version.

Gave 2 alternatives why he might have said things were fine. Shock applies to either or both. Suspend your certainty of guilt for a moment and imagine this.

How would YOU react if you thought a burglar was in your house, you grabbed a gun, you shot at what you thought was a burglar then went to check to make sure your friend or husband or whatever was safe....but found silence instead of that person, then, you go back to where you shot and find not a burglar but your friend or husband, bleeding, dying.

You've killed someone. You've killed someone you know and who was just sharing your bed. Crap, I just back from the beach where, driving at night I accidentally ran over a duck. 48 hours later and I still feel guilty and horrible and sad. A DUCK.

 

[TorisMom003]

You don't think she would assume he was talking to someone else?

Picture this:

You and your boyfriend are in different rooms. You hear him scream at someone, get the f out of my house. You hear him scream at you, call the police. What do you do?

Only two choices--go towards him and see what the ruckus is about. [Don't forget you've been in another home invasion]

or---hide wherever you can=toilet closet.

I don't believe his story. And my husband would never yell out to an intruder to get out of our house. He would find me, our daughter, grab the phone, get us in one room together and call police, while having a gun pointed at the door in case the intruder came into the room. He also would not pull the trigger without seeing who was coming into the room. But then he isn't a trigger happy fool either.

 

[Viper]

He basically smashed in one side of his face. What a mess.

That would have required a lot of pain killers. But, there's nothing about addiction, right?

BIB. Right. And BTW, there is nothing about a brain injury either. How many more fake excuses for this murderous creep can be conjured up on the Internet?

 

[shane13]

There is an eerily similar case with no contact between perceived aggressor and accused, of a man, Mdunge, who heard the bathroom door open and startled shot his wife thinking she was a burglar. It ended in a plea bargain so I have so far only found two mentions of it on the web, both News24, i.e.: (1st article here - "Man 'accidentally' kills pregnant wife", and 2nd article here - "Man who shot wife in error can sympathise with Oscar"). It appears Mdunge was going to be charged with murder (1st article) but he pled out to 8 years wholly suspended sentence for culpable homicide (2nd article). For those who don't know the details I re-formatted a part of the second article from News 24 to save space as the original layout is double spacing almost line by line:



BIB - As I said, eerily similar, so it's the differences that are gonna be the crunch!

I wonder if Oscar knew that case?
i'll bet his attorneys did.

 

[molly333]

BIB. Right. And BTW, there is nothing about a brain injury either. How many more fake excuses for this murderous creep can be conjured up on the Internet?

We can't conjure up any fake excuses for him.

That would have to be offered by the DT before we could consider it.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Cape Town: First, welcome.

For Cape Town: Is the female interpreter as bad as some comments I have read from South Africans say she is? Critics say horrible accents, incorrect words used, totally misses things that witness said. Do you agree or disagree?

Also, if so, why is she kept on the job? The judge would surely know if the interpreter is missing things. Or does it not really matter because the English translation is not for the judge anyway?

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Re: Things missing
I have thought since the very first time I heard of it that Oscar himself hid that watch that is missing. As a "red herring" to make problems for the police officers who responded to the scene.

 

[TipDog]

Gave 2 alternatives why he might have said things were fine. Shock applies to either or both. Suspend your certainty of guilt for a moment and imagine this.

How would YOU react if you thought a burglar was in your house, you grabbed a gun, you shot at what you thought was a burglar then went to check to make sure your friend or husband or whatever was safe....but found silence instead of that person, then, you go back to where you shot and find not a burglar but your friend or husband, bleeding, dying.

You've killed someone. You've killed someone you know and who was just sharing your bed. Crap, I just back from the beach where, driving at night I accidentally ran over a duck. 48 hours later and I still feel guilty and horrible and sad. A DUCK.

BIB

I would react like I think most reasonable people would. I would call 911. There is no excuse of any kind, and it illustrates OP's guilt and subsequent lies on the stand, that he said he stood over Reeva crying for awhile (he couldn't remember how long). Even in the case of the man who shot his pregnant wife once under very similar circumstances, he rushed his wife to the hospital.

OP, who claimed all that rushing around while on his stumps, couldn't rush to call 911 when he had his prosthesis on and was more than able? The fact that he didn't call security/police for help and instead dialed a friend to come help him move her (body) is pretty incriminating right there and it can't be explained away by saying he was in shock.

IMO, all of this moot and fluff argument, anyway. Reasonable people dial 911 or security and try to flee if they have that option versus running toward danger. So, from the get go, OP's story smells of sulfur.

 

[TorisMom003]

I'll share a story that my family and I went through. Little bit of back story first.

We live in a one story home in a neighborhood where the houses are pretty close together. The back of our lot, including our house, sits on a hill. The hill starts to slope down at the side windows in the front of our house. The back of our house is on such a slope that it is as if it is a two story house. Our back yard is completely fenced in, starting at the front sides of our house. We always have dogs and let them outside often even at night.

One evening when it was just me and the girls at home, hubby was working 3rd shift, along with our two dogs someone jumped our fence to get into our backyard. They took one of our plastic lawn chairs, pulled it to the side of our house where our (hubby and mine) bedroom window is. It was spring time so the window was open but the screen was in place. The person climbed onto the chair, slit the screen with a knife and attempted to get in. They were unable to do so. We didn't know that someone had been in the backyard, had moved the chair or slit the screen until the next day when I noticed the screen was slit. We called police to report it immediately. We were told that there had been several home break ins in our neighborhood and that one family (older man and his wife) had been beaten. The person/people responsible had not yet been caught.

Hubby and I talked about what we would do if someone did get into our home. We decided on the plan that I said in an above post. If he was at work, then I would be the one getting our daughters and myself in a room with a phone and me holding the gun pointed at the door.

Now, since OP was so "fearful" about home invasion, I find it highly doubtful that he had not come up with a plan on what to do in case someone did get into his home. And since OP was having Reeva/other people over for the night at his house then he should have told them of his plan as well so that they too could follow it. Since OP never did that, along with not checking to make sure his security was working properly, that his sliding doors were left open while he "slept", that a ladder was left outside under an open window without making sure that the ladder was properly put up before "going to sleep", then I have to conclude that OP once again lied. OP, IMO, lied about being concerned about security at his home.

MOO

 

[molly333]

No one that was not in the courtroom saw OP on the stand. OP asked to not be shown on video, wanted his voice heard only.

True. What we saw and heard over and over again:

Oscar breaking down into uncontrolled sobs

Nel grasping the lectern and tossing his head

Judge [looking very concerned], "Let's take a break."

 

[G.bng]

His immediate concern was for himself
He wanted trouble shooters.
That is crystal clear.
He even told security "everything's fine"
Again, very very surprised that Nel stopped his detailed x-exam after the breaking down of the door as there was much to question in the aftermath and I wanted to hear it all. There was only one chance to interrogate OP and IMO it was wasted in a number of important aspects.
I don't fully understand why and truly believe that Nel let him off the hook but...
cape tells us not to worry so I still have faith!

Iirc, Nel informed the court the state accepted OP's story from after he broke into the toilet so I doubt they can retract (bar earth shattering evidence coming to light) because I presume he said it in courtesy so the DT could plan which witnesses they need to call. OTOH I must be missing something because I can't see anything after the door that could further the charges and they have OP's evidence along with Stipp, Baba and the police who arrived soon after, so it could make the PT appear voyeuristic going over that gory part again to advance nothing concrete.

 

[Irisha]

He basically smashed in one side of his face. What a mess.

That would have required a lot of pain killers. But, there's nothing about addiction, right?

There was nothing about a coma either. Pain meds have nothing to do with this, it was yrs. ago.

 

[TipDog]

We can't conjure up any fake excuses for him.

That would have to be offered by the DT before we could consider it.

Um...who's we?

 

[Myvice]

I thought OP said initially that he whispered to Reeva to call the police because he didn't want the intruder to know where he was. Why would he walk toward the WC yelling if he didn't want to give his position away.

 

[Viper]

We can't conjure up any fake excuses for him.

That would have to be offered by the DT before we could consider it.

You do make me laugh at times, I must admit. But to your point, didn't you speak about how serious his head / brain injuries were just a page or two back? I could go and find the one that I am thinking of, but what would be to point in showing you really? And as far as I am aware head / brain injuries have not been offered by the DT. :facepalm:

 

[TorisMom003]

I thought OP said initially that he whispered to Reeva to call the police because he didn't want the intruder to know where he was. Why would he walk toward the WC yelling if he didn't want to give his position away.

Actually he has changed that many times. First he yelled at Reeva to phone police, then yelled at "intruder", then yelled at Reeva again to phone police. Second he whispered to Reeva to phone police, then yelled at "intruder", then yelled at Reeva to phone police. Third he spoke softly to Reeva to phone police, then yelled at "intruder", then yelled at Reeva to phone police.

Then OP said that anyone that said he said he whispered to Reeva was lying.

 

[wb180]

Gee again. Reeva goes to the loo and while there hears the frantic sound of OP running down the hallway on his stumps- which was odd, since he typically would have them on-- and he's screaming get the f out of my house.

If I heard my able bodied hubby yelling those words I would not need to hear the word Intruder to get that an intruder must be in the house. If I were in the loo I would lock it too and stay as quiet as I could.

Hope ur hubby isn't like OP then.

 

[TipDog]

True. What we saw and heard:

Oscar breaking down into uncontrolled sobs

Nel grasping the lectern and tossing his head

Judge [looking very concerned], "Let's take a break."

That is not what we saw and heard.

I saw and heard:

OP's hysterics in the form of crying, puking, covering his ears, his face, etc. on camera while sitting on the bench. During CE, we heard him, off camera, sighing heavily at times, crying, and, from what both the judge and Nel said, obviously distressed.

At times, Nel questioned the validity of OP's show of emotion and the judge questioned whether he should continue on and even suggested that he couldn't use the excuse of being tired to get out of answering questions. Both the judge and Nel were doing their jobs and neither one was being somehow sympathetic of OP, other than showing compassion for a human being while in court.

This was not - poor little Oscar crying his heart out, Nel being dismissive of that and the judge [looking very concerned].