Trial Discussion Thread #30

[weeeva]

Honestly I am mystified that people do not understand that, the norm, statistics, expected behavior, most likely response, universal response do not mean everyone and always. It is that simple. Humans, though predictable are not pre-programmed robots that will respond exactly the same to every situation. We all bring our nature, nurture and experiences to every situation.

There is not a single reputable psychological/psychiatric/behavioral study that will state unequivocally that everyone will respond in the exact same manner to a fluid or static situation. There are reasons it is called “the normal response” and not the “only response” . Even self-preservation is not an absolute universal action that can be expected from every human being.

The branches of study or practice of which you speak recognize this simple truth of the unique human psyche and it is figured in to their assessment of the “whole of humanity”. Study of human behavior is part science (and with brain mapping it is getting more scientific) but mostly it is still an art.

So well put. I wish it had been me who had posted it.

 

[whiterum]

OP cross has shown him up as a liar time and time again and I am sure Milady's notes are full of obvious lies such as this.

Nel points out the discrepancies in OP's BH sworn affidavit and his current one regarding changes to going out onto the balcony and now not one fan but two.

Regarding evidence presented at OP's Bail Hearing Nel quotes Roux's words in his aggressive questioning and challenging of Botha based on OP's sworn affidavit saying 'Now you have it and you see his version now, did you care to test his version in the following respect you go to the house , you walk to the balcony, you are outside on the balcony and you bring the fan in'.

OP replies to Nel that Roux made a mistake (meaning that Roux's aggressive questioning of Botha in front of a Magistrate was all based on Roux's mistake and not his damn lying affidavit.) Nel wisely asks 'why would respected senior council go that far unless he got it from you'.

I'm sure Roux was not impressed :notgood:

 

[TorisMom003]

From an article in Sports Illustrated:

"Oscar Pistorius has been spending time with people who were close to the girlfriend he shot and killed on Valentine's Day, the Olympian's family said Thursday in an indication that Pistorius is becoming more active while awaiting trial on a murder charge.

The family of Pistorius has stated that the runner was traumatized and in mourning over what he said was the mistaken shooting of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, but relatives and associates have increasingly signaled that Pistorius is emerging from what a spokeswoman described as isolation.

"Over the past few weeks, Oscar has found comfort in spending time and sharing memories with many of those whom she loved, in surroundings where shared memories were created," the family said in a statement Thursday."


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130411/oscar-pistorius-bail.ap/

I'm wondering who those friends of Reeva's are. Perhaps more like OP's friends that sortof knew Reeva but still support him. Because I can't see many, if any, of Reeva's true friends (like Gina) spending time with him.

MOO

 

[james83]

This still shocks me, what an error of judgement. (March 28 2013)

Oscar Pistorius has had his passport returned to him after lawyers successfully argued he should be allowed to travel abroad to compete despite being charged with the premeditated murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

 

[weeeva]

Spot on.
It's embarrassing that some people probably changed there opinion on this whole case on the basis of him crying and howling, dear oh dear, GULLIBLE.

Don't be embarrassed. I doubt if anyone on here bases their opinion on OP's tears. Just because a person has good insight into the human psyche and does not have a swinging brick for a heart does not mean they are gullible.

 

[Val1]

The door was locked from the inside so an intruder would not need to break the door down to enter into the next room. Oscar would not have known whether the door was locked or unlocked.

Objectively on his stumps he would have had a more difficult time retreating than an able bodied man. No legs from below the knees down is a pretty severe circumstance IMO.

The only evidence I'm aware of, other than OP's words, shows the keys on the outside of the toilet room door and in the pics no blood is visible, seems a wee bit odd...

 

[Ncl1968]

This still shocks me, what an error of judgement. (March 28 2013)

Oscar Pistorius has had his passport returned to him after lawyers successfully argued he should be allowed to travel abroad to compete despite being charged with the premeditated murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

Another reason I don't think he will turn up for sentencing... I didn't think he would without a passport anic::worms::worms::worms::worms::facepalm:

 

[Val1]

From an article in Sports Illustrated:

"Oscar Pistorius has been spending time with people who were close to the girlfriend he shot and killed on Valentine's Day, the Olympian's family said Thursday in an indication that Pistorius is becoming more active while awaiting trial on a murder charge.

The family of Pistorius has stated that the runner was traumatized and in mourning over what he said was the mistaken shooting of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, but relatives and associates have increasingly signaled that Pistorius is emerging from what a spokeswoman described as isolation.

"Over the past few weeks, Oscar has found comfort in spending time and sharing memories with many of those whom she loved, in surroundings where shared memories were created," the family said in a statement Thursday."


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130411/oscar-pistorius-bail.ap/

I'm wondering who those friends of Reeva's are. Perhaps more like OP's friends that sortof knew Reeva but still support him. Because I can't see many, if any, of Reeva's true friends (like Gina) spending time with him.

MOO

Seems to me he was knowingly interfering with possible witnesses, or was that removed from his bail conditions too?

 

[TorisMom003]

This still shocks me, what an error of judgement. (March 28 2013)

Oscar Pistorius has had his passport returned to him after lawyers successfully argued he should be allowed to travel abroad to compete despite being charged with the premeditated murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/03/11/pistorius-bail-appeal/1977899/

http://www.eonline.com/news/402348/...itions-relaxed-blade-runner-allowed-to-travel

 

[crasshopper]

You explained well what I was thinking. I could see where OP applying pressure to certain parts of her body would make blood squirt out even if she was dead. It could look like she spurted it out with a heartbeat when it really was him pressing on areas that forced more blood to spurt out a wound.

just fyi, unless her heart was still beating which I don't think it was when Dr. Stipp arrived observing Oscar applying pressure, those blood patterns would be different from a pulsatile arterial "spurt". Yes, blood could certainly be forced out though. Oscar may have applied pressure before her heart stopped beating too, hard to be certain.


According to a google search ->Textbook of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology : Principles and Practice, 5/e: the glistening of the cornea may get dimmed even before death." This may have been one such case where the corneal dimming appeared earlier than usual...?

 

[james83]

Don't be embarrassed. I doubt if anyone on here bases their opinion on OP's tears. Just because a person has good insight into the human psyche and does not have a swinging brick for a heart does not mean they are gullible.

Not specifically referring to people on here.
Oh i disagree, if anyone changed there mind because they heard a man facing a long stretch in prison sobbing and whaling, they are 100% gullible, JMO.

 

[BritsKate]

Don't be embarrassed. I doubt if anyone on here bases their opinion on OP's tears. Just because a person has good insight into the human psyche and does not have a swinging brick for a heart does not mean they are gullible.

Indeed. And just because a person feels Oscar lacks credibility and is waiting for something truly tangible from the defence doesn't mean they're torch-bearing, pitchfork wielding, cold-hearted, close-minded lunatics obsessed with sending an 'innocent' man to prison for the next coupla decades.

 

[james83]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/03/11/pistorius-bail-appeal/1977899/

http://www.eonline.com/news/402348/...itions-relaxed-blade-runner-allowed-to-travel

I can't imagine his legal advisor's were happy to make that appeal, another case of Oscar getting his own way. IMO.

 

[Jake18]

Well to answer part of that, near the time of death your body releases a lot of insulin and other factors which completely dilate your capillary bed (which holds way more than your blood volume), makes the capillary bed "leaky" allowing more of the plasma out of the intravascular blood and the eventual actual seeping of blood cells into the extravascular space which contributes to "lividity."

So nearly dead she would have exsanguinated as much as someone with an intact brainstem or no head injury. Assuming, which I do, that her limbs were hit first, in the seconds before the head shot, the bodies response was to vasoconstrict arteries to stem blood loss, just a tidbit there.

And post head injury her cardiac activity was so weak that this loss wasn't as great as expected? It doesn't make sense to me either and I'm not going to try to make things fit, I distinctly remember reading the heart muscle was pale which was noted as consistent with significant blood loss and being a bit surprised, which is why i remembered it. But I agree that arterial spurting is not possible without a beating head. I'm not a pathologist either, maybe one will turn up.

Edited to add : after that head injury Reeva was effectively dead. She would have been blue, lifeless and still. Some minutes of weak, likely poorly coordinated heart muscle contraction is not that controversial.

 

[weeeva]

If OP "knew" Reeva was in the bed, he had many other options to protect both of them. Why didn't he call 911/security before grabbing his gun, instead of telling Reeva to? If he talked softly, why did OP assume she heard him, or could find her phone in the dark? Wouldn't she say I heard it too and stop him from leaving with the gun and the safety of fleeing unharmed? Why didn't he think there were more than 1 intruder that could harm him and leave Reeva in more danger? But was more concerned about a rickochet bullet(sp?) hitting him. He's a :liar:

Because he was in a blind panic and not thinking like someone who is not in a blind panic perhaps?

 

[screecher]

In South African prisons do they allow prisoners to get an education? Since OP's career will more than likely be over (running professionally) after the trial, can he study something while in prison for him to get a jump start so to speak on a new career for when he is released? Since he has said he has an interest in architecture then maybe he can try that once he has served his prison time.

Perhaps he ought to spend his time behind the bars reading up. Reading every DIY publication he's able to get his hands on. You know, like how to replace panes of glass, how to install, repair, enable and check alarm systems. How to install burglar bars. If he gets really good at those things, he could possibly make a living by getting odd jobs around the neighborhood.

I mean, let's face it, he's not going to make any money running, nor is gonna be able to shoot off at the range anymore, he's gotta do something...he can put his paranoia to good use.

Course, that's only if he doesn't die whilst in the big house.

 

[TrueDetective]

Until a few weeks ago I had never heard of either OP or Reeva.

Seriously?

:scared:

 

[BritsKate]

The only evidence I'm aware of, other than OP's words, shows the keys on the outside of the toilet room door and in the pics no blood is visible, seems a wee bit odd...

I've said before in my area of the UK, locks like Oscar's are pretty common. It's a lock totally separate from the door handle, and the handle typically has no separate locking mechanism - like the stateside's push button.

Some people have stated they keep a key in the interior of the bathroom at all times. We don't and never have. It would seem odd, to me, for a single guy to keep a key in the toilet but maybe he did? I dunno...my family of four usually knows when someone is in there and if there's a doubt they just call out. We keep our interior door key on our keychains but it's rarely used - I have a rottie who would eat anyone who tried to hurt us. (And a black lab who would likely lick an intruder to death first. )

 

[TorisMom003]

I can't imagine his legal advisor's were happy to make that appeal, another case of Oscar getting his own way. IMO.

I think after all of the BS that OP has tried to lay firmly at their feet, OP may be getting an even larger bill for their services. I'm not sure how they can stand to be around him at this point. It's really pathetic when the accused is on the stand, placing blame on his lawyers and the State lawyer has to stand up for the defense lawyer.

MOO

 

[TrueDetective]

OP sure does seem to have a certain "type" that he is attracted to. All of the girlfriends that I know about are all blonde and look as if they could possibly be related.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...icky-Miles-Samantha-Taylor-Russian-model.html

I think there's a magazine for it.. Barely Legal I think it's called....