TRIAL - Ross Harris #1

[GA_Peach]

I don't agree. I do think this is another example of blowback on the State for exaggerating/misrepresenting RH's online searches, and for making them at all central to establishing intent/motive.

They didn't need to bring in the child-free search at all, and given that they interviewed Alex and knew the context (and had access to the chats via phone extraction) imo it was sloppy at best that they did.

But...whether I agree with the narrative or not, today is the first time I've seen the State HAVE a narrative about motive, and it is one that connects a lot of dots, the major one being how to make sense of a loving dad killing his son. Reply-- because when push came to shove, he valued his own life and freedom from Leanna & responsibilities more than he did Cooper.

I agree. I really don't understand the State's motivation for misrepresenting so many things. IMO it doesn't even bolster their case; in fact, it has done nothing other than harm it.

However, the jury is likely unaware of what has been previously reported in the media. While the DT will use this against the State, it won't look nearly as bad to an impartial juror as it does to those of us who have been following this case in the media.

JMHO in the context it was in, I see nothing bad about the comment reply. He was using a gas grill, so Alex was ribbing him about using that (instead of charcoal). If the State took something like THAT and tried to make something off of it, I would call that really reaching on that comment. JMHO

It is my opinion that this case is not going to be made by a single piece of evidence. There will not be a smoking gun when it comes to either negligence or intent. However, when the jurors get into the deliberation room I believe the verdict will come down to how they view the totality of the evidence. A majority of the comments made on this forum that have refuted the State's narrative are plausible. However, how plausible is that the all of those coincidences are merely coincidences? At some point, everything taken together becomes overwhelming evidence pointing to JRH murdering his child. It's easy to refute isolated data points, but when everything is viewed together, will the jury be able to say it's reasonable to overlook those same things?

Is it possible to forget Cooper in the time it takes to make the U-turn after leaving CFA?
Is Ross on autopilot because he normally goes back to work when leaving that area although he took Cooper inside CFA, which is outside his norm?
Why didn't Ross call daycare to say that Cooper was going to be late?
How often did Cooper arrive after 9:30? How often was daycare not called when Cooper did not show? [Don't think that either of these two items were addressed in trial.]
Why was Cooper in a car seat where he exceeded the height requirement?
Why were his straps not on the highest setting?
How could Ross not notice Cooper when he returned to the car at lunch?
Why was Ross's memory not jarred when he drove by CFA at lunch?
Why did Ross take a roundabout way to the movie theater?
How could Ross miss Cooper being in the car when he was mere inches from him?
Why was Ross so concerned about his guitar being damaged by the heat when he could not remember his own child?
Was Ross distracted by his sexting?
Did his extramarital affairs have him yearning to be "single" again?
How could Ross not have smelled Cooper?
Why didn't Ross see Cooper when he was on his way to the theater?
Why did Ross tell his friend that he would be late to the movie when he left in plenty of time?

None of these things taken in isolation scream guilt to me, but as the totality of the evidence builds, the State's case becomes more compelling. At the end of the day, Ross isn't guilty or not guilty because he prefers to cook his hamburgers on a gas grill instead of over charcoal. However, the State is arguing that Ross's wants an easier, freer life. The DT shouldn't give them any ammunition or data points. IMO that statement does nothing to help the defense.... I did get a good laugh when I heard it unfold though!

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't know if it's any or much different than previous exhibits, or just the way it was displayed this time- a really clear, full screen view.

It did show what options RH had for parking that AM, and where he parked imo wasn't a logical choice at all if he wanted to ensure nobody could see or hear Cooper in the car. Yes, less traffic because RH was late, but folks leave things in cars and go back out to get them, contractors come and go, perhaps vendors as well. No need to take that chance.

I may have missed it my feed kept buffering, so have to go back over later, but did either the State or Def ask Alex or Winston where RH may have parked other times? As a juror I would be curious.

 

[GA_Peach]

I may have missed it my feed kept buffering, so have to go back over later, but did either the State or Def ask Alex or Winston where RH may have parked other times? As a juror I would be curious.

I wanted to know the same thing! Was that spot available since Ross showed up later then normal?

 

[just the facts pls]

Point for the prosecution - "It wasn't faster to stop and pick up light bulbs at The Home Depot, was it?"

Another point - "You have to make your decision about which lane you are going to get into before making the U-turn, correct?" Correct.

And JRH didn't want to go to lunch unless someone else was driving. IMO he knew that would risk Cooper being seen, and also wanted to be far from work when the "discovery" happened.

There's a lot of choices he made that speak to him knowing Cooper was in the car.

JRH himself said he wanted to do things the easy way at a barbecue - but he did exactly the opposite the day Cooper died. He did everything the hard way, taking the longest time to get something as simple as light bulbs.

IMO even if the escort and underage sexting didn't exist, there's still enough facts from the day Cooper died to incriminate him.

 

[Bravo]

I know what my heart tells me but as a Juror I would have to rule with my head. I feel for these Jurors. I have randomly popped in as this was one of those cases that kept me awake at night. Especially after knowing how little man Cooper suffered. Thanks for all the updates folks. I am not sure the State can prove intent. I believe it was intentional. I am not a Juror so my opine really is a moot point.

 

[cbeagle]

Just a point, it's not "the Sprint project", instead it's a methodology called Agile where work is planned and organized around (typically) two week sprints or iterations. Each sprint has targets associated with it, usually functionality that can be tested by a user.

http://scrummethodology.com/scrum-sprint/

 

[Trotterly]

The jury are going to be feeling fleeced today. Child-free was one of the only pieces of evidence so far that promoted the to a murdering and now it's gone. The prosecution have been knocked back down the ladder and have to start climbing all over again. He's an even more loving father than he was last week, oh dear.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The friend said during conversations in the car, RH did not appear to have difficulty hearing or need assistance. He does not remember which ear is damaged. (Not surprising, IMO. I don't think I'd remember.)

RH did not complain to him about extra stress leading up to Cooper's death.

Generally, it was not RH's idea to see a movie. It was more common for the other friend's to suggest a movie. The movie was suggested that day. The movie was around 5:00 at and AMC near the Cumberland (sp?) mall. The movies are a right turn, then a straight shot up the road.

Going to the movie was actually suggested on 6/17/14 night prior at 7:11 p.m. by RH. Which showing was decided next day 6:18/14. Per Winston testimony.

 

[jamiect]

People Magazine
Testimony on Justin Ross Harris’ infidelity was ‘painful and infuriating’ to ex, says source http://peoplem.ag/laWkbRn

Isn't she testifying for the defense? Either way, her testimony is going to be very interesting to watch.

jmo

 

[Hope4More]

I agree. I really don't understand the State's motivation for misrepresenting so many things. IMO it doesn't even bolster their case; in fact, it has done nothing other than harm it.

However, the jury is likely unaware of what has been previously reported in the media. While the DT will use this against the State, it won't look nearly as bad to an impartial juror as it does to those of us who have been following this case in the media.



It is my opinion that this case is not going to be made by a single piece of evidence. There will not be a smoking gun when it comes to either negligence or intent. However, when the jurors get into the deliberation room I believe the verdict will come down to how they view the totality of the evidence. A majority of the comments made on this forum that have refuted the State's narrative are plausible. However, how plausible is that the all of those coincidences are merely coincidences? At some point, everything taken together becomes overwhelming evidence pointing to JRH murdering his child. It's easy to refute isolated data points, but when everything is viewed together, will the jury be able to say it's reasonable to overlook those same things?

Is it possible to forget Cooper in the time it takes to make the U-turn after leaving CFA?
Is Ross on autopilot because he normally goes back to work when leaving that area although he took Cooper inside CFA, which is outside his norm?
Why didn't Ross call daycare to say that Cooper was going to be late?
How often did Cooper arrive after 9:30? How often was daycare not called when Cooper did not show? [Don't think that either of these two items were addressed in trial.]
Why was Cooper in a car seat where he exceeded the height requirement?
Why were his straps not on the highest setting?
Why did Ross take a roundabout way to the movie theater?
How could Ross miss Cooper being in the car when he was mere inches from him?
Why was Ross so concerned about his guitar being damaged by the heat when he could not remember his own child?
Was Ross distracted by his sexting?
Did his extramarital affairs have him yearning to be "single" again?
How could Ross not have smelled Cooper?
Why didn't Ross see Cooper when he was on his way to the theater?
Why did Ross tell his friend that he would be late to the movie when he left in plenty of time?

None of these things taken in isolation scream guilt to me, but as the totality of the evidence builds, the State's case becomes more compelling. At the end of the day, Ross isn't guilty or not guilty because he prefers to cook his hamburgers on a gas grill instead of over charcoal. However, the State is arguing that Ross's wants an easier, freer life. The DT shouldn't give them any ammunition or data points. IMO that statement does nothing to help the defense.... I did get a good laugh when I heard it unfold though!

I've said from the beginning I may well change my mind a dozen times over before this is over, and am well on my way to that.

But whatever the vacillations, my needle stays stuck firmly in the middle of the meter. Nothing I've heard, even viewed as a whole, sways me to believing RH murdered Cooper.

I think the defense has already done a great job of whittling away or providing what imo are perfectly reasonable explanations for almost all those points, other than the largest question of all-- how RH could have forgotten Cooper.

And, imo there are as many points against it being murder, viewed as a whole.

I do think the State made significant progress today in having the jury feel it just to convict him not only of 2nd degree CC, but of felony murder.

This DT is really really good, though, and they haven't had their turn yet.

(BTW, I would be astounded if the majority of jurors had not heard or read about those incriminating online searches. I'm willing to bet the fact they're finding out what they heard was so inaccurate is going to give them some pause).

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
Movie was at 5 and he left work at 4. Hmmm

I checked. A drive to the Econolodge where D plied her wares was 23 minutes each way. A possibility, imo.

But he left after 4pm, it was more like 415 iirc. On the Econo Lodge (which is where D said RH met, but Escamillo said was Ramada) was there any calls to her that day? Not that I am aware of hearing about. JMHO since everyone else left at the same time, that part I see nothing fishy about. And I thought all along from reading here, I thought he msg his friends at 345 was going to be late? I did have to keep going to diff links maybe I missed that part. And there def was not a RH telling they had to come get him, as if it was odd or trying to keep them from getting in his car. JMHO

 

[PaperDoll]

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. A parent who loves his child(ren) does not disrespect and knowingly hurt the child's other parent. I will never be convinced that purposely hurting a child's parent shows any sort of love for the child.

I agree, if the parents aredoing well, it will trickle down to the kids.

 

[arkansasmimi]

He said he was going to be a couple of minutes late for the movie???

From my notes (and could be wrong) but I have that he msg back in the chat back and forth that would be there ASAP. I missed being late to the movie if it was testified to.

 

[MsJosie]

Question....just what hours did RH work at Home Depot? HE drops off son at 930am leaves 4:15pm.....those are not 40 hour weeks when you take into consideration at least an hour for lunch. So, what was he doing during the 'work hours' he was not working?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Boring showed Milling copies of their Google chats in the days leading up to Cooper’s death.

They tried to message Harris from the movie theater that the movie was starting.

On June 17, 2014, there is message in the group chat from Harris, asking his friends if they wanted to go see 22 Jump Street. It was Harris’ idea to go to the movie.

Milling’s wife was going to go to the movie too.

Harris said he was going to be a few minutes late, according to Milling.

Although spouses were welcome to go to the movie, Harris said in the Google chat that Leanna wouldn’t be going “but I don’t care.”

This is what is confusing to me. As far as I can understand from testimony, everything went through the group chat. I do not remember them reading that RH typed out that he would be late. I remb "will be there ASAP from RH, then the next msg from Winston at 519pm Hey where are you movie starting (paraphrasing) ) Maybe RH said that at lunch and not in the chat. Since the chats were that morning prior to lunch.

 

[lauriej]

Prosecution just confirmed that this witness will not and has refused to speak to them.


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..just watched some of his testimony, he looked like he'd rather be elsewhere, not to mention he was dressed for wherever that was.

he had zero respect for the court, slouched down in the chair, chin in his hand, "yep, yep, nope, nope, yep..."

I also find it hard to believe that an IT guy would have never heard of Whisper, they're usually up on everything computer related..

 

[just the facts pls]

People Magazine
Testimony on Justin Ross Harris’ infidelity was ‘painful and infuriating’ to ex, says source http://peoplem.ag/laWkbRn

Isn't she testifying for the defense? Either way, her testimony is going to be very interesting to watch.

jmo

Thanks for posting this.

Wow that is very interesting. So it's painful and infuriating for her to hear about JRH's infidelities, but not that her own son Cooper baked to death in a hot car? Priorities - someone needs to explain this concept to her.

And yeah, she's going to testify for the defense. :facepalm:

 

[arkansasmimi]

Philip A. Holloway Verified account ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 13m13 minutes ago Marietta, GA

#RossHarris friend says Harris frequently drove to lunch with the group but would not agree to drive the day of #HotCarDeath

JMHO this is kinda out of context of the testimony. It was not like this tweet implies (according to the chat messages read)

 

[magnolia]

..just watched some of his testimony, he looked like he'd rather be elsewhere, not to mention he was dressed for wherever that was.

he had zero respect for the court, slouched down in the chair, chin in his hand, "yep, yep, nope, nope, yep..."

I also find it hard to believe that an IT guy would have never heard of Whisper, they're usually up on everything computer related..

He let it be known, by his body language,that he DID NOT want to be there. He appeared annoyed and impatient . He coughed quite a few times. Perhaps he was not feeling well.

 

[GA_Peach]

I've said from the beginning I may well change my mind a dozen times over before this is over, and am well on my way to that.

But whatever the vacillations, my needle stays stuck firmly in the middle of the meter. Nothing I've heard, even viewed as a whole, sways me to believing RH murdered Cooper.

I think the defense has already done a great job of whittling away or providing what imo are perfectly reasonable explanations for almost all those points, other than the largest question of all-- how RH could have forgotten Cooper.

And, imo there are as many points against it being murder, viewed as a whole.

I do think the State made significant progress today in having the jury feel it just to convict him not only of 2nd degree CC, but of felony murder.

This DT is really really good, though, and they haven't had their turn yet.

(BTW, I would be astounded if the majority of jurors had not heard or read about those incriminating online searches. I'm willing to bet the fact they're finding out what they heard was so inaccurate is going to give them some pause).

I am not at malice murder yet, but as the data points mount, it becomes harder to explain away each and every event.

At the end of the trial, I think my gut is going to tell me thst he is guilty of malice murder, but the evidence won't support the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.