GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #4

[nothingnew]

Do you recall the name of the book? Thank you

human might be right about Ann Rule writing a book about them but I *think* the book in question actually Darcy O'Brien Two of a Kind The Hillside Strangler

http://books.google.com/books/about/Two_of_a_Kind_the_Hillside_Stranglers.html?id=d2ieVApcAB4C

 

[manzana]

Bringing forward the search warrant for clarity.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf

I think there is a second one floating around, at least maybe by the media and that is why there is so much confusion, ie restraints etc.

 

[Donjeta]

I believe she was found with a belt around her. The search warrant just listed the size of the belts they took from the home, not the size found with the body.

The warrant lists the size of belts they were looking for but is not specific as to whch size and description were the belts they actually took.

What I also find noteworthy is that the warrant says they should look for male clothing of certain size but the document does not list them taking any.

 

[KMouse]

Any thoughts on a non-pickup truck type of vehicle such as a minivan being the mode of transportation for dumping the body on the road?

Minivans have the back hatch and they also have sliding doors.

Just thinking out loud here.

ETA more wondering than thinking: female condom??????

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I think there is a second one floating around, at least maybe by the media and that is why there is so much confusion, ie restraints etc.

There is a second one? WTH?

 

[ctkid]

The search warrant does not use the word restraints, just anything that can be used as such. But the wfaa link does use the word restraints.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarr...of-slain-Saginaw-girls-parents-214656741.html

Could that just be a choice of words, and not actually restraints made for such a function.

 

[theyamqueen]

I think there is a second one floating around, at least maybe by the media and that is why there is so much confusion, ie restraints etc.

I've only seen the one. The restraints, IMO, are just a thing that looks "damning" to certain people and it's something that they jump on, even when it's very likely something totally irrelevant. I bet if they executed search warrants on every house in the neighborhood, there would be grown up restraints in multiple households, probably with children. I'm hoping that LE aren't as hung up on a few grown-ups' sexual proclivities and can focus on the other evidence at hand.

But, of course, MOO.

 

[coastal]

Waiting to hear responsible explanation for someone to have arm and leg restraints at there home. jmo

I couldn't wait, so I (also) googled arm/leg restraints this morning. Besides the medical and law enforcement applications, and skipping past the sexual bondge types, I did find another valid use for them: race cars have them. And dune buggies, ATVs (quads) and those little Rhino and Razr-things have them, too.

Rhino Arm Restraint:
http://www.duneguide.com/images/Rhino-ArmRestraint-1.jpg

Razr:
http://www.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-si...eps-white-lightning-evasive-green-le/features

Race Cars (FYI):

The Loring Timing Association sponsors a Land Speed Racing Event , during which, participants drive cars and/or mototcycles in competitive Trials (races) for the fastest speeds ever recorded on land; and, for which, they issued the following Rules and Regulations in 2013:

http://www.lta-lsr.com/Documents/2013 Rules and Records.pdf

Rules and Records
v. 2013
Covering Competition at LTA Speed Trials
Page 20
3.D DRIVER RESTRAINTS
>>>snip
…3.D.3 Arm/Leg Restraints:
...
D: Effective January 2010, SFI specification 3.3 arm restraints with a manufacturerʼs date of 2006 or later are required in all vehicles.
E: Arm restraints shall be combined with the driver belt system such that the arm restraints are released in conjunction with driverʼs belts.
F: Participants are cautioned that all controls be mounted as close to the steering wheel as possible to keep all arm restraints as short as possible.
G: Legs shall be restrained by tethers, panels (non-body), bars or net.
H: The restraint system shall be capable of preventing the driverʼs arms/legs from extending outside the roll structure and/or frame rails in an incident that includes a body panel separation.
...
<<<snip

It's been said in these threads that Alanna's family had recently been camping. If this is true, maybe they "camp" like we do: we're all about our "toys" and not camping at all, really. We're desert rats here in Cali. We've got motorhomes and trailers full of toys instead of tents and fishing poles. Camping = quads and buggies and dunes; there's even a Razr in the family (much to my dismay). (Google Glamis Dunes) This means that although I didn't know it, I must own some number of "arm/leg restraints" myself . We just call them "cages" or "nets" or "roll bars" instead.

Could it be that simple, Alanna's family owns/rides ATVs, or races?

 

[ctkid]

I am thinking that we maybe focused on the word 'restraints', as a item built for such a purpose. Instead of any item that could be used to restrain someone.

 

[manzana]

I'm hoping that LE aren't as hung up on a few grown-ups' sexual proclivities and can focus on the other evidence at hand.

But, of course, MOO.

I do not think people are hung up on their sexual proclivities, if anything I think people are more prone to pass the buck on them as if to say, I am open minded.

ETA To clear up, I did not mean two SW, only that media put their spin on the one and posters here were using the media take as well as the original, thus the confusion....all linked above.

 

[matou]

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf

 

[Donjeta]

The search warrant does not use the word restraints, just anything that can be used as such. But the wfaa link does use the word restraints.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarr...of-slain-Saginaw-girls-parents-214656741.html

Could that just be a choice of words, and not actually restraints made for such a function.

The search warrant does not use the word restraint in the part that lists what they were looking for but it does in the part that says what they took. (#63 and #31)

it might mean something or it might not, as obviously whatever was found in the house was not left at the crime scene with Alanna. i gathered that she was found tied up? So it may be that whatever she was restrained with has already been found at the scene?

 

[EGirl]

The search warrant does not use the word restraints, just anything that can be used as such. But the wfaa link does use the word restraints.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarr...of-slain-Saginaw-girls-parents-214656741.html

Could that just be a choice of words, and not actually restraints made for such a function.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf

Item# 31 on page 8
Item# 50 on page 9
Item# 63 specifically says arm and leg restraints.

 

[randomtexan]

I couldn't wait, so I (also) googled arm/leg restraints this morning. Besides the medical and law enforcement applications, and skipping past the sexual bondge types, I did find another valid use for them: race cars have them. And dune buggies, ATVs (quads) and those little Rhino and Razr-things have them, too.

Rhino Arm Restraint:
http://www.duneguide.com/images/Rhino-ArmRestraint-1.jpg

Razr:
http://www.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-si...eps-white-lightning-evasive-green-le/features

Race Cars (FYI):

The Loring Timing Association sponsors a Land Speed Racing Event , during which, participants drive cars and/or mototcycles in competitive Trials (races) for the fastest speeds ever recorded on land; and, for which, they issued the following Rules and Regulations in 2013:

http://www.lta-lsr.com/Documents/2013 Rules and Records.pdf

Rules and Records
v. 2013
Covering Competition at LTA Speed Trials
Page 20
3.D DRIVER RESTRAINTS
>>>snip
…3.D.3 Arm/Leg Restraints:
...
D: Effective January 2010, SFI specification 3.3 arm restraints with a manufacturer&#700;s date of 2006 or later are required in all vehicles.
E: Arm restraints shall be combined with the driver belt system such that the arm restraints are released in conjunction with driver&#700;s belts.
F: Participants are cautioned that all controls be mounted as close to the steering wheel as possible to keep all arm restraints as short as possible.
G: Legs shall be restrained by tethers, panels (non-body), bars or net.
H: The restraint system shall be capable of preventing the driver&#700;s arms/legs from extending outside the roll structure and/or frame rails in an incident that includes a body panel separation.
...
<<<snip

It's been said in these threads that Alanna's family had recently been camping. If this is true, maybe they "camp" like we do: we're all about our "toys" and not camping at all, really. We're desert rats here in Cali. We've got motorhomes and trailers full of toys instead of tents and fishing poles. Camping = quads and buggies and dunes; there's even a Razr in the family (much to my dismay). (Google Glamis Dunes) This means that although I didn't know it, I must own some number of "arm/leg restraints" myself . We just call them "cages" or "nets" or "roll bars" instead.

Could it be that simple, Alanna's family owns/rides ATVs, or races?

They had been to a church camp.

 

[manzana]

Does not sound like they were all too tech savvy.


here are the specs on their Gateway, from 1960, ok maybe not that much of a dinosaur but close.
http://www.jlaenterprises.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_96&products_id=352

 

[theyamqueen]

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf

Item# 31 on page 8
Item# 50 on page 9
Item# 63 specifically says arm and leg restraints.

I don't think anyone is debating what was actually taken. They took restraints (whatever that generic term meant for those items removed) but they weren't there to specifically look for just those restraints. They were there to look for any material that could be a restraint, which as pointed out by someone earlier could be practically anything. At this point, there is no correlation between adult restraints (if that's even what was found in the home) and what was on that baby girl. All that has been told 100% is that she was restrained but not with what or how.

 

[Donjeta]

Does not sound like they were all too tech savvy.


here are the specs on their Gateway, from 1960, ok maybe not that much of a dinosaur but close.
http://www.jlaenterprises.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_96&products_id=352

There were several computers and USB drives or external hard drives taken. There could be some old computers stashed in the closet while the ones that were currently in use were more up to date.

 

[Elley Mae]

The search warrant does not use the word restraints, just anything that can be used as such. But the wfaa link does use the word restraints.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarr...of-slain-Saginaw-girls-parents-214656741.html

Could that just be a choice of words, and not actually restraints made for such a function.

Thanks for the link ctkid

from the link.

In the hours after six-year-old Alanna Gallagher was found bound and gagged along a residential road in Saginaw last week, investigators served four search warrants on her family’s vehicles and home, seeking DNA samples, computer equipment and anything that could be used as a restraint.

bbm, that would imply to me that Alanna had marks on her body that suggesting she was restrained. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

wonder if the gagging was toilet paper.

 

[Flutterby80]

Thanks for the link ctkid

from the link.

In the hours after six-year-old Alanna Gallagher was found bound and gagged along a residential road in Saginaw last week, investigators served four search warrants on her family’s vehicles and home, seeking DNA samples, computer equipment and anything that could be used as a restraint.

bbm, that would imply to me that Alanna had marks on her body that suggesting she was restrained. jmo

Possibly restrained at times other than the time of her death, I suppose. I am really hoping for more info soon