GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #6

[:+:MrTT:+:]

A five-minute mile is a magnificent time for a very experienced runner.

Why not leave her where you killed her? Why take a chance on getting caught by transporting a deceased child?
She was killed in the neighborhood.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

A five-minute mile is a magnificent time for a very experienced runner.

When I put in a mile-distance on Google Maps, it says it would take 20 minutes to walk it. Is that more accurate?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Why not leave her where you killed her? Why take a chance on getting caught by transporting a deceased child?

She was probably killed inside a house, so he couldn't just leave her there. Murdered children are transported all the time. It's more risky for the body to be found easily than to drive with the body in the car. Although if the body did fall out accidentally because the truck didn't have a tailgate, I will never understand what the killer was thinking.

 

[blue22]

Regarding the boy's reaction. I risk embarrassing myself here, but...when I was 17, I saw a puppy break his leg. I fell to my knees and cried. The thing is, up until that point...I had never seen someone/something helpless, be injured. It was horrifying and shocking. If the boy had never seen anything like that in his life (obviously, he hasn't) I think what he did is NOT odd. Some people might say me falling to my knees over a puppy is odd, but it was utterly shocking and sad.

I think unless you (in the general sense) are attempting to implicate the boy, it seems silly to go back and forth about his reaction. ARE people attempting to implicate him? I would think LE has DNA tested and cleared this boy already. The family and friends, and people who find the victim...are usually the first people they try to clear or implicate.

 

[cypress]

Merging two theories -- perhaps it was someone who lived in the neighborhood who thought they'd have more time at home, but something happened to interfere with their plans and, ultimately, the disposal of Alanna's body. If someone was interrupted (perhaps a phone call stating a family member would be home earlier than expected, etc.), the primary goal would be to get Alanna out of the house, so the person might've only been able to drive a short distance to dispose of her body. It's not completely unthinkable that the person was holding the tarp and then just dumped her body at the most convenient intersection where there was no traffic.

Also, if her body was dumped because of panic, it seems to reason that the perpetrator needed to be somewhere (either back at home or somewhere for a meeting), and that's why he/she was careless/hurried when dumping Alanna's body.

I strongly believe the perpetrator is in the neighborhood and not a drifter. If it was a drifter/random visitor, she would've likely been abducted and taken somewhere else. The abduction and body dump were within a mile or so of where she lived, and I believe the assault/murder happened in that area as well. The perpetrator needed some amount of privacy to assault/ murder her and to wrap up her body, but it's summer and more people are outside, so it seems like the perpetrator would need some sort of enclosed space (house, barn, some sort of facility). I just don't envision a scenario in which a perpetrator abducts her, takes her to a location farther away (out of the neighborhood), and drives back to her neighborhood with her dead body in his vehicle (in broad daylight, no less). That just doesn't make sense to me, even if the killer is inexperienced.

IMHO, something or someone unexpected interrupted the killer, and that's why Alanna was dumped the way/where she was.

This is where LE approaching the public through the media would be helpful. Who was home during that time? Was there anyone off work that day who took off extra time after the murder and/or who was acting strangely when he/she returned to work?

 

[CHERIE.T]

I was just going to mention this, but I saw your response first. Her underwear would be telling. Most boys don't wear purple panties.

:seeya: Cypress, refresh my memory. Was it stated anywhere that the boy or boys saw the deceased's underwear?
tia

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

She was probably killed inside a house, so he couldn't just leave her there. Murdered children are transported all the time. It's more risky for the body to be found easily than to drive with the body in the car. Although if the body did fall out accidentally because the truck didn't have a tailgate, I will never understand what the killer was thinking.

Well, she was killed not long after she was taken.........I have read cases where killers take children and kill them elsewhere and than bring them back to the area they took them from to be found.......But this is one of the first i have read here on this site, where a killer kills a child and then on the way out of the area they loose the child...............or dropped the child off in the same area, or close by where she was taken.

So a theory is she is taken, killed and on the way out of the area, she is left where found by accident or was left there on purpose?

Just having a hard time grasping that....Usually, from what ive read, the killer takes a child takes them out of the area, kills them somewhere else and then brings them back.........here we have takes child kills soon afterwards in the area she was taken from, and then left behind in the same area as the killer is leaving the area............

 

[GingerzMomma]

True, my examples are all people reacting to something sudden related to an actual relative. But have we become so cold and emotionless as a society that we expect young men or anyone else for that matter not to react with an intense level of shock and grief at finding a dead little girl on their street? Regardless of whether or not she is related?
Is the reaction of the two young neighbors who posted a casual youtube video about Alanna's body more in line with what we as a society now expect?

I think the reaction of this young man tells a lot about his character, how he is not desensitized and how he at least, still sees a little girl as a precious gift and not an item to be thrown away like trash. His reaction moved me, frankly. I see nothing odd about it and unless someone is accusing him, I see no more reason to scrutinize this poor kid so I think I probably should step away from the conversation for now!

No. Or, at least I hope not. I've attended on procedures where I absolutely must compose myself, but it's clear even before it comes back to the lab that the news is going to be bad (i.e., terminal cancer, etc). I won't lie: I go in the bathroom and silently cry for a couple minutes.

Two of the worst for me:

a. single mom in her 40's w/ little girl in elementary school w/ recurrence of breast cancer spread to pleural cavity(space around lungs) - less than 1 yr prognosis (and she lived about 6 months)

b. a smoker in her 50/60's first diagnosed at stage 4 (i.e. there is no stage 5)......her whole family was there and were clearly loving and concerned, but didn't seem to understand that a simple surgery & chemo wouldn't "cure" her......sometimes I don't know how the doctors relay this news?.

Did I drop to my knees sobbing? No. I usually don't cry at all (not that it's ever easy....). But, there are times where the circumstances around a case that I can "coldly" accept as a standard occupational hazard do pull on my heartstrings and I have to take a moment for myself to be less than professional.

That said, while the "it" word does bother me......I'd hope that any near adult upon realizing they found a dead child would be distraught.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Safe but shocked: A young woman falls to her knees in the city centre of Van

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eath-toll-rises-270-killed-1-300-injured.html

SHE wailed and wailed. And wailed. Fatima Aqhlaqi fell to her knees and let go a scream from somewhere deep beneath, showing her grief at the death of her brother-in-law Farhan Khaligy.http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/screams-of-grief-for-dead-and-lost/story-e6freuy9-1226006576717


BUENOS AIRES, Argentina — A mother in Argentina says she fell to her knees in shock after finding her baby alive in a coffin in the morgue nearly 12 hours after the girl had been declared dead.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/argentina-baby-alive-morgue_n_1417041.html

The image of the burned, empty building was in stark contrast to the town’s packed gymnasium where relatives of the victims gathered late on Sunday to mourn after the mortuary became overwhelmed with bodies.
One woman fell to her knees in grief at the coffin of a relative, while others waited to identify their loved ones.http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...side-the-brazil-nightclub-where-233-died?lite


The mother of a 13-month-old toddler who died allegedly at the hands of his father fell to her knees in grief Friday morning after learning the accused killer was given a bond. Toni Brown’s tearful wails echoed in the hallway on the second floor of the Clayton County Courthouse. Relatives surrounded Brown as she struggled to make sense of Chief Magistrate Daphne Walker’s ruling to set a $165,000 bond for defendant Ryan Russell Edwards.http://www.news-daily.com/news/2012/jun/22/man-gets-bond-babys-death/

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2283450.htm

I frankly can't think of much that is more tragic than unexpectedly finding a dead baby in the street. People would react in various ways. Some may vomit, some panic and run, some call 911 immediately, some might fall to their knees and sob. I think the age and the expectation of a teen in such a situation may have something to do with how he might react.

I just don't find this reaction of a young teen to such a gruesome and horrific find as remotely odd or abnormal. He must have been filled with shock and grief at finding a baby girl where he expected to find trash.

Respectfully snipped.
And THESE pictures show people reacting to LOVED ONE (s) WHO DIED OR WERE HARMED. not strangers IMOOOOOOOOOO

 

[cypress]

:seeya: Cypress, refresh my memory. Was it stated anywhere that the boy or boys saw the deceased's underwear?
tia

Multiple news reports state that she was naked except for her purple panties. Here's a link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...exas-named-alanna-gallagher-article-1.1389968

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Merging two theories -- perhaps it was someone who lived in the neighborhood who thought they'd have more time at home, but something happened to interfere with their plans and, ultimately, the disposal of Alanna's body. If someone was interrupted (perhaps a phone call stating a family member would be home earlier than expected, etc.), the primary goal would be to get Alanna out of the house, so the person might've only been able to drive a short distance to dispose of her body. It's not completely unthinkable that the person was holding the tarp and then just dumped her body at the most convenient intersection where there was no traffic.

Also, if her body was dumped because of panic, it seems to reason that the perpetrator needed to be somewhere (either back at home or somewhere for a meeting), and that's why he/she was careless/hurried when dumping Alanna's body.

I strongly believe the perpetrator is in the neighborhood and not a drifter. If it was a drifter/random visitor, she would've likely been abducted and taken somewhere else. The abduction and body dump were within a mile or so of where she lived, and I believe the assault/murder happened in that area as well. The perpetrator needed some amount of privacy to assault/ murder her and to wrap up her body, but it's summer and more people are outside, so it seems like the perpetrator would need some sort of enclosed space (house, barn, some sort of facility). I just don't envision a scenario in which a perpetrator abducts her, takes her to a location farther away (out of the neighborhood), and drives back to her neighborhood with her dead body in his vehicle (in broad daylight, no less). That just doesn't make sense to me, even if the killer is inexperienced.

IMHO, something or someone unexpected interrupted the killer, and that's why Alanna was dumped the way/where she was.

This is where LE approaching the public through the media would be helpful. Who was home during that time? Was there anyone off work that day who took off extra time after the murder and/or who was acting strangely when he/she returned to work?

Good post!!.......Your more articulate than I am. You have a good way of describing your thoughts in details and what you see......I don't have that.
Thank you for posting.

 

[GingerzMomma]

A five-minute mile is a magnificent time for a very experienced runner.

Yes it is! I'm a runner and that's 12mph!! At my best (highschool) I could SPRINT 7-8mph - but NOT over a full mile!

 

[human]

I just have a hard time with the slipping out of a vehicle........You take and kill a child and before you get a mile and a half away NOT from the neighborhood, but from where she lived you loose her because she fell out of the vehicle........I am just finding it really hard to imagine that occurring. Though it could have happened just like that I don't know.......I think she was killed right around there and then left by the curb....I don't think she was being transported in a vehicle........A mile away from home, which is not far at all. You could walk that in 4 or 5 minutes i believe. yes.

Um, walk a mile in 4-5 minutes? That would be darn good. I am pleased because I walk a 20 minute mile, but that is uphills.

How did she get to that neighborhood?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Multiple news reports state that she was naked except for her purple panties. Here's a link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...exas-named-alanna-gallagher-article-1.1389968

Yes I know reports state that but wondering if the boys who discovered her stated that. Thanks for your reply. :moo:

 

[kkdj]

It doesn't sound like the witness saw the purple underwear at that point:

'At first, I just thought it was some rubber stuff at first, and then I got a closer look and all I saw was a bag and I saw some hair sticking out and so, I was like, "Oh my God! It’s a girl!"' he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-6-dead-tarp-Saginaw-Texas.html#ixzz2ZFQYAnbR
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I tbink its just the first thing that he thought.
Also if I found a child dead wrapped up with a bag over her head I think I just might go weak at the knees and I just might cry.
Jmo

 

[Salem]

Please do not post pictures of children, not even your own, on our threads.

While we appreciate the pics (and the child was beautiful), WS threads are not an appropriate place to showcase them

We want to always do our best to protect any child.

Thanks so much,

Salem

 

[SapphireSteel]

Regarding the "dumping" of the body -

Little Ahlittia has just been found inside a garbage bin at the curb on trash day.

She wasn't there when LE originally searched.

The perp hoped her body would go out in that day's trash and hid it until the trash pick up.

It appears the perps in that case may have been two brothers who had access to the child and to some empty houses.

I see this for Alanna. Someone who had access to her, and an empty house or workplace - but not empty for long, he had to get rid of her before *advertiser censored* came home/back to work.

It was trash day, right? Maybe he assumed the garbos would pick her up off the road and toss her in without looking.
:twocents:

 

[human]

Regarding the "dumping" of the body -

Little Ahlittia has just been found inside a garbage bin at the curb on trash day.

She wasn't there when LE originally searched.

The perp hoped her body would go out in that day's trash and hid it until the trash pick up.

It appears the perps in that case may have been two brothers who had access to the child and to some empty houses.

I see this for Alanna. Someone who had access to her, and an empty house or workplace - but not empty for long, he had to get rid of her before *advertiser censored* came home/back to work.

It was trash day, right? Maybe he assumed the garbos would pick her up off the road and toss her in without looking.
:twocents:

So the tarp, the belt, the restraints, the pool chemicals? They were all ready for such a day? Was it planned?

Had the perp planned on just any child or was she targeted because she was available?

 

[wfgodot]

I've got to say no, don't think so, to the "the body slipped out of the bed of a pickup truck accidentally" conjecture. It's a little too....too what; madcap maybe. I'm unfamiliar with this having ever happened, a body rolling out or falling off and being left there accidentally.

Yes, first time for everything, I know. Does anyone know of an incident of this nature having happened, involving a murder victim? Maybe it has happened before. If an example has been posted here, I've missed it. It would be interesting if such has occurred to learn of it.

I agree with those above who think the body was left at that particular spot either in panic, or as a convenience as the killer moved toward his or her own dwelling, or as a way of signifying something, - just what it might signify, I have no idea.

 

[GingerzMomma]

Please do not post pictures of children, not even your own, on our threads.

While we appreciate the pics (and the child was beautiful), WS threads are not an appropriate place to showcase them

We want to always do our best to protect any child.

Thanks so much,

Salem

Yes. I'm a "noobs", but I'd imagine the creepy types and straight up perps that we talk about probably lurk here.

I almost used my kids as my pic, and then thought better of it.

But yes, a very handsome young man!