TX - Austin Package Bombs #3

[human]

Well, I guess offering prayers don't mean much to me. And while family of alleged Tampa serial killer are praying, they are refusing to testify against their son (assuming we are talking about the same case?)

The issue brought up was that they have not. They profess their religion. So , it is curious and revealing to me.

 

[human]

It seems like we are allowed to comment on the parents. I feel that they are not ordinary. The mother, along with her two sisters, was a Vikings cheerleader. That certainly is not easily accomplished.

The father seems to be successful in Amway. Is that lucrative?

I was surprised by their smallish looking house. Maybe it is incredible inside. They would not have to spend much on clothing their children as they did not send them to school where kids wear expensive fashions,

Helping their son buy a house is something many parents that I know do. Middle class parents. We did it for our three children. It is something that can be done without a lot of cash but gives kids a huge advantage.

 

[x_files]

Elliot Rodger's parents:
http://time.com/136764/elliot-rodger-parents/

Virginia Tech shooter's family:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18201501/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/he-made-world-weep-chos-family-says

Orlando shooting: At Fort Pierce Islamic Center, Mateen’s imam weeps

However, the Aunt did address the victim's families. I overlooked it but nothing from the Conditt family nor their Church.

 

[x_files]

Well, I guess offering prayers don't mean much to me. And while family of alleged Tampa serial killer are praying, they are refusing to testify against their son (assuming we are talking about the same case?)

I understand. That case is extremely frustrating to me.

 

[x_files]

It seems like we are allowed to comment on the parents. I feel that they are not ordinary. The mother, along with her two sisters, was a Vikings cheerleader. That certainly is not easily accomplished.

The father seems to be successful in Amway. Is that lucrative?

I was surprised by their smallish looking house. Maybe it is incredible inside. They would not have to spend much on clothing their children as they did not send them to school where kids wear expensive fashions,

Helping their son buy a house is something many parents that I know do. Middle class parents. We did it for our three children. It is something that can be done without a lot of cash but gives kids a huge advantage.

I'm unsure if we can dicuss them or not.
I am however curious about her being a Vikings cheerleader? as in NFL Vikings?

 

[enelram]

I've read that the father was employed by Insight in Austin a computer/tech co.- as an engineer, is a college grad.

 

[rsd1200]

I know! Is someone doing a timeline of MAC’s life? Because I’m trying to figure out what the heck this kid did since he was fired August. And before that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...thony-conditt-austin-serial-bomber/444738002/

So his Mom graduates him from homeschool in Feb 2013. He’s 17 or 18. He’s attended (online?) community college classes 2010 - 2012 when he’s around 15 to 17.

He gets a job in shipping with a semiconductor company at 19.

Last year, on Feb 21, 2017, he and his Dad get the deed for the North 2nd St house when he’s around 22.

He gets fired in August. (For what?)

So this young man lives in his own house away from mum and dad, has wheels, no job, and wasn’t supposedly online doing stuff? And no girls? Mom and dad aren’t aware? Roommates aren’t aware? What the heck did he do all day?

I think there is still a lot out there and am frustrated LE is being so tight lipped. A start would be the release of MAC’s video manifesto.

Agreed.

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[cattlekate]

We are all speculating amongst ourselves as to why Mark felt such an angry desire to slaughter people he seemed to not know personally.

But until the APD releases Mark’s video diatribe, or some insiders come forward, I’m of the opinion that this kid suffered from from a host of social disabilities and wasn’t a psychopath. And that Mark didn’t have normal medical intervention and help like most kids get by being in public schools and not in an insular society.

I rewatched Elliot Rodger’s YouTube lamentations last night. I bet there are similarities with Elliot and Mark. And Mark had the added crutch of being so isolated and fed a bunch of beliefs which may have made him feel totally worthless and unredeemable.

There will be lessons to be learned.

 

[jjenny]

My opinion is that he was exactly who he said he was, a psychopath. He admitted that he wasn't able to feel remorse for his actions. He was able to behave normally without getting into trouble, so what medical intervention are we talking about? There is no medical intervention that can change a psychopath.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

Young man 23 with little social media, with a smartphone, no photos seems really odd to me!

idunno. ..people say this about me because i only have a facebook that i haven't used since 2007. I just...have no friends irl.
when you're young and don't have a regular job and aren't in school. ..you go into this weird limbo where you don't exist (have a presence on social media) because you have nothing to show. or whatever i'm trying to say.

well MAC was good with computers I read so maybe he was using a proxy or something.

 

[rsd1200]

The issue brought up was that they have not. They profess their religion. So , it is curious and revealing to me.

Not long after he detonated himself, his family said in a statement that they were praying for the families who lost family members and those who'd been impacted in any way, and the soul of their son. I figured they meant family members who'd lost a loved one, and victims who'd survived, but had been hospitalized from opening the bombs.

The large majority of folks aren't very good at public speaking, or writing public statements, in the first place (That's why there are political speechwriters). I think they tried, but no matter what they said, it wouldn't be the right words. They're his parents, they will automatically be under scrutiny. However, this was a 23 y/o adult male, living on his own, who made the decision, to build bombs, commit murder, and terrorize his community. He knew what he was doing. It's all on him, unless, of course, we find that he had a buddy.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

Since he didn't study abnormal psychology in college nor have a degree or expertise in diagnosing behavior disorders, I wouldn't consider his opinion to be expert. Probably just something he read online or heard in a movie. Maybe he though it was a cool thing to brag about himself, made him feel cool.

Virginia Tech student Natalie Keepers also referred to herself as a "sociopath in training" when she helped her "friend" David Eisenhauer murder and dispose of the body of 13 year old Nicole Lovell.

http://www.richmond.com/news/virgin...cle_6947b4d0-2dce-5de8-9395-fb907683e106.html

Eisenhauer and Keeper were also raised in cloistered or isolated conservative Christian families. Both attended private "Christian" schools growing up and only emerged into mainstream society later in high school. Both were in their freshman year at Virginia Tech and neither fit in with other students who had more conventional social and educational backgrounds.

Both decided they wanted to plan a "perfect murder" and chose a 13 yo girl that Eisenhauer had lured into an online relationship. Again, it was a case of "othering", thinking it was ok to have a sexual relationship, then kill a young girl because she wasn't like them.

There's something happening when these kids are growing up in these hyper-Christian education environments. Something they're learning, either overtly or indirectly, is convincing them they are superior to others. When the time comes to get out in the real world, some don't fit in. They're not prepared, haven't been helped with the transition. Their way of responding to social rejection from their real world peers is with violence.

It's a small subset of this group that's having problems with normal socialization, but JMO, we need to think about some research to find out how to prevent it. Do Amish or Mennonite young who leave the faith strike out and use violence against others? It would be interesting to know, but I don't know of any cases offhand. It may have to do with the individual interpretations of their religions - peace loving vs violent fire and brimstone. The Amish and Mennonites also have different views about the use of deadly weapons. It's definitely worth studying the young adults who've had isolated upbringings.

I think you may be onto something here. I think it goes both ways with personality (adjustment) differences resulting from being raised outside of the "mainstream" being misconstrued into being a "sociopath" or psychopath" by kids who were raised in these cloistered Christian settings and want to fit it but never will so they make up an ego boosting title.
Also, it could have something to do with kids raised in these cloistered settings failing to adjust and being very impressionable when it comes to media and culture that was hidden away from them as children after encountering it in adulthood.

I only know of one Amish murder case that has to do with the outside world, he would sell to"the English", but he suffered from a severe mental illness and didn't really live outside of the Amish community for a long period of time. He killed his wife.

I think the "rub" lies in the gloom-and-doom, post apocalyptic, us vs them, warfare mentality a lot of extreme right groups have especially when they indoctrinate children who have no other frame of reference for anything in the world.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

What would you look for in this particular case? He wasn't constantly (or even ever) getting in trouble like some others, where at least there was an idea that something is going to happen. Most people just describe him as quiet.

"Failure to adjust" is a big red flag. The thing his former manager (?) said about him not following orders. Other than that, his views on homosexuality and women -- but the rub there is that wouldn't have been a red flag to his folks because that's where he got his beliefs from.

People are so good at blocking others out that everything bad is a terrible shock to them.

Sounds like he had “ the rules don’t apply to me” mentality.

and "i know better than you" arrogance with fits with his socializing behavior being characterized as "pugnacious".

 

[jjenny]

Not long after he detonated himself, his family said in a statement that they were praying for the families who lost family members and those who'd been impacted in any way, and the soul of their son. I figured they meant family members who'd lost a loved one, and victims who'd survived, but had been hospitalized from opening the bombs.

The large majority of folks aren't very good at public speaking, or writing public statements, in the first place (That's why there are political speechwriters). I think they tried, but no matter what they said, it wouldn't be the right words. They're his parents, they will automatically be under scrutiny. However, this was a 23 y/o adult male, living on his own, who made the decision, to build bombs, commit murder, and terrorize his community. He knew what he was doing. It's all on him, unless, of course, we find that he had a buddy.

There you go. I found the statement. So they did offer prayers. Like I said, it doesn't mean anything to me, but some poster erroneously stated they didn't but they did.

“We are devastated and broken at the news that our family could be involved in such an awful way. We had no idea of the darkness that Mark must have been in. Our family is a normal family in every way. We love, we pray, and we try to inspire and serve others. Right now our prayers are for those families that have lost loved ones, for those impacted in any way, and for the soul of our Mark. We are grieving and we are in shock. Please respect our privacy as we deal with this terrible, terrible knowledge and try to support each other through this time.”
https://www.statesman.com/news/loca...s-bombing-suspect-was/WKajysywCqjuMpEEPtYPSL/

 

[BooBooTheFool]

My opinion is that he was exactly who he said he was, a psychopath. He admitted that he wasn't able to feel remorse for his actions. He was able to behave normally without getting into trouble, so what medical intervention are we talking about? There is no medical intervention that can change a psychopath.

Agree to disagree, social disorders vs psychopath is where we are; I don't think he was a psychopath. i think he was having social difficulties and failing to adapt to adult life. if he were in public schools, it probably would've been caught by teachers but he was home schooled in an echo chamber.
I just don't think he was something as remarkable as a psychopath, he may have wanted that label to martyr his failure of a life.

to most people who've never suffered with a mental illness; symptoms of ordinary, mundane mental illnesses can seem like sociopathy or psychopathy (especially when it comes to world view) to the uninitiated especially if they go untreated for long periods of time and are allowed to fester.

 

[human]

I'm unsure if we can dicuss them or not.
I am however curious about her being a Vikings cheerleader? as in NFL Vikings?

I believe so.

 

[human]

I'm unsure if we can dicuss them or not.
I am however curious about her being a Vikings cheerleader? as in NFL Vikings?

http://www.startribune.com/austin-b...win-cities-graduated-from-gustavus/477527613/

Danene Conditt, 56, and two sisters were Parkettes, a group of cheerleaders many years ago for the Minnesota Vikings, according to the Parkettes alumni website. Both sisters still live in the Twin Cities.

(Sounds like it could be some high school thing as they went to St. Louis Park high school )

 

[enelram]

From today's Austin Stateman-

Austin Police are saying one of MAC's roomates is a person of interest and has been called back in for questioning.
I'm guessing this is the one kept overnight earlier. The other one was just questioned earlier but not detained.

There's also mention that the police will probably release the confession when the investigation is concluded.

They interviewed a homeschooled friend of Conditt who sounded like Conditt has some earlier issues. Friend
thought he had turned a corner and was stable now. ??

I stilll think his father's statement to the neighbor about buying/fixing up the house w/ his son, was him trying to
"bond" with his son. I still believe there were some issues there.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by x_files View Post
"Relatives of bombing victim Esperanza “Hope” Herrera say they’re praying for the soul of the bomber, Mark Conditt."

yet, nothing from Mark's family or his Church regarding the victims, nor asking anyone to help them. If so, it's not in the local news.

https://www.statesman.com/news/famil...c8F26lkNuwSTM/

The silence speaks volumes

JMHO I am sure they are in shock and they are getting ready if not already to bury their family member. Not really sure what they could say to the public at this time. If they knew anything they should say it to the LEO investigating. I have seen it in other cases, no matter if they do or don't say anything we (public) try to make something out of it. I just don't know what they could say.

 

[arkansasmimi]

However, the Aunt did address the victim's families. I overlooked it but nothing from the Conditt family nor their Church.

IIRC the Aunt that spoke out or the statement that was was as a spokesperson for the family.



“We are devastated and broken at the news that our family could be involved in such an awful way. We had no idea of the darkness that Mark must have been in. Our family is a normal family in every way. We love, we pray, and we try to inspire and serve others. Right now our prayers are for those families that have lost loved ones, for those impacted in any way, and for the soul of our Mark. We are grieving and we are in shock. Please respect our privacy as we deal with this terrible, terrible knowledge and try to support each other through this time.” https://www.statesman.com/news/loca...s-bombing-suspect-was/WKajysywCqjuMpEEPtYPSL/

The statement was read to the American-Statesman by an aunt of Conditt’s who only gave her first name, Shanee.