GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #31 *Arrest*

[CookieM]

I've also been wondering what type of evidence LE may have found that led them to the AK charge. Based on LE referring to him as "sexually frustrated" and also mentioning that he had multiple data storage items in his car, I can't help but wonder if they found pornographic photos and/or videos of kidnapping, rape, etc. and that LE possibly believes this was his motive, whether in was planned or not. If LE found something like that, would it be enough for intent? Whether or not this type of evidence was found, I do believe that the DNA found in the trunk was, at the very least, a substantial amount of CM's blood, otherwise, how else could they make the AK charge stick without evidence of SA?
MOO.


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That's a good thought, but I think from the affidavit the only "observed" that there were storage devices in his vehicle and the AK charge and arrest warrant was served before gathering any computers or storage devices from his house.

 

[SteveS]

I've also been wondering what type of evidence LE may have found that led them to the AK charge. Based on LE referring to him as "sexually frustrated" and also mentioning that he had multiple data storage items in his car, I can't help but wonder if they found pornographic photos and/or videos of kidnapping, rape, etc. and that LE possibly believes this was his motive, whether in was planned or not. If LE found something like that, would it be enough for intent? Whether or not this type of evidence was found, I do believe that the DNA found in the trunk was, at the very least, a substantial amount of CM's blood, otherwise, how else could they make the AK charge stick without evidence of SA?
MOO.


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Yeah, LE is way smarter than we want to give them credit for! While what they put in the affidavits seems flimsy to prove SA, they'd know that just like we do, and no way they're arresting him (and revealing as much to him as they did) with just that as their case imo. Here's what LE said: "I hope people understand how much time and how much work we’ve actually been doing on this all along. This is just a small percentage of everything we’ve done. This is just the information we needed to get the arrest and search warrant.”

 

[Cortne]

I have been thinking about this for a bit..

I have had a thought that may explain some things. What if Christina was planning on going somewhere with EA but didn't tell anyone else. Nothing wrong with not wanting everyone in your business. They could have even discussed it on the way to the garage. I can see EA saying well, you better call SN now so he's not calling later to make sure you got home. Maybe she wanted him to take her to someone, somewhere, get high who knows. What if the 2nd ping near the SOL was when he was returning her to her car Or even back to the apartment and something happened at that time rather than right after they left the garage. There's still plenty of time before the Kroger video for lots to have transpired.

 

[Chocoholic]

That's a good thought, but I think from the affidavit the only "observed" that there were storage devices in his vehicle and the AK charge and arrest warrant was served before gathering any computers or storage devices from his house.

Would LE have been able to take anything during a search without a warrant? I think I wrongly assumed that they had taken those from his car early on.

Learning a lot from y'all. Thanks everyone for giving me a lot to think about.

 

[Agent.Veritas]

Yes, cunning is obviously quite possible. Which one would have won, panic or cold cunning? Fear (ie panic) can override thinking, but he would have to have felt fear for that to matter. I'm guessing panic if I have to choose here, but I really dunno.

Your guess?

I erred on the side of fear/panic for months, but with more time passing and still no Christina, it seems like a luck-based hiding place is growing less-likely. IMO.

PPD is exceptionally good, and if they haven't located her, I can't help but think it's because:

1. The right places aren't being checked (something amiss in the current profile/theory)
2. She is literally and physically not here. Not nearby whatsoever. Moved--with the help of someone with greater resources and connections-- to somewhere not here.

But I don't know, either.
They need her back.

 

[CookieM]

Would LE have been able to take anything during a search without a warrant? I think I wrongly assumed that they had taken those from his car early on.

Learning a lot from y'all. Thanks everyone for giving me a lot to think about.

If they did I think it would get thrown out of court. Unlawful search and seizure , I believe. You can't just take stuff or go through things without a warrant.

ETA: I'm responding to the question about not needing a warrant. If they found those things when they searched his car the first time that they had the search warrant for his car, then yes I could see that.

 

[VTinTX]

Would LE have been able to take anything during a search without a warrant? I think I wrongly assumed that they had taken those from his car early on.

Learning a lot from y'all. Thanks everyone for giving me a lot to think about.

That's what I was wondering too. Would items IN his car be searchable with the search warrant for the car? Meaning, if the data storage devices were in the car when LE had possession of it, could LE search them? I would think yes. I need to go back and read the search warrants/affidavit.


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[SaintGirl]

Ok, QF, I understand what you mean. You are wanting everyone to realize that no one (on WS site) has personally seen him commit any crime. I agree, personally no I have not. However we are here to figure out what happened to her and find her...aren't we? So we are looking and reading through all the affidavits, warrants, MSM, SM and we've all come up with our own theories as to what happened and no ones theory seems to be exactly like anyone else's, so we are just talking in circles.

Your main point is to get (this forum) to agree that we have not seen him commit a crime of AK? Is that it?
I'm confused why you keep saying LE is going to have a hard time convincing 12 jurors, but you don't know what evidence they even have.

Perhaps they have him on camera assaulting her and placing her in his trunk. Has that ever crossed your mind? If that's what evidence they have....it won't be very hard to get an AK conviction.

Perhaps they have his entire phone history and they know exactly what his "intent" was, which was to abduct/kidnap her and inflict bodily harm on her..... it won't be very hard to get an AK conviction.

Many many scenarios to look at that we just can't bc no one knows what they have on him. Your guessing they have nothing and I'm guessing they do. Neither of us know for sure, obviously.

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[Quailfoot]

If they did I think it would get thrown out of court. Unlawful search and seizure , I believe. You can't just take stuff or go through things without a warrant.

ETA: I'm responding to the question about not needing a warrant. If they found those things when they searched his car the first time that they had the search warrant for his car, then yes I could see that.

Didn't he give them the car twice voluntarily? Then, if I remember the third time was by warrant.

I don't know how these things work, but I would think if he gave them the car voluntarily, they could pretty much search for whatever they wanted on it.

 

[catpatrol]

If they did I think it would get thrown out of court. Unlawful search and seizure , I believe. You can't just take stuff or go through things without a warrant.

ETA: I'm responding to the question about not needing a warrant. If they found those things when they searched his car the first time that they had the search warrant for his car, then yes I could see that.

I'm not sure that would apply if EA gave consent voluntarily. LE only needs to be able to prove that EA gave consent voluntarily, not under coercion. Otherwise, a consent search is perfectly legal.

 

[SteveS]

AV, I understand your sense of things, but I'm of the opinion that this is a super-mega-gigantic haystack that they're looking in for the small Christina needle. To me, it's the size of the area itself, and not any particular skill at hiding her, that's kept her from being discovered.

Using my space-limiting scenario where he's hiding her within a 2-hour window, you still have perhaps TWO MILLION ACRES where she could be. That assumes I'm right - if I'm wrong, it gets even bigger. How long would that take to search acre by acre? Obviously some areas that are heavily trafficked can be eliminated just by the reality that she would have already been found if she was there, but it's gonna take some time by all odds.

 

[Quailfoot]

Thinking about intent, I would guess that for AK to stick his intent from the get-go would have to be to harm or SA her. But what if, as someone else said, that for whatever reason she went willingly in his car (and there is really no reason to question why she would -- I mean I could sit here all day questioning why she would be in a relationship with HF and actually live with that guy, but she did, so who knows?)
So what if she goes willingly with him and in that 40 minute time span they stop, maybe they were supposed to meet up with someone and while waiting, the decide to smoke a joint, which is possible if she's been all freaked out and upset -- he might think: geez calm this chick down.
Then while they are high, he makes a move on her. Maybe he truly hadn't been planning to earlier but the opportunity presents itself. In this scenario he didn't intend to harm her when she got in the car, he didn't intend to SA her. But now they are high and he makes a move and what if things get out if hand and he kills her? He'd probably freak out, put her in the trunk, maybe think about dropping her back at her car and hope it looks like a random killing. But when he approaches the garage area, cars are leaving so he changes his mind and heads back to Allen.
Obviously in this scenario hd would bd guilty of murder, but what I'm saying is that, as others have said, her or her DNA being in the trunk really does not prove his intent to kidnap and SA her. It could have happened in a different way.
I'm not disputing he had a hand in this, and these are my opinions, but if I were a juror I would need to see more evidence to explain how her DNA was found where it was and what led up to that. I personally think there is more to this story.

And, this is why I keep saying that I think they'd have an easier time proving murder without a body than aggravated kidnapping.

 

[CookieM]

And, this is why I keep saying that I think they'd have an easier time proving murder without a body than aggravated kidnapping.

I agree! But AK fit the purpose to get him in jail at this point, right?

 

[brado]

No conflicts, but that's because the last ping we know of was at 5:32 am near his house. (I'd guess that LE has lots more ping info than we've heard, but you don't know what you don't know.)

I've limited my scenario guesses to the limits of what is known, mostly affidavits. As we learn more - and I'm sure at some point we will - then revise if needed.

I agree. I wish we had pings for the time up to the Kroger video, I sure hope LE has those.

 

[AudlyEnough]

What makes you say that?

I just keep thinking, What have you done with SN, Boots?! [emoji1] Sorry, the migraine meds make me a little loopy.

 

[Agent.Veritas]

AV, I understand your sense of things, but I'm of the opinion that this is a super-mega-gigantic haystack that they're looking in for the small Christina needle. To me, it's the size of the area itself, and not any particular skill at hiding her, that's kept her from being discovered.

Using my space-limiting scenario where he's hiding her within a 2-hour window, you still have perhaps TWO MILLION ACRES where she could be. That assumes I'm right - if I'm wrong, it gets even bigger. How long would that take to search acre by acre? Obviously some areas that are heavily trafficked can be eliminated just by the reality that she would have already been found if she was there, but it's gonna take some time by all odds.

Oh, I definitely respect the math and logic you're using. I felt the same way, all the way through December. Occam's Razor.

How long before the theory gets revised though? And I'm not asking rhetorically. How many months of looking in the same region without success before you'd feel comfortable expanding the perimeter? For me, four months felt like a good frustration point. I know it's tough to make this forecast, but I'm curious as to what yall's peak might be.

 

[misslu]

I have been thinking about this for a bit..

A suppose quite a few people have been thinking that way. I've believed he took her to someone but the 4a.m. time gets me.
What are some other possibilities for her willingly leaving with him?

Getting high..maybe he had to run home to grab supplies. Would they have gotten high at his house or drive to somewhere secluded? If they were doing more than smoking weed could she have had a bad reaction and panic took over?

Consensual sex...not likely (IMO)

Grabbing food...but the whataburger trip already occured

Grabbing coffee...maybe. Coffee after drinking is a personal preference I suppose. Not for me. Although I also get migraines like her and crave caffeine on the onset.

Confronting someone or meeting up with someone...all those calls to HF. I've said before it seems frantic. Was she informed of something or did something occur late in the night to upset her? Did she want to see her ex? Would anyone even be out and about at 4am for a random meet up?

 

[Faithx2]

"Going somewhere" can include lots of varying options (going to get coffee, going to get drugs, going to some place or to see someone, or who knows what) and I agree (and have been saying for quite some time now) that the planned go-and-return scenario fits so well.

Following that, I can see them getting back to the Shops area to return her to her car (as planned all along), and then things go awry as they get close. To me, the fact they there was a return, that wasn't detoured until the last minute, hints that things were still going okay until then.

Maybe it's at this point, after a ride, that EA decides it's time to make his "move," and it's his last chance of the night - - and then he gets rebuffed. Shot down for a 2nd time in the same evening, things get ugly from there as he explodes? I can see that.

We do know that at some point, she ended up IN HIS TRUNK according to LE, so there's no way they went somewhere and back without - at some point - him going wacko on her. It's just a question of where/when imo. (Not saying I know the why, but LE thinks they have figured it out, and I'll go with that.)

I have thought this scenerio was possible but then why the sudden stop of communication from Christina? It really does not make sense. She was preoccupied the whole evening trying to get in touch with HF. Calling and texting him with no response. So thats what gets me. Even walking to the car she is calling SN and ALP plus we have not seen all her text messages that evening. So she suddenly stops trying to call or text anyone. And from what we know from LE even the communications from EA's phone to HF were before that last clip of them walking into the garage. Also the timestamp on the video clearly says 3:57am but LE keeps using 3:55 giving him 3 whole minutes to do something to her and put her in his trunk before leaving the garage. Plenty of time for her to kick the crap out of him and bite him as she is fighting like hell to get away.

I am sorry but the more I think about it the more I feel if she willing went with him and was sitting in that passenger seat she would have been on her phone and/or his continuing to try to contact HF. Like someone said there was a flurry of calls and texts then silence. I dont believe her phone died. IMO until we get more solid evidence

 

[misslu]

I erred on the side of fear/panic for months, but with more time passing and still no Christina, it seems like a luck-based hiding place is growing less-likely. IMO.

PPD is exceptionally good, and if they haven't located her, I can't help but think it's because:

1. The right places aren't being checked (something amiss in the current profile/theory)
2. She is literally and physically not here. Not nearby whatsoever. Moved--with the help of someone with greater resources and connections-- to somewhere not here.

But I don't know, either.
They need her back.

I think 1 and 2 could even both be happening here. The theory of where they went and why could explain where she was taken. IMO.

 

[misslu]

I have thought this scenerio was possible but then why the sudden stop of communication from Christina? It really does not make sense. She was preoccupied the whole evening trying to get in touch with HF. Calling and texting him with no response. So thats what gets me. Even walking to the car she is calling SN and ALP plus we have not seen all her text messages that evening. So she suddenly stops trying to call or text anyone. And from what we know from LE even the communications from EA's phone to HF were before that last clip of them walking into the garage. Also the timestamp on the video clearly says 3:57am but LE keeps using 3:55 giving him 3 whole minutes to do something to her and put her in his trunk before leaving the garage. Plenty of time for her to kick the crap out of him and bite him as she is fighting like hell to get away.

I am sorry but the more I think about it the more I feel if she willing went with him and was sitting in that passenger seat she would have been on her phone and/or his continuing to try to contact HF. Like someone said there was a flurry of calls and texts then silence. I dont believe her phone died. IMO until we get more solid evidence

EA seems kind of pushy IMO (the couch story) Maybe he said give it up already, stop calling the guy, turn your phone off. And for whatever reason, maybe she thought it was a good idea and did what he suggested.
Also, do we know she was calling him the entire evening? We know of some calls and texts but from what I understood there was a flurry of calls to HF towards the end of the night/morning. That doesn't necessarily mean it was all night long. IMO