GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #31 *Arrest*

[misslu]

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Thanks for the direct quote from LE. I'd like to read the whole article in context. Where can I find it? Thanks in advance.

http://m.starlocalmedia.com/allenam...6cc-87e2-11e4-b296-13824fa23769.html?mode=jqm

It is in this article but the quote provided is pretty much all that was said on the subject by Tilley. Says a lot though, IMO. So hope they have so much more and are close to finding her.

 

[BaeMomma]

I've also been wondering what type of evidence LE may have found that led them to the AK charge. Based on LE referring to him as "sexually frustrated" and also mentioning that he had multiple data storage items in his car, I can't help but wonder if they found pornographic photos and/or videos of kidnapping, rape, etc. and that LE possibly believes this was his motive, whether in was planned or not. If LE found something like that, would it be enough for intent? Whether or not this type of evidence was found, I do believe that the DNA found in the trunk was, at the very least, a substantial amount of CM's blood, otherwise, how else could they make the AK charge stick without evidence of SA?
MOO.
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Whoa, good one! I've also thought how we know sooo much (not all) about CM's phone log that morning, there's no mention of EA's except that his phone was used to contact HF 3x minutes before he left the garage. Wonder if he was texting or calling someone about his motive. Idk.. but wouldn't that be a gold mine.

 

[Danman80]

Though I appreciate everyone's ideas and opinions, I personally don't believe sleuthing is possible at this point. LE hasn't tipped their hand yet, and by their own admission have only released a "small percentage of what they've done". Trying to determine if LE has enough to convict EA on AK charges yet is impossible. Here's what is known: 1. EA lied continually and throughout the investigation about what he and CM did the last night she was seen 2. In the trunk of EA's car was CM's DNA. That is all the info I personally need to hold me until LE releases more info about the case. As long as CM is still missing, I hope LE follows standard operating procedures and holds all information close until they have to release it. I also hope EA gets adequate representation to eliminate any new trial based on faulty attorneys.

I believe EA is 100% guilty of harming CM and causing her disappearance. I believe he acted alone with the possible exception of he might have had help after the fact in clean up. I believe this because of the very tiny amount of information LE has released. My opinions might change upon new revelations. I also think a reason CM hasn't been found after an exhaustive search is because she may have been placed in a dumpster. But regardless of what I think, CM's DNA was found in EA's trunk. I have driven a car for 30 years, and I honestly cannot recall any instance that anyone's DNA, including mine, have ever been in my trunk. EA is guilty of something, and right now until LE starts a trial, that is enough for me to be thankful he's off the street.

The above is my opinion. Here's hoping CM is found soon.

 

[misslu]

Why did SN offer to drive Christina home? Was she not wanting to drive? Was she trying to reach HF so he could pick her up or meet her halfway or something? Could he have wanted her home and said he's coming to get her and she was trying to tell him she was on her way? Why would she text a supposedly sleeping person to leave the door unlocked? Its a stretch I know but say he was mad and said he's coming to get her and she responds with leave if you want but leave the door unlocked so I can get in. I'm confused on whether she was drinking that night. I know some VIs said she wasn't but out til 4am sober, around other people drinking, does not sound fun at all. I'd like to know if she was impaired too much to drive or if even enough to affect her decision making.

 

[misslu]

Whoa, good one! I've also thought how we know sooo much (not all) about CM's phone log that morning, there's no mention of EA's except that his phone was used to contact HF 3x minutes before he left the garage. Wonder if he was texting or calling someone about his motive. Idk.. but wouldn't that be a gold mine.

Or if the day before they went out if he was texting someone lewd things. Remember, the note found implied texts from the day before should be deleted. IMO.

 

[CookieM]

EA seems kind of pushy IMO (the couch story) Maybe he said give it up already, stop calling the guy, turn your phone off. And for whatever reason, maybe she thought it was a good idea and did what he suggested.
Also, do we know she was calling him the entire evening? We know of some calls and texts but from what I understood there was a flurry of calls to HF towards the end of the night/morning. That doesn't necessarily mean it was all night long. IMO

Very true. All we've seen is the call list from the show and from that we see a large amount of calls in a row to HF, then she did speak to two other people. Maybe after she spoke to SN and ALP she decided to lay off calling HF. I'm sure LE knows so much more, but obviously not enough to recover her body unfortunately.

 

[misslu]

Very true. All we've seen is the call list from the show and from that we see a large amount of calls in a row to HF, then she did speak to two other people. Maybe after age spoke to SN and ALP she decided to lay off calling HF. I'm sure LE knows so much more, but obviously not enough to recover her body unfortunately.

Yes, a distraction away from the boyfriend got her to put the phone down. Very possible! Wonder how long the phone call to ALP was, was that mentioned in the show?

 

[Chocoholic]

Yes, definitely.

From her side, she needed to keep at it until she got her point across, and he wasn't answering.
From his, she was making a mountain out of a molehill, and he didn't wanna hear it anymore

He was right, of course! lol

Hey, be careful, I think you're outnumbered here [emoji6]

 

[Mamamerced]

Though I appreciate everyone's ideas and opinions, I personally don't believe sleuthing is possible at this point. LE hasn't tipped their hand yet, and by their own admission have only released a "small percentage of what they've done".

That's truth in a nutshell.

 

[windrower]

"Going somewhere" can include lots of varying options (going to get coffee, going to get drugs, going to some place or to see someone, or who knows what) and I agree (and have been saying for quite some time now) that the planned go-and-return scenario fits so well.

Following that, I can see them getting back to the Shops area to return her to her car (as planned all along), and then things go awry as they get close. To me, the fact they there was a return, that wasn't detoured until the last minute, hints that things were still going okay until then.

Maybe it's at this point, after a ride, that EA decides it's time to make his "move," and it's his last chance of the night - - and then he gets rebuffed. Shot down for a 2nd time in the same evening, things get ugly from there as he explodes? I can see that.

We do know that at some point, she ended up IN HIS TRUNK according to LE, so there's no way they went somewhere and back without - at some point - him going wacko on her. It's just a question of where/when imo. (Not saying I know the why, but LE thinks they have figured it out, and I'll go with that.)

And whenever he went wacko on her, her phone use would have stopped--no more texts, phone calls, IMs, etc. If LE has complete phone records, and I would assume they do, I would imagine there is a pretty clear picture for their timeline.

I do think the scenario above is quite possible, and I hope the areas of the Shops close to the last pings have been checked for places with damage that might have been caused by a car. Or would that be impossible to find? I don't know the area at all. Sooo many possibilities of how the car damage occurred--honestly, I've wondered if they fought in the car, she managed to get out, and he ran her down. Maybe she was in the trunk, came to, pulled the latch, startling EA into running into a guardrail or something. Maybe wherever he took her out of the trunk, he hit something because he was agitated and in a hurry.

Iirc, according to a coworker, EA had shown interest in CM because he had shown her picture at work prior to this incident. By the time he and CM return to the Shops and her car, he tries to make a move, and it goes horribly awry, and she goes missing.

One additional thing, for me, is that LE believes she was in the trunk when EA went home, which leaves at least some possibility he had help after the fact. But the timeline we do know, and SteveS's scenario with timeline above, makes me think this is all EA, unless instead of the driving to leave CM somewhere, he had help, and he was home cleaning the heck out of his car before going to work.

Best for me to remember, LE has lots more info, and I bet they have a pretty good timeline in hand. Back to reading and trying to catch up!

 

[Happyshoes]

Welllllll we arent allowed to discuss our sleuthing. Lol But your post makes me think you have reasons to believe someone else is involved. Interesting.

I also think someone helped him after the fact. Do I get in trouble if I say it is a male, older, speaks Spanish? As far as the crime itself, I think he alone did it. She didn't use her phone again because she couldn't.
Can someone refresh me on his route again - not the particular streets, but he left the garage, went home, back to SOL area, then back home? Home for how long before going to work?

 

[BaeMomma]

And, this is why I keep saying that I think they'd have an easier time proving murder without a body than aggravated kidnapping.

True, but that's assuming they don't have specific evidence that supports the AK charge.

 

[windrower]

I've also been wondering what type of evidence LE may have found that led them to the AK charge. Based on LE referring to him as "sexually frustrated" and also mentioning that he had multiple data storage items in his car, I can't help but wonder if they found pornographic photos and/or videos of kidnapping, rape, etc. and that LE possibly believes this was his motive, whether in was planned or not. If LE found something like that, would it be enough for intent? Whether or not this type of evidence was found, I do believe that the DNA found in the trunk was, at the very least, a substantial amount of CM's blood, otherwise, how else could they make the AK charge stick without evidence of SA? MOO.

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IMO: Maybe semen was found with her DNA in the trunk? Just thinking out loud . . . LE has not shared all of what they've found, IMO.

 

[misslu]

Kind of curious about this. Do you mean something like EA killed CM and someone else disposed of her?

I cannot wrap my brain around how that may play out. I mean, it's one thing if more than one person share in the act of committing murder and proceed to cover their tracks together..... Can't imagine that

ETA:Ok, I think my ADD kicked in here...

Can't imagine who would help after the fact if they weren't involved to begin with.

I don't want to answer for Quailfoot, but IMO it's easier to wrap your head around if you think of 2 very powerful emotions. Fear or love.
Fear: I'm sure everyone's heard of a story in which someone helps to cover up a crime because of guilt by association. Think of people at a party for example, one person od's and instead of calling for help they will get together to hide the body, dump the person outside of a hospital etc etc. It makes no sense but it happens. It makes more sense to call for help, say we were doing this drug and this is what happened. But that implicates them doing drugs. So instead they basically kill someone with neglect. People react to fear in strange ways. Its possible even a witness to a murder could involve themselves in a cover up out of sheer panic IMO

Love: While I can't say I would do it for someone, some people might help someone they loved cover up even a horrible crime.

Then there's the possibility of a third party all along. That theory gets messy but not impossible. All this is JMO and I'd still also like to hear QF's take on it.

O/T- my ADD runs rampant on here too, in case no one noticed.

 

[LibbyinTexas]

You make good points, but I think some of it is easily answered, some less so. Then, we have to consider what possibilities that leaves us.

I think part of the equation was that her phone ran out of juice. Or was about to run out, or she wanted to save the last bit for her drive home, something like that. Didn't she have one of those iPhones that drains a battery like mad, and hadn't she been in it constantly for an hour or so? In addition, that offers a reasonable explanation of why she borrowed EAs phone as she walked to the car.

So she gives him his phone back, they get to the car(s), and now what?

Well, imo she couldn't talk/text unless she uses his.phone. Or gets hers charged. So those are my assumptions and that leaves us with the following, I think, in the order of what I see as most likely to least (my thoughts about how other evidence might fit together influencing my thoughts here, of course) ....

1 passenger - she doesn't talk/text because borrowing his phone to interact elsewhere while she was riding in his car would be rude, she doesnt even ask
2 passenger - she doesn't talk/text because she asked but he won't let her borrow it, and maybe he's using it
3 passenger - she doesn't talk/text because they are lost in conversation
4 in trunk - she doesn't talk/text because she can't
5 passenger - she doesn't talk/text because she is disinterested in talk/text for awhile

Didn't we hear somewhere that there was the possibility that EA had thought her phone had died as it was still pinging in the same area as his phone and that it was possible it was in the trunk with her? Am I making this all up or isn't true that the pings were together around 121? So we don't know if she was texting, calling or unconscious in the trunk and her phone pinging? But that for sure the pinging was from both phones at same place off 121 and then silence?

 

[LibbyinTexas]

As I've played with the possibilities, I've come to think it was pretty much like LE has outlined, where she's in his trunk at 5:32 near his home. To me that fits the movements the best.

I really DON'T like the dumpster idea, after that. To me, that only works if it's in a panic, right after something happens at the Shops area, and he drives to the nearest dumpster and gets rid of her. But later on, we would be assuming that, while it's daylight, he's going to a place with people (business, apartments, etc) and moving a body from his trunk. I just don't see it.

I can see the "tarp" idea as part of a Sat morning scenario - - don't figure he had one with him all along, but maybe grabbed one (if they had some) from the garage at the house. But not sure that it makes much diff (to limit the possibilities) is she's outside and in a tarp, or simply left outside, although having a tarp might slow discovery a while if she's in an otherwise noticeable area. Would look more like debris, perhaps.

This question has been asked before several times but, what do we know about landfills being checked? Which I know would be a monumental task...but, what has been said about landfills if anything? At this point, I think it isn't pleasant but, why not? It doesn't have to be a panic. They have a shed at their house... could be the next day... ???

 

[LibbyinTexas]

Thank you. I dont believe he killed her in the garage but he did something to cause complete silence from her phone. She would have called 911 or alerted someone if she ever had the chance.

But i"m pretty sure they said her phone pinged with his phone around 121.... which is pretty much puts a nail in his coffin if you ask me...that along with the DNA.... thats proof she was in that car outside the garage. In the trunk? He didn't know her phone was still on etc... but I am sure I heard that her phone pinged on that route with him.

 

[CookieM]

I also think someone helped him after the fact. Do I get in trouble if I say it is a male, older, speaks Spanish? As far as the crime itself, I think he alone did it. She didn't use her phone again because she couldn't.
Can someone refresh me on his route again - not the particular streets, but he left the garage, went home, back to SOL area, then back home? Home for how long before going to work?

Left the Shops garage by Henry's (seen leaving by cameras at 3:58), traveled on 121 (Sam Rayburn Tollway) to at least just past the Custer Road toll gantry (tagged by NTTA at 4:08), at some point turned around and was back just north of the Shops near the Granite Parkway Toll tower (her phone pinged at 4:47, his at 4:56), then near his home (his phone pinged at 5:32.)
He went home once according to the what was in the warrants.

 

[brado]

Left the Shops garage by Henry's (seen leaving by cameras at 3:58), traveled on 121 (Sam Rayburn Tollway) to at least just past the Custer Road toll gantry (tagged by NTTA at 4:08), at some point turned around and was back just north of the Shops near the Granite Parkway Toll tower (her phone pinged at 4:47, his at 4:56), then near his home (his phone pinged at 5:32.)
He went home once according to the what was in the warrants.

I'm curious why his phone wouldn't ping at the same time as hers did at 4:47 a.m. I can see hers not pinging at 4:56 if the battery finally went dead, but how does his ping at 4:56 but not at 4:47?

 

[Justme34]

Does your phone only ping when your using it or someone is trying to get a hold of you? Or does it just randomly ping?