GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #31 *Arrest*

[Bootsctr]

I havent caught up on thread yet, but the thought just occurred to me. Could it have been SB using SN phone? Maybe she could have called Christina to say, hey, its me. I didnt call from my phone so he doesnt know its me. Is everything ok? And Christina could have answered, I am still walking back to my car. Just a thought! IMO

I like the way you think. Just because SN's cell phone was used doesn't mean SN was doing the calling. Could have been PP or SB or yes even SN.... I tend to lean it was SN since CM and he did not go get burgers with SB, PP and EA. He knew she was a "little" upset that night and could have been a nice manly shoulder to cry on about horrible friend.

 

[SteveS]

Are there statistics that can be quoted to support your statement? Not being snarky just wondering, because right off the bat I thought of OJ's trial. Now in Jodi Arias' trial clearly her lies did not sit well with the jury. I think a lot depends on the jury and of course a very good defense attorney or a "dream team."

I think the OJ trial was killed by incredibly awful prosecuting attorneys. Just awful. I watched most of that trial, understood the evidence, thought he was guilty, but didn't think he had any chance to be convicted when they got to deliberations, because those prosecutors were so inept. To me, it was like "The 3 Stooges Try a Murder Case." No way that was the best the state of California has to offer, I would hope.

 

[SteveS]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but doesn't he have to be indicted first? the hearing tomorrow is for a bond reduction. Then, he still needs to be indicted. Am I wrong about this?

You are generally correct. But considering the evidence they've shown, and assuming they have much more we haven't seen, it's ALMOST nothing but a simple formality to get him indicted, assuming that's the direction both sides want to take (and it most likely will be).

 

[SteveS]

Again, just because her cell phone pinged near his house doesn't mean CM was still with EA.

"CM phone ping near his house" was NOT something they said, was NOT why they believe she was in his trunk at that point, and in fact they didn't tell us why they believe that (because they had no need to).

...but the question asked was, "Is that what LE believes, that CM was in his trunk when he got home" and the answer is: "Yes, definitely, that's exactly what LE believes to be the case, based on what they know."

 

[SteveS]

I don't think the parents would help their son cover up a murder. In fact, he sat in jail for the stolen phone. Nobody bailed him out then. I can see the other people listed on the affidavit being people called for help - SN, PP, SB.... Just a theory.

No one here can say what his parents would do, if they knew he had kidnapped CM. The theft situation tells us nothing, because (at least from what I understand) his parents didn't even know he was in jail. So can't read anything into "didn't bail him out" if they didn't even know he needed it.

 

[Balor51]

Another interesting case can be found on Netflix or even YouTube from the series, Forensic Files. It's called Wheel of Fortune and offers very similar facts to the CM case. A young woman disappears after playing cards at a casino. Everyone including the parents are sure it's the live in boyfriend until the casino videotape shows the woman leaving the casino with an unknown male. He is eventually found guilty of murder even though he never confessed nor was her body ever found. The father of the girl, a retired policeman, says they would have continued to believe the boyfriend was guilty if DNA and phone records hadn't proved otherwise.

I believe I remember that one. Didn't they also find one of her finger nails in his car?

 

[windrower]

Again, just because her cell phone pinged near his house doesn't mean CM was still with EA. He simply could have still had her cell phone with him in the car. Just a theory...

I don't recall LE saying her cell phone pinged near his house. They may think he went home with her in his trunk based on when she ceased using her phone (when communications from CM stopped) and the time frame available to him after that.

If she left the garage with him as a passenger, even if her phone was about out of juice, she would have charged it in his car. If she didn't have her charger, he almost certainly had chargers given the number of electronic devices he was packing around in his car (and yes, I'm assuming the LE list was what was normal for him to have with him in his car).

But your point is well taken--a person and his/her cell phone can certainly be parted.

 

[Advocate1]

What does it mean when it says my post has to be approved before posted? Did I do or say something wrong?

 

[Advocate1]

You are generally correct. But considering the evidence they've shown, and assuming they have much more we haven't seen, it's ALMOST nothing but a simple formality to get him indicted, assuming that's the direction both sides want to take (and it most likely will be).

Do you mean indict him for her murder?
From what evidence we have you think there is enough to indict for murder?

 

[SteveS]

Do you mean indict him for her murder?
From what evidence we have you think there is enough to indict for murder?

Nope. For AK.

I think it's premature for a murder charge, lacking a body. Think we need more time to demonstrate she isn't coming back, ever. As I see it, each day that EA doesn't tell what he did with her when he removed her from his TRUNK (and she was IN HIS TRUNK, so he knows) is one more straw on the back of that old camel's back. If he won't tell for long enough, it'll happen, and I think he'll fry if he doesn't talk.

 

[Advocate1]

Nope. For AK.

I think it's premature for a murder charge, lacking a body. Think we need more time to demonstrate she isn't coming back, ever. As I see it, each day that EA doesn't tell what he did with her when he removed her from his TRUNK (and she was IN HIS TRUNK, so he knows) is one more straw on the back of that old camel's back. If he won't tell for long enough, it'll happen, and I think he'll fry if he doesn't talk.

Ok, I see. Yeah I hope he breaks.

 

[Advocate1]

Nope. For AK.

I think it's premature for a murder charge, lacking a body. Think we need more time to demonstrate she isn't coming back, ever. As I see it, each day that EA doesn't tell what he did with her when he removed her from his TRUNK (and she was IN HIS TRUNK, so he knows) is one more straw on the back of that old camel's back. If he won't tell for long enough, it'll happen, and I think he'll fry if he doesn't talk.

What if they can't find her or enough evidence to charge him with murder?
Will they proceed with just the AK charge and she will still be considered missing?

 

[suzyjackson]

I don't recall LE saying her cell phone pinged near his house. They may think he went home with her in his trunk based on when she ceased using her phone (when communications from CM stopped) and the time frame available to him after that.

If she left the garage with him as a passenger, even if her phone was about out of juice, she would have charged it in his car. If she didn't have her charger, he almost certainly had chargers given the number of electronic devices he was packing around in his car (and yes, I'm assuming the LE list was what was normal for him to have with him in his car).

But your point is well taken--a person and his/her cell phone can certainly be parted.

BBM = with respect, I think that's too much of an assumption IMO. If she had been able to charge her phone I would have expected her to have carried comminucating as she had done before.

 

[SaintGirl]

Another interesting case can be found on Netflix or even YouTube from the series, Forensic Files. It's called Wheel of Fortune and offers very similar facts to the CM case. A young woman disappears after playing cards at a casino. Everyone including the parents are sure it's the live in boyfriend until the casino videotape shows the woman leaving the casino with an unknown male. He is eventually found guilty of murder even though he never confessed nor was her body ever found. The father of the girl, a retired policeman, says they would have continued to believe the boyfriend was guilty if DNA and phone records hadn't proved otherwise.

I saw that and was floored how similar these two cases seem to be! Eerily similar, right up to how they never see her getting in his car, just walking into the parking lot with him. Cameras in the casino parking lot don't see where she went, only that her car doesn't leave. They do see him drive by the front of the casino towards the exit of the parking lot and it appears he is alone in his car. They come to believe through forensics that he knocked her out on his car door and threw her in the back seat in a matter of minutes.

 

[brado]

Again, just because her cell phone pinged near his house doesn't mean CM was still with EA. He simply could have still had her cell phone with him in the car. Just a theory...

"CM phone ping near his house" was NOT something they said, was NOT why they believe she was in his trunk at that point, and in fact they didn't tell us why they believe that (because they had no need to).

...but the question asked was, "Is that what LE believes, that CM was in his trunk when he got home" and the answer is: "Yes, definitely, that's exactly what LE believes to be the case, based on what they know."

I'm just asking because if that is what LE believes, then I would think they would take any subsequent cell phone pings after the one near his house and up to EA's stop at Kroger. They could then add to that any toll tag hits, TxDOT video, credit card receipts, business or residence video and come up with more precise areas to search for CM. Perhaps they have done this and that is what prompted the search LE did a month or so ago.

Just trying to think of what LE may be doing or could do to attempt to narrow the search area and find Christina.

 

[SaintGirl]

What does it mean when it says my post has to be approved before posted? Did I do or say something wrong?

Not you but probably the post you are commenting on is under review or has been flagged by someone. That's happened to me before, too.

 

[SaintGirl]

I'm just asking because if that is what LE believes, then I would think they would take any subsequent cell phone pings after the one near his house and up to EA's stop at Kroger. They could then add to that any toll tag hits, TxDOT video, credit card receipts, business or residence video and come up with more precise areas to search for CM. Perhaps they have done this and that is what prompted the search LE did a month or so ago.

Just trying to think of what LE may be doing or could do to attempt to narrow the search area and find Christina.

I think you nailed it :drumroll:

 

[Dion]

No one here can say what his parents would do, if they knew he had kidnapped CM. The theft situation tells us nothing, because (at least from what I understand) his parents didn't even know he was in jail. So can't read anything into "didn't bail him out" if they didn't even know he needed it.

I've seen this discussed, but really, how could they not know he was in jail? He lived with them. If he didn't show up for several days, but his car was still there, they would be really concerned that he might have either harmed himself or someone had harmed him. They knew he was being investigated in Christina's disappearance. They would most likely have contacted LE, to say he was missing, and be told that he was in jail.

But more than likely he contacted them from jail, and told them what the charge was (stolen phone, not connected with Christina) JMO.

Edited to add: At the time he was arrested for the phone, he had already been fired, so I would think LE would have gone to his home to arrest him.

 

[VTinTX]

BBM = with respect, I think that's too much of an assumption IMO. If she had been able to charge her phone I would have expected her to have carried comminucating as she had done before.

Also, she had an iPhone and he had an android (Samsung I believe), so two different chargers. We can't assume that he had an iPhone charger in his car. Plus, I doubt if he was planning to harm her that he would want her to be charging her phone battery. Wouldn't he rather her phone battery die? JMO.


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[VTinTX]

I saw that and was floored how similar these two cases seem to be! Eerily similar, right up to how they never see her getting in his car, just walking into the parking lot with him. Cameras in the casino parking lot don't see where she went, only that her car doesn't leave. They do see him drive by the front of the casino towards the exit of the parking lot and it appears he is alone in his car. They come to believe through forensics that he knocked her out on his car door and threw her in the back seat in a matter of minutes.

I've often wondered about the damage done to EA's car. He told LE that he "punched" it. An employee at Huffines (car dealership in Plano, TX) said that EA's explanation was inconsistent with the damage, but what else could possibly cause damage to his car that would look similar to someone punching it? What if CM's head hit the car with force? This could explain the bodily fluid (perhaps blood) found in EA's trunk if she did sustain an injury.

Of course, we have not seen the damage that was done to his car. Just trying to pick apart his false statements to see if there's any truth.


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