GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

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AG could’ve asked for it for all we know. I’m sure the Judge could hear her and Bo’s brother’s discussion at least to some extent. But who knows.

From the WFFF (?) video link, it definitely seems Amber told the judge she didn't have a Bible, or perhaps that she wanted to read the Bible but didn't own one.

The reporter said that brought the judge to tears. She then left to go to her chambers and returned with a Bible, telling Amber it was one of her own.
 
"I am saying that who gets harsh sentencing and who gets a break, with hugs & Bibles from judges & hair petted on by the police falls suspiciously down lines of race & privilege," Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King tweeted.

District Attorney John Creuzot called Brandt's embrace of Guyger "an amazing act of healing and forgiveness that is rare in today's society ... especially for many of our leaders."

If Jean's 18-year-old brother "can heal and express healing in that fashion, in his words and in his deeds, I would hope that the greater community, not just Dallas, but all of Texas and all of the United States, could gain a message from that," he said.

Mayor Eric Johnson issued a statement saying he would "never, ever forget the incredible examples of love, faith and strength personified by Botham, Brandt and the entire Jean family."
Ex-Dallas cop in deadly shooting gets hugs, forgiveness
 
Everyone was "stunned " for a reason ....my step dad was an attorney and Judge in his later years ...there is no way he would have touched either party ....you open your self up for all kinds of things and crazy lawsuits ! it's called remain neutral and professional!

True. But, when I taught school, there are some moments that do touch your heart. Same as when I worked at a hospital. I fully admit that I "hugged" a 90 year old veteran. Write me up. He was so happy to see me.

Some days, you just don't care. Put a letter in her file. She probably doesn't care. This was a very unusual situation. Humans can make decisions based on the circumstances.
 
A defiant leader of the Dallas Police Association says he isn’t going anywhere.
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“Let’s be real clear. The DA (prosecutor Jason) Hermus had every and opportunity to call me and put me on that stand if I did something unethical, if I did something illegal or if I did something immoral. Why didn’t you put me on the stand? Why didn’t you ask me those questions? I’m going to tell you why,” said Mata. “Because the DA knew good and well that was our process. We have been doing it that way for the seven years I’ve been investigating critical incidences.”

“I poked my head in and I asked ‘are you OK?’ She said ‘yes.’ I told her I will be right back. I went straight to the command staff that were at the scene and ask them is this an officer involved shooting, because I don’t ask officers what happened. That is not my job.”

He says the DA’s office has for years endorsed having companion officers look out for the immediate needs of an officer after a shooting.
Dallas Police Association President Mike Mata Defends Actions Involving Amber Guyger At Murder Scene

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Thanks for the link!
Why would they put him on the stand to question/prove his guilt in someone else’s criminal trial? I expect we will see him quite a bit at the civil trial. JMO.
 
“Black people, when they experience injustice, there’s almost an expectation that we will immediately forgive and therefore can sort of move on,” Jemar Tisby, an African American historian and writer, told The Washington Post. “So I think a lot of people are reacting — that we have a right to be angry, a right to grieve, and a right to want justice.”

It’s an attitude he sees in Fannie Lou Hamer, the black civil rights activist who once said, “Ain’t no such a thing as I can hate anybody and hope to see God’s face”

“There has been such a long history of injustice perpetrated against black people in the United States that if we didn’t forgive, we run the risk of being consumed by bitterness,” Tisby said.

“White people embrace narratives about forgiveness so they can pretend the world is a fairer place than it actually is, and that racism is merely a vestige of a painful past instead of this indelible part of our present,” she wrote.

“Did Crystal Mason get a hug when she was sent to jail for voting?” one critic asked on Twitter, referencing a black mother in the same state of Texas who was infamously sentenced to five years in prison for casting a ballot illegally.

“I think black people are legitimately upset when we extend grace in the face of clear and blatant injustices, but we’re never extended that same grace in the public mind,” Tisby said.

“...But this judge choosing to hug this woman is unacceptable,” tweeted Atlantic writer Jemele Hill, telling people to remember that “this convicted murderer is the same one who laughed about Martin Luther King Jr’s assassination.”

“She has indicated an affinity or sympathy for the defendant,” he said, suggesting the case might have to go to another judge.

Andra Gillespie saw grace in the Jean family’s response to 26-year-old Botham Jean’s killer: It was “their way of trying to fulfill their Christian obligation to forgive her in spite of everything that happened,”...“Why do people kill black people before they ask questions they might ask of other people?”

“My problem is when outsiders look at that situation and they get touched by the forgiveness and then they get lulled into thinking we don’t have to do anything else for that situation. … We don’t take the lessons from it that we should,” Gillespie said.
Amber Guyger Was Hugged by Botham’s Brother and a Judge Igniting a Debate About Forgiveness and Race
 
I don't think the poster means on here. There is a lot of abuse directed at him on social media. I've seen it, it's awful.
okay,,,,this is my only source of comments about this trial.
 
It was in a courtroom and not during the trial or the proceedings. I see nothing wrong with it. Trial was over and she was sentenced.
The trial judge, in robes and on the clock, chose to preach to a prisoner who had no choice but to listen. She couldn't walk away. It was a misuse of the power of the court.
 
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"You're having people of color that have the opportunity to make judges now," Watkins said. "Their life experience and their religious points of view are different than what we've seen in the past. That's just the evolution of our judicial system."
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NO. NO. NO. The legitimacy of our judicial system depends in no small part upon our belief that judges are neutral arbiters of the LAW.
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I hope this ok to post here. It is the story of Linda Biehl who not only forgave her daughters murderers but has built a close relationship with them, it is a powerful story.

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this does happen often as a result of religious views or often realizing that to hate will be more destructive for the victim's family and I get that...it makes sense. But a judge and their reactions are very different.
 
QUOTE="imstilla.grandma, post: 15461870, member: 226068"]


"You're having people of color that have the opportunity to make judges now," Watkins said. "Their life experience and their religious points of view are different than what we've seen in the past. That's just the evolution of our judicial system."
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NO. NO. NO. The legitimacy of our judicial system depends in no small part upon our belief that judges are neutral arbiters of the LAW.
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i have watched many trials with judges of color...some really great ones...they all have the ability to check their personal beliefs and lifestyles at the door...that is not the "evolution of our judicial system"...rubbish.
 
Do any of you who are so clinched over the judge hugging Amber aware that before that “gasp” act she hugged every one of BJ’s family. In the open....in the courtroom?? I’m amused at the pearl clutching going on.
His family weren't convicted murderers in state custody. Hugging the victim's family is in no way comparable to hugging a felon moments after she had been sentenced in her courtroom.
 
The Freedom From Religion Foundation sent the complaint letter Wednesday to the State Commission on Judicial Conduct.

“It’s very clear what happened and there’s no doubt that what the judge did crossed the line,” Seidel said. “This was always going to go to the commission.”

“It also indicates that if you come before this judge in the future, you can hammer home on her Christian beliefs,”” Seidel said. “This shows that the judge is not impartial and can be swayed by such an argument. She has shown that she is partial to notions of Christian reform and forgiveness.”

“It’s kind of bizarre,” Williams said. “I thought the judge had conducted the trial very well, so I was kind of surprised and taken aback by some of the things that happened.”

Touré, a former co-host of The Cycle of MSNBC, tweeted, “Amber Guyger is a racist convicted murderer. Why does she get a sweet, caring hug from the judge? Because she was a cop? Because she’s a white woman (which means she deserves sympathy)? Name the last Black man you saw hugged by the judge after a murder conviction.”

“We would be living in a very different world if many of the people who exult in black displays of forgiveness reciprocated that grace and mercy but that’s not reflected at all in our criminal justice policy, and it makes you question what they really find compelling about it,” his tweet said.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article235762502.html
 
this does happen often as a result of religious views or often realizing that to hate will be more destructive for the victim's family and I get that...it makes sense. But a judge and their reactions are very different.

It was in no way a comparison to what the judge did, I've not commented on that at all. It's just a really powerful story that I thought people might like to read.
 
Has anyone here seen a judge take a convicted and sentenced defendant into chambers after the sentencing and jury dismissal? Isn’t that more inappropriate? I’m not sure. Maybe it happens.

No, and it would be inappropriate, and I doubt her deputies would have allowed it.

What she could have done- and should have, imo, is waited to give that Bible and hugs to Amber until the deputies escorted Amber out of the courtroom. Walked out with them. Out of the public eye.

Whatever her reasons, I'm convinced the judge knowingly chose her actions to be made public.
 
this does happen often as a result of religious views or often realizing that to hate will be more destructive for the victim's family and I get that...it makes sense. But a judge and their reactions are very different.
Judges are human and the trial was over. She gave the prisoner a bible, so what. Do you think she should lose her livelihood because of it? I don’t.
 
I think that is what almost everyone would do.

I wouldn't, but I don't carry a gun either like Amber did.

I would be scared out of my mind coming home at 10pm and my door ajar. I'd call the cops and more than likely they wouldn't come with just one of them. I would also hope they would turn on the light after I tell them where the switch is on my interior, hopefully they would yell "police, hands up" and prevent things like what happened here.
 
i have watched many trials with judges of color...some really great ones...they all have the ability to check their personal beliefs and lifestyles at the door...that is not the "evolution of our judicial system"...rubbish.

If dragging religion into a court of law constitutes an "evolution" of our system of justice, then I'm all for reversing evolution and devolving back to our primitive system of justice in which intertwining religion and State is constitutionally impermissible.
 
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