GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[kim.kitchenstupman]

The trial judge, in robes and on the clock, chose to preach to a prisoner who had no choice but to listen. She couldn't walk away. It was a misuse of the power of the court.

Ok....let's say your right .. ( I am speaking hypothetically) ...it was well worth it anyway. Those actions has touched lives across this nation to see this this act of kindness, forgiveness and fellowship. So, either way...it was well worth it.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Slap in the face appealing 5 years for murder !

I hope that she has to serve the entire 10 years. I think that would be fair.

 

[turaj]

No, and it would be inappropriate, and I doubt her deputies would have allowed it.

What she could have done- and should have, imo, is waited to give that Bible and hugs to Amber until the deputies escorted Amber out of the courtroom. Walked out with them. Out of the public eye.

Whatever her reasons, I'm convinced the judge knowingly chose her actions to be made public.

i am not sure what happens when the judge leaves....if not in chambers....well come to think of it...the comments to the defendant are often made from the bench to the defendant before they leave. Some judges choose to say nothing but some have some words for the defendant...often they can be harsh but she could have said something along similar lines to use the time to turn her life around. Those comments should be be religious in tone either. I am not anti religion at all...far from it but it does not belong in the courtroom

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I don't think the poster means on here. There is a lot of abuse directed at him on social media. I've seen it, it's awful.

Wow. That's tragic that people have to abuse the brother for his act of Christian kindness.

 

[BeachSky]

I want to know why officer Martin Rivera is not having his feet held to the fire.
He knowingly destroyed evidence.
Where is that outrage ?

 

[Mickey Mouse]

At least you're honest about who you believe
is (and is not) worthy of a judge's forgiveness.

BBM. It's not the judge's place to forgive.

 

[turaj]

someone quoted media above and it was a good point...this was an extremely public display showing that this judge is very religious and reads the bible. Not something we really need to know about a judge.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Just out of curiosity, for those who think the judge's religious actions were ok... What if it were a Muslim who had been convicted of murder? And the judge that presided over his trial gave him a copy of the Quran, and had a whispered conversation with him, in court, about following the teachings of Muhammad?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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“I’m not really surprised because we know how we raised him… The Holy Spirit was working,” said Bertrum, referring to Brandt Jean’s courtroom hug.

Bertrum added, however: “I appreciate what Brandt did but there are consequences for actions.” Some sites have given the father’s name as Bertram Jean, but on Facebook, he goes by the spelling Bertrum Jean.
Botham Jean’s Father Wants to Befriend Amber Guyger: Report | Heavy.com

 

[kittythehare]

I want to know why officer Martin Rivera is not having his feet held to the fire.
He knowingly destroyed evidence.
Where is that outrage ?

That outrage was manifested in Allison Jean's post sentencing speech.
It was also manifested in Dallas PD Chief's statements.
That boy is going all the way to internal affairs.
His days as a policeman are numbered.
Hopefully ditto for Texas Ranger Mr 'reasonable' Marshall.
Plus whoever contributed to all the corruption that became evident.

This changes everything.
It has to.

(First post on this here, was following from beginning, never knew case was on WS!!)

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Very few communities in our nation have had to suffer as much as black people, who have also been robbed of the opportunity to emote from that experience,” said the Rev. Michael Waters, pastor of Joy Tabernacle African Methodist Episcopal Church in Dallas who has pushed for police reform in the city.

“It’s about removing from black people the agency of their anger, suggesting that we don’t have a right to righteous indignation, that it is somehow unacceptable for Christian black people to tap into their frustration at a death-dealing system that has caused them to bury generations of their sons and daughters,” he continued. “I think that’s sinful.”

“It always seems like black people are given that heavy task of being able to forgive,” Risher said. The tendency to forgive, she said, is “part of a generational, DNA strand we have as black people,” a legacy of slavery: “For us to be able to live some kind of a decent existence and not carry rage and anger, we get to that point of having to forgive.”

“I stated a long time ago that if you’re more concerned about potential unrest than you are about potential injustice, that’s problematic,” Waters said.

“I have a right to feel how I feel as a black person in this country, knowing that I could be the next hashtag that launches a protest,” she said.
Some see rush to forgive as rush to forget racial violence

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The First Liberty Institute issued the following statement in response to the Freedom From Religion Foundation's complaint.

“FFRF is protesting Judge Kemp rather than joining the rest of the nation celebrating the compassion and mercy Judge Kemp demonstrated. We should all be thankful the law allows Judge Kemp’s actions and we stand with her and will gladly lead the charge in defending her noble and legal actions.”
Complaint Filed Over Judge Kemp's Hug After Guyger Trial

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Was it right for the judge in the Amber Guyger case to talk religion and give her a Bible?

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I want to know why officer Martin Rivera is not having his feet held to the fire.
He knowingly destroyed evidence.
Where is that outrage ?

(Raises hand)

 

[MsFacetious]

Just out of curiosity, for those who think the judge's religious actions were ok... What if it were a Muslim who had been convicted of murder? And the judge that presided over his trial gave him a copy of the Quran, and had a whispered conversation with him, in court, about following the teachings of Muhammad?

If the defendant mentioned wanting one, then it’s no different than this. I don’t pick and choose, I respect all religions.

someone quoted media above and it was a good point...this was an extremely public display showing that this judge is very religious and reads the bible. Not something we really need to know about a judge.

This wasn’t a secret before. She has made no secret of it.

 

[Hope4More]

“Very few communities in our nation have had to suffer as much as black people, who have also been robbed of the opportunity to emote from that experience,” said the Rev. Michael Waters, pastor of Joy Tabernacle African Methodist Episcopal Church in Dallas who has pushed for police reform in the city.

“It’s about removing from black people the agency of their anger, suggesting that we don’t have a right to righteous indignation, that it is somehow unacceptable for Christian black people to tap into their frustration at a death-dealing system that has caused them to bury generations of their sons and daughters,” he continued. “I think that’s sinful.”

“It always seems like black people are given that heavy task of being able to forgive,” Risher said. The tendency to forgive, she said, is “part of a generational, DNA strand we have as black people,” a legacy of slavery: “For us to be able to live some kind of a decent existence and not carry rage and anger, we get to that point of having to forgive.”

“I stated a long time ago that if you’re more concerned about potential unrest than you are about potential injustice, that’s problematic,” Waters said.

“I have a right to feel how I feel as a black person in this country, knowing that I could be the next hashtag that launches a protest,” she said.
Some see rush to forgive as rush to forget racial violence

Amen, amen, amen. It's wrong and sad that even the voices of Botham's mother and father, speaking of necessary consequences and what is wrong with the criminal justice system in Texas, keep being drowned out by hallelujahs.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Brandt Jean, Amber Guyger, and forgiveness | Press Play

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[imstilla.grandma]

Was it right for the judge in the Amber Guyger case to talk religion and give her a Bible?

Jen Emily answers readers' questions about the Amber Guyger trial at 11 a.m. Friday. Ask yours now!

"What my son did is a true reflection of what we have practiced for all our lives," said Bertram Jean, Botham Jean's father.

"The last thing I thought he was going to do was forgive Amber," Attorney Toby Shook said.

"I could feel her shaking and sobbing when he was telling her that he loved her," Attorney Robert Rogers said.

"He needs to move on and I think that was the beginning of the cleansing for him," Allison Jean said.
Hug Between Brandt Jean, Amber Guyger Leaves Lasting Impact

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“It’s not unusual for the family of victims to express compassion regardless of color and religion. But white supremacy operates in our minds even when the victim is Black,” said the Rev. Mark Kelly Tyler, pastor of Mother Bethel AME Church. “There is this idea that somehow this white woman deserves forgiveness in the very moment that she has been convicted of doing something indescribably evil … It is a problem because it indicates the internalization of racism and self-hatred.”

“It’s bad because it sends a really bad message that white folks can kill us and it’s OK because Jesus will work it out.”

The Rev. Greg Holston, executive director of multi-faith activist organization POWER, said, "There should be no distinction between forgiving people and demanding justice.

“I just hope,” he added, “that the same forgiveness that [Guyger] received will one day be offered by the justice system to African-American boys who are never portrayed as innocent.”
Some see Christian compassion in 'the hug'; others not so much

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Absolutely nothing,” Mata said. “I did exactly the same thing that I had done for seven years as a critical response board member of this organization.”

“I don’t make that decision. That is not my decision,” he said. “When I got there, the first thing I did was poke my head through that window and ask her, ‘Are you okay?’ She said yes. I said, ‘I’ll be right back.’ I went straight to the command staff who were there. I asked them, ‘Is this an officer-involved shooting?’ They told me this was an officer-involved shooting. Being the command staff, I said, ‘So this is an officer-involved shooting. We are investigating like an officer-involved shooting?’ They said yes.”

“Absolutely, I did,” he said. “That’s normal protocol because she doesn’t have a choice of where she sits. She’s told to sit in a car. We cannot tape a conversation between an attorney and a client, even if it’s a normal day citizen.”

“What I told her then was stop talking to people,” he said.

In a statement, Dallas County Assistant DA Jason Hermus said: “I asked Mata what he did and said. I cannot coach a witness. He chose not to mention taking the defendant out and away from the squad car she was asked to be in. He also chose not to mention asking another sergeant to turn off the in-car recording system. I don’t know if this comports or violates DPD policy, and that was not my point.”

“Absolutely,” he said. “I want them to investigate because I want my name cleared.”

“The initial response on scene was that Officer Guyger was acting in the capacity of a courtesy officer at the apartment complex,” the department responded. “It was determined later that morning that she was not.
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