TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #32

[SuziQ]

Interesting: I just asked my 20 year old about the WRUD. She said "she doesn't use that, she talks like a human being while texting. A 12 year old would do that. The little kids even talk like that to each other when they are actually speaking and their fb."
My 20 year old didn't even know what WRUD was.

Lol, I text in acronyms alot and my 25 year old DD is always asking me what it means.

 

[918lurker]

keep in mind regarding the texts that the "y" key and "u" key are right next to each other on a qwerty keyboard. look at all the typo's on this thread alone. could have easily been a typo. you should read some of my 13 years olds texts even the slang is mispelled they text so fast.

 

[jessicat]

Ok here I go again...I had another thought (thats twice today by the way)...anyway this is what I would like to see happen (wishful thinking I think)

I wish BD would now just sit down with LE and say "Ok here goes, I'm going to tell you everything so the media will quit talking about and finding all of these 911 calls etc etc and we can find my daughter, because I have now realized by not being completely forthcoming I am hindering the investigation and maybe if I quit giving bits and pieces and just tell it all we will get the answers we need to find Hailey"

Secondly...I got to thinking back when I was working as an ER nurse in my hometown of about 15K...in the ER we had a scanner so we would know about wrecks or whatever that may be on their way into the ER. We also had what we referred to as the "bat phone" which was a phone line that was only used for LE and EMS to get ahold of us in the ER to give report on what we were going to be getting in by EMS etc. On those phone calls they would say " we have a 35 yr old male, yada, yada, yada" but if it was someone we were familiar with they would say "it's so and so again". I think that happens quite often in small areas where everyone knows everyone. So...with regard to those 911 calls and LE talking the way they did, I don't like it I think it is unprofessional but I know it happens. I think they are used to BD and SA calling the law. I think the law knows them quite well. I think that is why the reaction was the way it was.

I hope all of this made sense! I am a stay at home mom with a 4 yr old running around, I have to get myself together to post in adult speak

 

[SailorMoon]

I just noticed something in the timeline about DD texting MB to tell Hailey to come home and the text is not responded to but he calls and the phone is answered. :waitasec: Or did he have to look up the home phone number to call?

Is there an issue with MB's phone regarding texting? MB claims she had no contact with HD but yet LE has confirmed that at least one text was sent.

So confusing. :waitasec:

That may be - maybe MB's parents didn't have texting on her phone. That would explain the text and why it wasn't answered. I just can't figure out why there was no response. Unless they talked later. Heck who knows.

 

[GourmetSoy]

Soy,
the affidavit states a period of service interruption... which could mean he interrupted the service or he was in an area that his provider did not service

Thanks nurse! Either of those could be very possible but I would tend to lead then towards the provider did not service the area he was in. It seems he has no other interruptions in service that day and I honestly don't think he's smart enough to remember to take the battery out so it didn't ping.

Just an idea,
I wonder if BD can think of places he would normally go to hunt and if she could remember when he went. Possibly they could check his cell phone pings around those times and see if there is the same interruption in service? Might give them an idea of where he was from 6:56-9:38 that morning.

 

[SurfieTX]

I just noticed something in the timeline about DD texting MB to tell Hailey to come home and the text is not responded to but he calls and the phone is answered. :waitasec: Or did he have to look up the home phone number to call?

Is there an issue with MB's phone regarding texting? MB claims she had no contact with HD but yet LE has confirmed that at least one text was sent.

So confusing. :waitasec:

It could be a few things: MB was still sleeping and did not hear her text signal. Her mom answered the home phone? Or, mom doesn't allow MB to have the phone all night long (I've been known to take my kids' phones at night because they want to stay up all night texting).

 

[KR2tonenow]

I just spent 2 hours catching up and I have to say, my stomach is a mess.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=332976
Those 911 calls might not specifically locate Hailey, but they do serve a big purpose. They shed light on the whole situation. While I think some things are irrelevant (ie; What BD eats for breakfast, or what style jeans she's wearing or not wearing) ... the background to any case is important in establishing HISTORY, MOTIVES, and POSSIBLE LOCATIONS but MORE SO (to me) it's important to us that are advocates for children (outside of WS). Without history we aren't able to establish patterns and without patterns we cannot recognize things in order to prevent things from happening in the future.

The 911 calls are so "typical" IMO / IME of domestic violence situations. Pretty much fits the "pattern" to a tee. And that tells me that there is a history of domestic violence in this house - this wasn't the first time these two went rounds.

I put VERY LITTLE weight in what is said during those calls, sadly. The situations surrounding them are usually extremely heated (and we all know things are said / done in heated situations that aren't complete truth). I do not know how many times I've heard a person report a claim of a death threat or suicide threat when in reality what was really said was "different".

Ie; "You are p***sing me off so bad I just want to slam my head into the wall"
Can easily turn into "He threatened to slam my head into a wall !!!"

Or "I give up. I do NOT WANT to live like this anymore !"
Can easily turn into "That psycho is threatening to kill herself again."

It's not to say that this WAS the case with SA / BD but it easily could have been. Another reason I think LE is often frustrated with domestic violence cases... once all parties calm down it's often "Welllll ... she didn't REALLY say she was going to kill herself, but she implied it !!! "

Exactly, yesterday I read LE was looking for motive. Well NOW we have one! When this goes to trial, you better bet all this and more will come out.

 

[tehcloser]

Cryptogram stuff? OK teh, what have I missed? I've read almost every post on every thread...but did have to let a few pages go here and there....

They were mentioned in the affidavits. They were found with the printouts of the murder cases.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

What was Hailey's text? I can't find in the media links...

 

[nursebeeme]

Thanks nurse! Either of those could be very possible but I would tend to lead then towards the provider did not service the area he was in. It seems he has no other interruptions in service that day and I honestly don't think he's smart enough to remember to take the battery out so it didn't ping.

Just an idea,
I wonder if BD can think of places he would normally go to hunt and if she could remember when he went. Possibly they could check his cell phone pings around those times and see if there is the same interruption in service? Might give them an idea of where he was from 6:56-9:38 that morning.

bbm Soybean and ITA with you!!!!!

 

[Aya]

I am in Austin, TX

And here:

u = you
y = why

I have never seen y = you either...ever.

 

[KMouse]

Ok here I go again...I had another thought (thats twice today by the way)...anyway this is what I would like to see happen (wishful thinking I think)

I wish BD would now just sit down with LE and say "Ok here goes, I'm going to tell you everything so the media will quit talking about and finding all of these 911 calls etc etc and we can find my daughter, because I have now realized by not being completely forthcoming I am hindering the investigation and maybe if I quit giving bits and pieces and just tell it all we will get the answers we need to find Hailey"

Secondly...I got to thinking back when I was working as an ER nurse in my hometown of about 15K...in the ER we had a scanner so we would know about wrecks or whatever that may be on their way into the ER. We also had what we referred to as the "bat phone" which was a phone line that was only used for LE and EMS to get ahold of us in the ER to give report on what we were going to be getting in by EMS etc. On those phone calls they would say " we have a 35 yr old male, yada, yada, yada" but if it was someone we were familiar with they would say "it's so and so again". I think that happens quite often in small areas where everyone knows everyone. So...with regard to those 911 calls and LE talking the way they did, I don't like it I think it is unprofessional but I know it happens. I think they are used to BD and SA calling the law. I think the law knows them quite well. I think that is why the reaction was the way it was.

I hope all of this made sense! I am a stay at home mom with a 4 yr old running around, I have to get myself together to post in adult speak

I am going to assume here that LE knew about those 911 calls and any other LE involvement with any of the players from the beginning. Most police departments have a big computer database and calls get logged into it.

ETA: Why BD would not mention this to NG or be up front about it with the public is beyond me. In this day and age you would have to live under a rock to not know 911 calls are recorded.

 

[trigger]

Iirc, didn't CD and SA got into a scuffle around Christmas?

Yes, here's the article.

Clint did mention that on New Years he was still living across the way from Billie and that he did not see a party going on, he did see cars but not a party. Clint also told NewsWest 9, he did not get along very well with Shawn Adkins and he said that in one instance he and Shawn got in to a fight. Clint does not want to blame anyone or point any fingers, all he wants is for his daughter to come home.

http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=13834651

 

[KR2tonenow]

I also have to say that I think those of you who said LE were trying to "keep BD talking" were exactly right. I think at this point it's VERY obvious she knows more than she is saying / reporting. I'm with Teh on the fact that she is covering for herself at this point. IMO She knows A LOT more than she is saying.... IMO she's knee deep in the middle of it.

Also, I wonder if there is any substance to her claim that SA is "mentally retarded". Did she just throw that out there, or is there possibly an actual diagnosis that SA is mentally challenged. I wonder how that could play into this is he indeed... WAS handicapped in some way.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=332976
"If I had ever thought he was going to hurt my children or myself he would have been out of here and he wouldn't be back," she responded Tuesday night.

This tells me .... that either she wasn't afraid of him ... at all....
OR that when the situation was reported it was embellished for dramatic effect.
IMO it was BOTH.

Sorry, but a call to LE usually indicates that someone IS trying to hurt you and your children, Yikes!!

 

[BeanE]

I'm now maintaining Hailey's timeline here:

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hailey-dunn/hailey-dunn-timeline/


I'm still working on a few updates, so you may see it change before your very eyes.

 

[nursebeeme]

wonder how long it will take the media to FOIA all the other 911 calls that SA and BD made to other police agencies that day (dispatcher mentioned other calls that were made to other agencies)

 

[Kamille]

I've been doing some thinking about the timeline and SA's cell phone pings. I'm wondering if they really do have the pings/activity from 6:56-9:38 and aren't releasing that they have that info for good reason. Has it been confirmed by a reliable source that there are no pings or activity on SA's phone at that time?

timeline:
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329087

Personally, I think he turned off his phone. He had a Blackberry and all calls texts and emails alert on them. I would imagine he would have started to receive calls or texts around that time from his work about where the heck he was. I don't think he answered any of them but the Blackberry will also continue to alert on the texts and emails unless you read them.

The easy way to stop this distraction when you're busy and don't want to be bothered with it is to turn it off IMO.

Then when you have completed your task and you are safely at your mother's house, turn it back on and check your messages.

MOO

 

[curiousc]

Yes, here's the article.

Clint did mention that on New Years he was still living across the way from Billie and that he did not see a party going on, he did see cars but not a party. Clint also told NewsWest 9, he did not get along very well with Shawn Adkins and he said that in one instance he and Shawn got in to a fight. Clint does not want to blame anyone or point any fingers, all he wants is for his daughter to come home.

http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=13834651

CD is more worried about finding his daughter right now. I bet when all that is said and done, he will have a lot of things to say about SA. IMO

 

[gmt]

dont know if this has been posted but todays Dallas morning news said evidence has been found in the Abilene landfilled yesterday. Does anyone know what they found? The article said police would not say at this time.

 

[trigger]

I am going to assume here that LE knew about those 911 calls and any other LE involvement with any of the players from the beginning. Most police departments have a big computer database and calls get logged into it.

Yes, you can check the premise history. Well at least here in NY you can.