TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #37

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I have done this same type of thing MANY times. I live check to check, I'm usually pretty low on cash. I also rarely use my checkbook, so don't keep my account balances running in there. I generally have a good idea of what I have in my account, but I'm not always near a pc to check my statements online.

Oh, believe me I understand running low, lol..I mean single digit low...but you can check your balance first..The other reason is sounds odd to me is that there's a big difference between $60-$140...so most people would have a closer general idea than that. That's if for some reason they didn't want to take the 5 seconds to check a balance. Where they trying to get as much as possible? Why $60..then $80?

My guess...they had already planned what they were going to spend on drugs..but during/or immediately following withdrawing the first $ decided to up the anti...the amt of drugs they were going to purchase. Having been married to an addict for 2 decades...I have a pretty good idea how a drug user's mind thinks and that's exactly what it sounds like to me...Funny thing is,,,if that's the case and they had already admitted what they were buying...why lie about the reason for 2 transactions IF they did...

This case literally makes me dizzy, lol...
 
My bank's system allows me to use my debit card number. Not saying this is the case for everyone, though.



What doesn't make sense to me is not that she didn't know how much she had in her account. What doesn't make sense is that she went to two different ATMs to withdraw funds because she claimed not to know how much was in there, something she could have determined at the first ATM.


BBM

There wasn't 2 different ATM's the transactions were a minute apart.
 
With my bank, unless I go to their ATM, I'm generally charged a fee. Unless things have changed, I will admit I haven't checked in over a year because I'm used to the fees LOL!
It must be a state to state different thing. Here in illinois they don't charge a fee at an atm for checking your balance.
 
Well heck ! Just mail me some seeds !! LOL And the how to manual, and a list of where I can market it !!


In some parts of West Texas, the water is probably more valuable than the uh, cash crop. ;)
 
A question or two. Does anyone know if the 911 call where SA reported that BD had overdosed was for real. Did she really attempt suicide or tell SA that she had taken all of those pills?

If you (the collective you/ aka y'all) will recall, cztgz was on here trying to help (supposedly) BD get into her cell phone and access the messages but the phone had been locked by the time they had gotten into the pp cell phone acct. Now BD is still *****ing about the phone not being in her possession. I think last week she said something on NG about thinking that something was in the phone and she wanted to see the txt. supposedly sent around 2pm that Monday for her self. She is really focused on that phone for some reason. I would love verification of the "suicide attempt" and when it was. I will be afk for a while celebrating my birthday with my mom and dad. Mom is into this case a little so I'm sure this will pop up in our conversation...

Yes that was a shameless appeal for happy birthdays on my profile page. For those of you who don't know me I am primarily with the Gabriel Johnson case I used to be called Dane_Bramage...
 
There is no fee for checking your balance here and before they charge a fee it has to say it and you accept it during the transaction.

I believe you. I don't use a big chain bank, I belong to a small farm town credit union. Like I mentioned above, I haven't checked to see if there are still fees charged in a while, I never wanted to waste the money.

I'll be sure to check next time, would be cheaper than fees accrued with two withdrawals.
 
My bank's system allows me to use my debit card number. Not saying this is the case for everyone, though.



What doesn't make sense to me is not that she didn't know how much she had in her account. What doesn't make sense is that she went to two different ATMs to withdraw funds because she claimed not to know how much was in there, something she could have determined at the first ATM.

I believe it was the same ATM as the transactions were just one minute apart according to the affidavit. I tend to agree with Pondering - they just decided to "splurge" that night and buy more mind candy than usual.
 
There is no fee for checking your balance here and before they charge a fee it has to say it and you accept it during the transaction.
yep.

Here in mega-urbanville - its kinda like a crapshoot. My bank is just blocks from me - so for ATM's - I go there. In fact, DH cashes his paycheck on his way home and we deposit the case (bank will hold even his paycheck - go figger). There are no fees at the bank ATM.

At the casinos here - there is a fee even to just check your balance and you are prompted about it twice before having to confirm you accept the fee.

If I find I need cash and am going in the opposite direction of the bank - I'll just run into a grocery store and buy a candy bar, bottle of water, etc. - go through the self checkout and get money back there. - there is no fee for that.

In a techy world it takes a lot of trial and error and paying attention when it comes of banking and saving money.
 
I wasn't trying to make a "leap" anywhere. I was just offering up an opinion of why SOME people wouldn't want anyone on their land searching. That's it - that's all. There could be a whole lot of other reasons - maybe someone has a still (yes they still do that too). Maybe someone put in a trailer for family to live in and its not registered with the county - therefore owing back taxes. Who knows why someone would say no? It was just a thought and my opinion on why I thunk it.

Okay, but I'm just thinking about all the Mod warnings last night about casting doubt on people who aren't suspects and having nothing to do with this except that they apparently own land in the area where someone wants to search.

As someone else mentioned, the same thing happened with the Kyron Horman searches. People feel their privacy is being invaded sometimes, and I think we can all sympathize with that. JMO

Maybe they don't want anyone traipsing into a nest of rattlesnakes for all we know, but that doesn't automatically make me think they are drug dealers. Maybe they have too many dogs and don't want them to bite someone. Maybe they are just old and sick and don't want to talk to anyone. I don't know ~ I can think of lots of reasons besides drugs.
 
One for the car and one for the electronics?

And actually, it was three. Billies phone, Shawns phone, and the car. Interesting to me, they published a list of what was retrieved from the car, and it was included in an article stating that because the search was ordered by a warrant, they are REQUIRED to reveal what was found. So cough it up boys... what did you get from the phones?

Oh ok! I saw all those..but when I kept seeing 'original set' I thought omg, what did I miss now?! TY so much for letting me know that's what was meant because it would have driven me nuts trying to find a 2nd set of docs!
 
bbm... you are in the oil business sheik? Could you explain about the acid used in the oil business... how it is used/stored/etc... and also about what oil fields are like, etc? ((are they desolate, isolated... how is cell coverage in general...))

tia....

Acid can be used to clean up old wells in an attempt to increase production. The term “Acid Job” is common out in the field. Say a well’s production has declined over time; a service company would come in suggest a treatment plan that could increase the wells production. Acid is usually a key ingredient to the fluid that’s pumped into the hole. The total amount of treatment fluid pumped into the hole is calculated by the barrel. Once the fluid is pumped into the hole or also known as formation, they may allow it to sit there anywhere from one hour to several days. In order to bring the well back into production, it’s important that the fluid be flushed out of the hole. At this point they begin swabbing the hole in an attempt to bring as much of the treatment fluid back to service as possible. They drop a plunger with a line to the bottom of the hole and come up out of the hole, repeating the process until the well kicks off (starts blowing) or they can no longer recover any additional treatment fluid. The recovered treatment fluid is usually directed to a hole that has been dug into the ground with the ground eventually absorbing it. While you wouldn’t want to stick a bare hand in the fluid that’s been recovered, it’s not nearly as potent as it was in its original state. I doubt that the recovery fluid would be potent enough to cause serious damage to flesh and bone.

Acid is also used to perforate casing. Casing is the outer pipe that goes into the hole. Figure that once all the casing is in the hole, in order to bring oil or gas to surface, that casing must have some holes in it that correlate with the production formation. This is when they place a “gun” down the hole that shoots off the mixture that will open holes in the casing at the production intervals.

These chemicals are usually under lock and key at the service company’s yard and also monitored. Its doubtful SA had access to these chemicals unless he had the assistance of someone, which I also feel is doubtful. One never knows though. I am sure LE has asked for inventory and accountability of the chemicals at the place SA worked. Not to say he couldn’t have acquired them elsewhere though.

There is a lot of oil and gas production in the area that composes of several counties. There are a lot of county roads, back roads, etc. as well. Working in the business going from well to well, one can learn those roads, shortcuts, etc. very quickly. Many wells are off the grid and one must know where to go in order to get to them. Many well locations may contain open holes that haven’t been covered up. While most land owners make sure that’s not the case, it still does occur. Many locations have old abandoned tanks. These tanks can be anywhere from 15 feet high and up. While a person could not enter the tank from the top, there is a space on the bottom of the tank towards the back that is secured by several bolts and screws. This door is opened up when the tank is empty so people can crawl inside to clean, maintain, etc.

Cell phone coverage varies and is sparse in many places. I carry a satellite phone at all times because of this.

I am hopeful LE has/is conducting the following:

1. Asking Weaver Services (and other service company’s) for an account of their fluid inventory and who has access to it.
2. Obtaining a log from SA’s employers for the past couple years or so detailing each and every well site he worked on and that they (LE) are actively searching each and every one of those well sites along with the roads leading to those sites. Traveling those roads one will see old abandoned buildings, stock tanks, caliche pits, old style outhouses, drain pipes, etc.

All these and more should be searched. Over time by traveling these roads, SA could have discovered what he felt was the ideal hiding place.
 
A question or two. Does anyone know if the 911 call where SA reported that BD had overdosed was for real. Did she really attempt suicide or tell SA that she had taken all of those pills?

If you (the collective you/ aka y'all) will recall, cztgz was on here trying to help (supposedly) BD get into her cell phone and access the messages but the phone had been locked by the time they had gotten into the pp cell phone acct. Now BD is still *****ing about the phone not being in her possession. I think last week she said something on NG about thinking that something was in the phone and she wanted to see the txt. supposedly sent around 2pm that Monday for her self. She is really focused on that phone for some reason. I would love verification of the "suicide attempt" and when it was. I will be afk for a while celebrating my birthday with my mom and dad. Mom is into this case a little so I'm sure this will pop up in our conversation...

Yes that was a shameless appeal for happy birthdays on my profile page. For those of you who don't know me I am primarily with the Gabriel Johnson case I used to be called Dane_Bramage...

Happy Birthday!
 
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I wasn't trying to make a "leap" anywhere. I was just offering up an opinion of why SOME people wouldn't want anyone on their land searching. That's it - that's all. There could be a whole lot of other reasons - maybe someone has a still (yes they still do that too). Maybe someone put in a trailer for family to live in and its not registered with the county - therefore owing back taxes. Who knows why someone would say no? It was just a thought and my opinion on why I thunk it.
So now these landowners are, Pot growers, bootleggers, and tax evaders? I think that is profiling IMO !! Still cracks me up !
 
What if her bank ATM wasn't in that town? My credit union is 25 minutes away in the next town........I'm not going to drive all that way unless I have to. I'm also not going to risk even more extra fees just to check my balance when I can make a withdraw and see it on there too. Why ring up all those extra fees.......ESPECIALLY when you are low on cash?? Sometimes that extra fee will make it so you are unable to withdraw an extra $10.
I stand corrected. There might be a fee at your bank that the ATM does not tell you about for checking your balance.

Balance Inquiries Your bank or credit union might charge you a fee for checking your balance at an unaffiliated ATM. Even if you do not withdraw money, information is exchanged between your financial institution and the ATM, and this exchange costs your financial institutions money. Unfortunately, that cost of this exchange may be passed on to you. If you use ATMs to check your balance, you should ask whether your new bank or credit union charges you a fee for balance inquiries.

http://www.findabetterbank.com/atm_fees_and_rebates.html
 
It's not the job of the police to go and lock people's doors. If you want your doors locked then you lock them yourself or ask you neighbor or family member to do it. If it was that important to BD then she should have locked them herself.
She called the police because SA wanted a t-shirt back. A t-shirt. It is not the job of the police to get into property disputes between couples unless it escalates to violence. Police can only go to a home to keep the peace between parties while the one moving out gets their stuff. Police cannot determine who owns what and make the decision on who should get what. That is a civil matter. Not a criminal matter.
The police cannot sit outside her home that she isn't even in and wait for SA to show up to get his t-shirt.
At no time during that initial call did BD say anything about fear, violence, threats, etc. She simply wanted the police to get involved in a civil matter because she was afraid SA may or may not go there and then take electronics in the home.

With the second call of threats....the police officer responded to the call. He did his job.

Keep in mind that BD was "going all day" with the calls and we only know about the two calls she made and the one that SA made. It also sounded like SA was calling other police departments about the situation.

I can't get the question out of my mind why someone would call 911 for that. 911 is for emergencies. It was just weird to me because I keep thinking I would have just called the non emergency for something like that. If she would have mentioned her concern for DD first, yes 911, but it's like he was an after thought.
 
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