TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #48

[carmenU]

BBM. Lanie, I don't recall hearing anything about this tormenting BD and DD. Do you have a link? TIA.

I was thrilled to hear her really talking about Hailey in yesterday's interview. Hearing that Hailey didn't like cheerleading as much as she liked other sports, that she was interested in martial arts and that she seems to have had a good relationship with her brother. I got a really warm feeling about Hailey after hearing Billie talk about her in a relaxed way.

And I don't really care if she "got the idea" to do this from WS. I know that her media comments do seem to coincide with our focus here, and I have no problem with that at all. I wanted to hear about Hailey, and she told me. :twocents:

I agree.

 

[tezi]

And just to clarify on the press conference - Billie is not going to reveal any details of LE's investigation. She was just going to let everyone know what happened on those three days, and talk about Hailey, and thank everyone for all that they are doing.

LE already knows what she will be saying because she has told them over and over. The main purpose is to try to get more media coverage for Hailey, and then to go over what happened in those three days. And sitting down, writing out, and saying everything again can't hurt. It might even help. Maybe somebody's memory will be jogged. Who knows.

BBM: I would certainly hope not, however, if (and I'm saying if) LE asked her not to say anything about the other threat (and since she did), how do you know for certain she won't reveal other details about their investigation that they may have asked her to keep quiet?

Personally, I think BD screwed the pooch on media coverage herself. If I were part of the media, I'd really want nothing to do with her. I would try to do stories about Hailey without BD's involvement.

BTW, I totally understand why BD is taking Ativan. And I don't hold that against her. When my first BIL died under suspicious circumstances five and half years ago, my husband, his brother, his SIL, and I were all on Xanax just to be able to function those first few weeks. It helped us deal with the aftermath and helped us get some much needed rest. So, I totally get why she is taking the Ativan.

And her comment about going after people is offensive. Exactly who is she going to go after? LE? Nancy Grace? Lowly internet posters on forums and bloggers? :banghead::banghead: C'mon give me a break. If she had a consistent story and wasn't so worried about her reputation and protecting SA, she'd probably find people a lot more sympathetic to her situation. I know I would be a lot more understanding if she wasn't trying to deflect everything away from SA.

CD, OTOH, seems to be doing all the right things. He's not getting distracted by the media attention and he's trying to do the best that he can, given the situation. And yes, I know he was arrested for possession of Mary Jane. However, I can give him a pass, because LE doesn't seem too interested in him. Just the fact that he hasn't been asked to take a polygraph tells me all I need to know. I think that BD could take a few lessons from him on how to act in this situation.

I know I sound cold and heartless. I'm really not. I want to see Hailey come home safely. I really do. And I hope that BD finds some peace in this situation.

Your community seems like a very nice place to live. It seems that people really care what happens to others there. I just hope they feel the same whenever the truth is finally revealed. Whatever that truth may be.:truce:

One final thought, we would not have known about the polygraph results if BD would NOT have said anything. LE stayed mum. LE says they didn't tell anyone whether they passed or failed. I think BD could have handled that situation better by saying that LE didn't release the results. Personally, I think she knew she wasn't 100% truthful on certain questions and that's why they questioned her more after her polygraph. When NG asked the polygraph question, another response could have been for BD to say she has no reason to think that she did anything but passed the test, because she told the truth. If I have to pick whom to believe about the polygraph, I'm going with LE, just because they have no reason to lie and have said they did NOT tell anyone whether they passed or failed.

JMO, MOO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.

 

[LisaB]

QUOTE:

"Investigators know about it but haven't questioned him. They can't find him. He did threaten to hurt me and Hailey and he hasn't been talked to and he hasn't been found," said Dunn.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336276


IDK what to make of this. If you watch the video at the link and actually see BD say these words - when this first comes up in the conversation, BD makes a "face". I read it as "I shouldn't be saying this, but............." type face.

I think this bears repeating for those who may have missed it the first time. Thank you SO much WOO, you are very right! The first time I saw the video I was listening more closely than I was watching.

 

[Lanie]

BBM. Lanie, I don't recall hearing anything about this tormenting BD and DD. Do you have a link? TIA.

This was mentioned in posts on an earlier thread, IIRC, by CZ and perhaps another local, of a teacher saying what IMO was some pretty inappropriate stuff in class. IIRC, CZ stated she would be filing a complaint with the school on Monday (last), as it was too late on Friday when she received this information. IMO, that would put this 'conversation' as taking place somewhere around thread #40. That is the best I can do for a link, and I used the word 'allegedly' in referring to this, as it did not come from an MSM source.

 

[LisaB]

Yep...and oh yeah, she's talking to him...


http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23579

I know you might rather she not talk to him, but since she is, let's give her a little credit for owning up to it.

 

[LisaB]

I was out all evening and am trying to catch up. So far I've gathered that about a year ago, someone threatened to do harm to BD and HD. Someone else heard the threat, took it seriously, and reported it to LE. No one informed BD. A year later, HD disappears. Nothing is said until two weeks ago when LE decides to tell BD. LE has looked for this someone but is unable to locate "him". BD has now taken it upon herself to reveal the the alleged threat to the public via MSM without revealing "someone's" identity or the nature of the threat.

I'm left with a stupid question. If LE didn't think the threat was serious enough to follow up on, and didn't bother telling BD even after she reported another threat last February, when the first threat would've been fresh, how did LE even recall it now? Did someone in the county sheriff's office or the local police department suddenly say, "Hey, didn't we get a report that someone threatened Billy Dunn and her daughter last year?"

Or did someone else call LE after HD went missing and remind them? I don't know. Feels like I'm missing a dot here.

BTW, do we know which LE agency received the report of the threat last year?

IMHOO

If I had been the one who reported it a year ago, I certainly would have called the tipline after Hailey was missing and said "I called about this guy threatening the Dunn girls last year, and I am sure you checked it out then, but I wonder if it has any bearing on Hailey's disappearance..."

 

[carmenU]

In nursing, we use the Kubler-Ross 5 stages of grieving to assis families through the grieving process. Anytime, anyone has a 'Loss" they will grieve in this pattern. They may go back and forth through the stages. Perhaps, people will not be so critical and cruel when it comes to BD, if they understand she has to go through the process. Everyone goes through the process differently but they will go through all five stages in order to heal. Every scenario of loss is different, loss of spouse, divorce , loss of child,etc. Here are the stages and examples.
The five stages of grief are:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me", looking for the former spouse in familiar places, or if it is death, setting the table for the person or acting as if they are still in living there. No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the loss.


2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even with spouse of divorce, for death, anger at the deceased, blaming them for leaving.


3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals with the spouse who is leaving, or attempting to make deals with God to stop or change the loss. Begging, wishing, praying for them to come back.


4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of person as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb. Perhaps feeling suicidal.


5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss, not just try to bear it quietly. Realization that it takes two to make or break a marriage. Realization that the person is gone (in death) that it is not their fault, they didn't leave you on purpose. (even in cases of suicide, often the deceased person, was not in their right frame of mind) Finding the good that can come out of the pain of loss, finding comfort and healing. Our goals turn toward personal growth. Stay with fond memories of person.

As I watch BD, she has gone through stage 1 and is in stage 2.

 

[For The Kids]

And her comment about going after people is offensive. Exactly who is she going to go after? LE? Nancy Grace? Lowly internet posters on forums and bloggers? :banghead::banghead: C'mon give me a break. If she had a consistent story and wasn't so worried about her reputation and protecting SA, she'd probably find people a lot more sympathetic to her situation. I know I would be a lot more understanding if she wasn't trying to deflect everything away from SA.

CD, OTOH, seems to be doing all the right things. He's not getting distracted by the media attention and he's trying to do the best that he can, given the situation. And yes, I know he was arrested for possession of Mary Jane. However, I can give him a pass, because LE doesn't seem too interested in him. Just the fact that he hasn't been asked to take a polygraph tells me all I need to know. I think that BD could take a few lessons from him on how to act in this situation.

.

These two parts of your post...are simply AWESOME and so true

 

[carmenU]

IMHOO

If I had been the one who reported it a year ago, I certainly would have called the tipline after Hailey was missing and said "I called about this guy threatening the Dunn girls last year, and I am sure you checked it out then, but I wonder if it has any bearing on Hailey's disappearance..."

People often dismiss the value of the information the know and fail to report because they don't think it is useful and think they are going to be seen as silly. You never know the info you think is unimportant may break the whole case.

 

[For The Kids]

I know you might rather she not talk to him, but since she is, let's give her a little credit for owning up to it.

The problem is she had said previously ( and so had cz for that matter that his family wasnt allowing her to speak to him. She is contradicting herself so m uch and then people wonder why she isnt believable.

We know from her that she doesnt ask him about what happened that day so what do they talk about? there love for each other? horror movies or his latest mask hes bought? :banghead:

 

[carmenU]

I know you might rather she not talk to him, but since she is, let's give her a little credit for owning up to it.

Why should she not talk to him? LE has not arrested him. She needs to keep in contact. She may find out info, if any. I agree,his interests are concerning but it does not make him a murderer. I don't see his interest any different than people who play Halo and Black OPs all day. It is just a different medium. There are alot of people who are fascinated with death and crime. People may think it is questionable that I sleuth and watch NG everyday.

 

[LisaB]

Yes it does. And with stranger abductions - they snatch and grab, do what they do, and dispose - usually within the first 3 hours. The disposal is usually a quick dump - side of the road, out in a field, under a bush. The perp moves on and doesn't really give a flip about anyone including LE finding the body.

Hailey is well hidden. Very very well hidden. Why? Possibly because the perp is closely connected and can't just move on - therefore making the need to carefully hide her even more.

I just strongly feel that if this was a stranger abduction - they would have found her by now.

More and more old crimes are being solved now via trace evidence and DNA due to advances in technology. If this had been foreseen, perhaps those killers too would have taken more effort to conceal the bodies, at least long enough for DNA to degrade, and scavengers to distribute the remains over a wider area.

 

[tehcloser]

So now we have a "mystery guy" who needs to be looked at? Oh Brudder.

 

[RiverRat]

To be honest I don't give a wang chung about any drugs unless it's crack/meth and /or psycodelics: LSD, shrooms, etc. Persons maintain every day on these (real people). I just don't see why all the speculation. If on a meth/shroom high, then I'll understand. But simple anxiety, or unless huge multiples of pain pills come into play..think this is going way off plane.

NO players in this are without fault. Let's get back to the real deal, and the facts.

Many other cases have been discussed to compare the Mystery regarding Hailey's disapearance, but the only one that jumps to the front of my mind is the treatment initially given to Danielle Van Dam's Family...the key focus should be finding Hailey! Then there will be all of in the time in the world to discuss these side issues if they do have any connection to this case. :twocents:

CZ - Any chance of holding CandleLight Vigils in addition to the Press Conference? Thank You for Helping~

RR

 

[carmenU]

Many other cases have been discussed to compare the Mystery regarding Hailey's disapearance, but the only one that jumps to the front of my mind is the treatment initially given to Danielle Van Dam's Family...the key focus should be finding Hailey! Then there will be all of in the time in the world to discuss these side issues if they do have any connection to this case. :twocents:

CZ - Any chance of holding CandleLight Vigils in addition to the Press Conference? Thank You for Helping~

RR

Great post!

 

[LisaB]

RBBM: The media became disinterested when BD made her comment about the Nancy Grace ratings. Personally, I feel that was uncalled for and way out of line. I am sure BD felt that way, but she should have voiced it privately, not to a reporter. NG was her best hope for keeping Hailey's disappearance in the forefront. NG is most definitely not my favorite person, but she did keep Hailey's name in the news. Most parents who have a missing child would LOVE to have that kind of exposure for their missing child. IOW, they would have put their personal feelings about the questions that NG was asking aside, and just said no comment, or I prefer not to answer that question. All the while reminding viewers that Hailey is still missing, please keep looking for her.

There are things that the "public" doesn't need to know, especially if it will compromise the case that LE is building. She should take LE's wishes into consideration before doing this, because she may accidentally reveal something that LE doesn't want to be revealed. Personally, I would feel more comfortable if BD would NOT give a press conference. I feel like a press conference would be more about deflecting accusations away from SA and herself than it would be about Hailey. However, if she decides a press conference is the way to go, she should just talk about Hailey, not about the "suspect," Nancy Grace, or bash LE.

JMO, MOO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.

I feel that a statement to clear thing sup is likely to be edited before it is aired, which is a problem. IF she does something like this, she should work closely with LE in preparing her statement, and should not take questions unless they are provided in advance. Think "Kaine Horman".

IMO, if Billie had answered "I'd prefer not to answer that Nancy, can we move on?" more than once or twice, she'd have been deemed uncooperative, and would not have been asked to appear again.

 

[carmenU]

I feel that a statement to clear thing sup is likely to be edited before it is aired, which is a problem. IF she does something like this, she should work closely with LE in preparing her statement, and should not take questions unless they are provided in advance. Think "Kaine Horman".

IMO, if Billie had answered "I'd prefer not to answer that Nancy, can we move on?" more than once or twice, she'd have been deemed uncooperative, and would not have been asked to appear again.

I fear whatever she said or did would be dissected and criticized, The longer the conversation and focus is on BD, the minutes are wasted on what could be discussed and sleuthed on HD.

 

[yllek]

Here is something I am wondering about. LE says that Hailey is on tape in a store Sunday. I wonder if, before releasing that footage, everyone who says they saw Hailey on Monday described her as wearing something different than what she has on in the video Sunday. That is of course if those people could remember the what she had on and at least two of them matched. Would that make LE give those sightings more credibility?

No. We don't know if Hailey often wears the same thing a few days in a row when off from school.

We know that LE investigated the alleged witnesses and do not find the sightings credible. If anyone wanted a credible witness for last place/time alive, it's LE.

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

I know you might rather she not talk to him, but since she is, let's give her a little credit for owning up to it.

Give her credit? Nah, I'll reserve that for someone who stops telling half-truths and makes excuse after excuse for the only named suspect in this case. MOO.

 

[LisaB]

Those birds work quick, real quick.

And those danged feral pigs. After the Silence of the Lambs movies and being acquainted with someone who keeps pigs (the barnyard kind, not the cute little potbellied housepets) I believe they would ... well, you know. They'll eat anything, and won't stop until they are full. It's kind of gross. I've seen pigs eat bacon (I know, probably not a big deal, but seems like cannibalism somehow). I've seen pigs eat "mash" (mushy alcoholic corn byproduct from making moonshine) until they pass out, and as soon as they regain consciousness, stagger back over to the bucket for more.