TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #6

[Seattle1]

MOO. I mean this respectfully.

The part withheld has to be mental health related. If he’s a happy, adjusting new college kid who smokes that doesn’t necessarily raise any red flags. But if he’s depressed, not adjusting well, possibly struggling with the onset of mental illness (he’s about the right age and drug use can exacerbate it), then it changes how that night looks after the accident. I feel like the investigators tried to walk up to that line as much (spiritual journey, enlightenment) as they could without saying so. If the friend in Missouri City on FaceTime was really a long-time friend, I could Jason spilling his guts to him about how he was feeling. It just feels weird that we have so much recorded evidence from what Jason did that night prior to leaving. I don’t normally record FaceTime chats with friends, but would do so if I felt they were in crisis. And it seems like he talked to multiple people that night who recorded him? I think whatever those conversations are about hold the key to all this.

The friend recording Jason was said to have been his long-term buddy from Missouri City that started recording because he was sure Jason wouldn't remember any of this (i.e., the intent was to later share video with Jason).

We also learned from KL much later that he did not realize how much Jason had been indulging in weed during the isolation of covid, no interaction sans live classroom, and also being a new student on campus.

One more thing confirmed during the video was the police dispatcher indicating reports of a previous welfare check made for Jason's apartment address but I don't recall the date. This had been speculated before but no MSM until now.

 

[Seattle1]

Just a reminder about Texas law that may also have contributed to the attitude some heard expressed by LE in the videos:

OK, what is legal right now?

It is still illegal to use or possess marijuana under Texas law — and has been since 1931. What changed last year is that hemp is considered different from marijuana.

CBD, hemp, medical marijuana? Here's what you need to know about Texas' changing pot laws.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Does it make sense to anyone else here for Captain Ferry to victim shame, release first phone calls to the parents, identifying information of the friend Jason was video chatting with IF he believes Jason has simply not been found? In what world is this ok? Why is this ok here? Does anyone equate this to victim shaming and understand that if this happens in this instance it is likely to happen in many more within this department? Can this department not handle the pressure and questions that they feel the need to release this? It makes no sense to me. Honestly I have never seen this. I find it reprehensible and without purpose. Is anything shown on those videos going to help find Jason in those fields Ferry thinks he’s in?

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Link for reference <modsnip>

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

MOO

 

[Friday Fan]

The friend recording Jason was said to have been his long-term buddy from Missouri City that started recording because he was sure Jason wouldn't remember any of this (i.e., the intent was to later share video with Jason).

We also learned from KL much later that he did not realize how much Jason had been indulging in weed during the isolation of covid, no interaction sans live classroom, and also being a new student on campus.

One more thing confirmed during the video was the police dispatcher indicating reports of a previous welfare check made for Jason's apartment address but I don't recall the date. This had been speculated before but no MSM until now.

There was a welfare check to Jason's apartment complex that was made several days after he went missing. Also he lived in a fairly decent sized apartment complex. It may have been someone looking to see if Jason was there, or it could have been something or someone unrelated.

 

[Friday Fan]

Does it make sense to anyone else here for Captain Ferry to victim shame, release first phone calls to the parents, identifying information of the friend Jason was video chatting with IF he believes Jason has simply not been found? In what world is this ok? Why is this ok here? Does anyone equate this to victim shaming and understand that if this happens in this instance it is likely to happen in many more within this department? Can this department not handle the pressure and questions that they feel the need to release this? It makes no sense to me. Honestly I have never seen this. I find it reprehensible and without purpose. Is anything shown on those videos going to help find Jason in those fields Ferry thinks he’s in?

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Link for reference <modsnip>

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

MOO

I agree. Ferry often sounds like he came straight out of the 1960's.
They need a more tempered spokesperson.

It must be infuriating to his parents, "He was going to Houston to be near drugs"....
What on earth? Do they have proof? You know there are drugs in San Marcos. I'm sure there are even drugs in Luling...

About 6 months ago, CCSO said there were psychedelics. Then, 6 months later, they find that the marijuana was clean. They make it sound like there's going to be this huge revelation....and we see Justin rolling weed and sweating...

And this spiritual enlightenment BS...Really..sorry, I do not find oil wells to be a source a spiritual enlightenment.

 

[Friday Fan]

Just a reminder about Texas law that may also have contributed to the attitude some heard expressed by LE in the videos:

OK, what is legal right now?

It is still illegal to use or possess marijuana under Texas law — and has been since 1931. What changed last year is that hemp is considered different from marijuana.

CBD, hemp, medical marijuana? Here's what you need to know about Texas' changing pot laws.

Yes, but not all cops in Texas sound like they are from the 1960s. Currently in Texas, possession of up to 2 ounces of marijuana is a Class B misdemeanor.
Most cops are pretty chill because they know it isn't worth all the effort. Most often they will charge if other stuff is going on like DUI etc.

People were smoking pot at a Rolling Stones concert I was at in November. I certainly didn't see cops with billy clubs patrolling for pot..LOL

Heaven forbid, Ferry would have been in that 20,000 plus crowd! He would have had the vapors! The concert was held only 20 miles from Caldwell County.

 

[I wonder]

According to the investigator regarding the just released video:

‘He’s talking about psychedelics and how they impacted his life and his perception of spiritual awakeness.’

This suggests he’s taken psychedelic drugs before. These aren’t things that you take, experience it’s effects and then that’s it. They can mess with your head long term.

He does look agitated in the video and he is sweating heavily.He looks very animated and I suspect he didn’t stop talking. I think his friend recorded it because it was funny and would have shown it to Jason and they’d have laughed about it.

I don’t know what information the police have, but as far as I recall, only marijuana was found in the rolled joints. Marijuana doesn’t usually cause such a lively response, so I have a few ideas as to what caused his euphoria:

The early stages of smoking cannabis, when everything is ‘amazing’ and funny.

Another illegal drug such as ecstasy.

Alcohol.

A prescription drug, possibly taken recreationally, (not necessarily his own) such as Modafinil, which keeps people awake, or Tramadol which elevates moods.

A mental health episode, mania in this case.

One question I do have is why the car was so quiet. I’d be amazed if he wasn’t listening and probably singing along to loud music, which may have in fact distracted him and caused him to go the wrong way. He couldn’t have both the apps he was using and use his phone for music too, could he? But I can’t imagine him not listening to music whilst he drove.

I’m not au fait with how young people listen to music when driving, but if it was the car stereo, I wouldn’t think there’s enough damage to knock that out. Would he have turned off the music source? I doubt it. That doesn’t reflect the state of mind he seems to be have been in.

 

[Simone44]

rsbm & bbm
I'm not sure if I can tell Snapchat from Facetime videos. But the khou videos all look like they were from before Jason left his apartment in San Marcos. I can't find anywhere within this new
trove of evidence that suggests that LE know who the last Snapchat from Luling was with. Maybe that's part of what was withheld, or maybe they still don't know. As it was the last time anyone communicated with Jason that we know of, it seems kind of important.

In one of the newspaper reports in recent months there was a mention of the last Snapchat message being a photo sent by Jason’s ex-girlfriend from his previous university of the two of them together (they had apparently remained friends).

 

[Gemmie]

At this point I think he was very confused healthwise perhaps in shock. He didn't intend to go on SFR. For all we know is when he realized he made a mistake travelling he may have tried to swerve around but was caught up in the crash, he may have even tried to find his phone just befor the crash.

Yeah, I don't know. He was ~5 miles down a gravel road and it was pitch black out there. According to the time distance calculator I posted below it would take 10 minutes at 30 MPH. You can play with other speeds that you feel the car was traveling.

To me, 10 minutes on a gravel road, when the city has obviously been left behind, as it's pitch black, and barely any houses... that 10 minutes would feel much longer than 10 minutes. I think if it was a mistake he'd have realized it as soon as his tires rolled over gravel. Sure, drive a little further but ~5 miles? Something is off to me for him to be that far down a gravel road in the middle of the night AND missing for over a year.

How Long Does it Take to Drive 5 at 30 MPH?

 

[wary]

Yeah, I don't know. He was ~5 miles down a gravel road and it was pitch black out there. According to the time distance calculator I posted below it would take 10 minutes at 30 MPH. You can play with other speeds that you feel the car was traveling.

To me, 10 minutes on a gravel road, when the city has obviously been left behind, as it's pitch black, and barely any houses... that 10 minutes would feel much longer than 10 minutes. I think if it was a mistake he'd have realized it as soon as his tires rolled over gravel. Sure, drive a little further but ~5 miles? Something is off to me for him to be that far down a gravel road in the middle of the night AND missing for over a year.

How Long Does it Take to Drive 5 at 30 MPH?

His father said early on that Jason had blind trust in GPS/Waze, etc. (My wording, not his. His was more dramatic.)

So, I think it’s likely that he realized that he was on the wrong road, but thought that Waze thought it was still the best way to get to his destination. (If not, the ap would have announced: ‘recalculating’ snd started giving directions for him to get back on track.) And the more he drove in the wrong direction, the more the sunk cost fallacy came into play. And that he didn’t realize that Waze wasn’t working—so he just kept driving—maybe speeding up a little because the strange dark gravel road was unsettling. (I’ve seen someone do that.)

MOO

 

[renarde]

"A call log, more than an hour of body camera footage from responding law enforcement, cell phone videos taken by Landry’s father, Kent, and a screen-recorded FaceTime call with Jason are among the items newly released this week."

Missing Jason Landry: What Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office hopes release of new evidence will do | KXAN Austin

 

[renarde]

His father said early on that Jason had blind trust in GPS/Waze, etc. (My wording, not his. His was more dramatic.)

So, I think it’s likely that he realized that he was on the wrong road, but thought that Waze thought it was still the best way to get to his destination. (If not, the ap would have announced: ‘recalculating’ snd started giving directions for him to get back on track.) And the more he drove in the wrong direction, the more the sunk cost fallacy came into play. And that he didn’t realize that Waze wasn’t working—so he just kept driving—maybe speeding up a little because the strange dark gravel road was unsettling. (I’ve seen someone do that.)

MOO

I'm not surprised he ended up where he did, considering he might have been under the influence of something fairly potent. He might've been driving around, dazed and confused, for quite a while, completely lost in the middle of the night, out in the country.

I still wonder, had his car not been towed so quickly, if he might've returned to it...

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[nao]

Moo....maybe Jason did know the road and was just messing around, his father did'nt know he smoked dope, what else did'nt the father know? Moo

 

[branmuffin]

MOO. I mean this respectfully.

The part withheld has to be mental health related. If he’s a happy, adjusting new college kid who smokes that doesn’t necessarily raise any red flags. But if he’s depressed, not adjusting well, possibly struggling with the onset of mental illness (he’s about the right age and drug use can exacerbate it), then it changes how that night looks after the accident. I feel like the investigators tried to walk up to that line as much (spiritual journey, enlightenment) as they could without saying so. If the friend in Missouri City on FaceTime was really a long-time friend, I could Jason spilling his guts to him about how he was feeling. It just feels weird that we have so much recorded evidence from what Jason did that night prior to leaving. I don’t normally record FaceTime chats with friends, but would do so if I felt they were in crisis. And it seems like he talked to multiple people that night who recorded him? I think whatever those conversations are about hold the key to all this.

I don't think the friends recorded the conversations because they saw evidence of a mental crisis or breakdown. I think it was because they were going to play it back to Jason to show just how wasted he was and how strange the conversations were. It would have been a good laugh to them.

I believe the sound was muted to avoid possible prosecution because the subject matter may have initiated an investigation regarding weed and who provided it. I wouldn't be surprised if his buddies were high, too and failed to see any red flags in their conversations with Jason that could have put him in a vulnerable position.

The Ultimate Guide to Marijuana Possession in Texas: Laws, Punishments and Defense Options

He appeared very animated in the conversations; he was sweating quite a bit. Some people experience paranoia with long term cannabis use which would make them anxious and probably perspire more than normal. He doesn't appear anxious or paranoid. I think he may have been on some other drug as well. Earlier I suggested perhaps Adderall. IMO MOO

 

[Curious_in_NC]

Missing Jason Landry: What Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office hopes release of new evidence will do | KXAN Austin

rsbm / bbm
"Now that investigators have gained access to most of Landry’s phone and computer data, they’re revealing more about the moments leading up to his disappearance. That call log shows facetime and voice calls Landry made before and calls he received after his disappearance."

A key development here is they have been able to access his phone. If it recorded any location data that might confirm his route from Luling to the accident site on SFR. I suspect if this indicated anything other than missing the right turn in Luling and going straight through the intersection onto what becomes SFR we would have heard about it. MOO

 

[Megnut]

It is invasive but I really think LE released this information to quell public protest, namely the geofence pressure.

Given the nature of the released information, there's just no indication of foul play or other agents.

This was just a horribly tragic series of events. His snapchat video and his computer searches give context to what happened and how it happened.

Had he not missed his turn, he may have reached his destination or he may have had a spin out anyway, harming himself or others.

As it was, it occurred on a desolate road. Perhaps he stayed in the car for 30 minutes before exiting. Maybe his lights were off when the oil worker passed by and he turned them back on.

Regardless he exited the car... maybe his clothes were already damp with sweat and they felt cold in the night air.

I hope he is ultimately found so a few pieces of remaining puzzle can be put in place. How far he got. Whether he took shelter. How quickly he may have succumbed.

Tragic all around.

JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

rsbm / bbm
"Now that investigators have gained access to most of Landry’s phone and computer data, they’re revealing more about the moments leading up to his disappearance. That call log shows facetime and voice calls Landry made before and calls he received after his disappearance."

A key development here is they have been able to access his phone. If it recorded any location data that might confirm his route from Luling to the accident site on SFR. I suspect if this indicated anything other than missing the right turn in Luling and going straight through the intersection onto what becomes SFR we would have heard about it. MOO

I'm not a "legal" or "techy", but I believe the data was obtained from his cell provider.

I don't know if this was obtained via a warrant or if his dad was paying for his carrier contract and allowed investigators access.

There were probably pings on SFR, but those might have been outside the cell providers info. (These would be satellite based pings).

For instance, Google Maps works in airplane mode because it is satellite and not data plan based. I believe satellite pings could be made available. But I don't know if they would be available via a carrier/provider or they would need a special warrant etc.

 

[branmuffin]

Does it make sense to anyone else here for Captain Ferry to victim shame, release first phone calls to the parents, identifying information of the friend Jason was video chatting with IF he believes Jason has simply not been found? In what world is this ok? Why is this ok here? Does anyone equate this to victim shaming and understand that if this happens in this instance it is likely to happen in many more within this department? Can this department not handle the pressure and questions that they feel the need to release this? It makes no sense to me. Honestly I have never seen this. I find it reprehensible and without purpose. Is anything shown on those videos going to help find Jason in those fields Ferry thinks he’s in?

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Link for reference <modsnip>

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

MOO

Personally, I don't see any victim shaming here. However, I was a little surprised in the manner the trooper spoke to JL's mom. He didn't appear to seem the least bit concerned that the driver may have been injured or walking around injured. He didn't tell her they would search for him. He automatically assumed that the driver fled the accident scene to avoid any possible charge of driving under the influence. He was completely uninterested in the fact that the driver had disrobed in freezing weather which could have indicated a head injury or hypothermia.

I was also concerned about several others things, the fact the VFF's license plate number wasn't blocked out in the video, that LE didn't mute the phone numbers of Jason's mother and father. No one needs some crank calling them about their son.

However, it was obvious to me from the videos released by JL's friends that he indulged in smoking weed a lot. That's fact based, not victim shaming. Let's put it this way, if you had a female who turned up missing, but you failed to mention they were a prostitute, you wouldn't have other prostitutes volunteering information about them or who they went with, or you'd have family members and friends looking in all the wrong places for them. Information is power. I think no less of Jason because he smoked a lot of dope.
IMO

 

[Seattle1]

^^rsbm

I recall from one of Mr. Landy's podcasts that Jason was planning to crash with a childhood friend in his hometown of Missouri City where the gaming party was to commence with his old crowd home for the holidays. He had a two-hour drive from Luling when missed the turn to access I-10 taking him straight to his destination. MOO

Recent MSM article corroborating what I recalled from KL podcast and why his friend started recording their facetime on that fateful evening:

Jan 14, 2022

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

Landry FaceTimed his friend in Missouri City approximately one hour before leaving his San Marcos apartment. Ferry said Landry’s friend screen-recorded the conversation because "Jason was so messed up that he didn’t think he was going to remember it later."

Landry was set to meet the friend he was FaceTiming in Missouri City.

Ferry explained, "All signs point to us that [Landry] is under the influence, and we know that he's going to get in the car and try to navigate his way to Missouri City, where his parents are not expecting him. He was not due home. He was going to hang out with buddies, play video games and get high."

 

[branmuffin]

I was looking at SFR on a map. It's pretty straight up to the location of the accident; a mild bend just before the turn where the accident occurred. So it made me wonder if Jason, perhaps a little sleep deprived and under the influence of weed, and maybe driving a bit faster than was sensible had a bit of white line fever. It's not just the name of a song but a real condition that occurs when driving on long roads where there is no relief from the monotony of driving. It's also called highway hypnosis but its medical name is automaticity. Here's an interesting article regarding the phenomena.

What is White Line Fever? Highway Hypnosis Explained.