TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #6

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The area where he crashed is a dead zone.

It is, but the digital trail was lost well before that - when he was still on the main road, a couple of blocks before he would have turned right.

It still baffles me a bit, but i guess I have to accept that the pings just completely went silent the moment that Jason opened the Snapchat app.

I'd forgotten dogs lost his trail...

Dogs tracked a scent indicating Jason was walking back toward Luling. After about a quarter of a mile, the trail disappeared.

December 15, 2020
Search continues for missing Texas State student

Some users here have said that the area has a lot of oil and gas wells and has a foul stench. That could easily explain why the trail got lost.

Ya know if he was smoking pot or vape he could have had his window cracked and thought his phone maybe slid out the window if he kept it on his dash. If I couldn’t find my phone anywhere in my car & crashed I’d think it flew out. Moo Just a thought..

KL doesn't think Jason was using while driving. He cites not seeing any physical evidence in the car, like ash, half-smoked joints, or roach clips.
 
I think that source (Charley Project) has some of these details wrong. In the most recent video released by CCSO they clearly are looking at an ID from a wallet they found in the backpack in the road, not in the car. It's not clear what other personal belongings were left in the car, apart from the VFF surmising he may have been a lifeguard because of a red whistle.

It may be so that the Charley Project has wrong information. I feel like Mr Landry does in that I don't know what to believe.

On Dec. 13, 2020, at around midnight, Jason's car was found crashed outside Luling, and his wallet and phone were inside the car.

Tuesday, December 14, 2021
Family still seeks answers 1 year after Jason Landry's disappearance
 
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It may be so that the Charley Project has wrong information. I feel like Mr Landry does in that I don't know what to believe.

On Dec. 13, 2020, at around midnight, Jason's car was found crashed outside Luling, and his wallet and phone were inside the car.

Tuesday, December 14, 2021
Family still seeks answers 1 year after Jason Landry's disappearance
While we know for certain that Jason's phone was located by KL wedged between the seats of his Nissan, I also think it's very much possible that Jason's wallet was also in the car BUT his driver's license/Ident inside his backpack. It's been years since I've kept my Ident/DL inside my wallet. All it took was having my handbag stolen complete with my DL once while I was traveling far from home. It was a nightmare I never wanted to repeat! :eek:
 
While we know for certain that Jason's phone was located by KL wedged between the seats of his Nissan, I also think it's very much possible that Jason's wallet was also in the car BUT his driver's license/Ident inside his backpack. It's been years since I've kept my Ident/DL inside my wallet. All it took was having my handbag stolen complete with my DL once while I was traveling far from home. It was a nightmare I never wanted to repeat! :eek:
I hear what you're saying. I keep a "minimal" wallet with me when I'm hiking or running because derelicts around here keep breaking into cars parked at trailheads. A full wallet is too bulky and annoying to bring along on the trail and can't be left in the car.

But here's a screen shot from the CCSO bodycam. It certainly looks to me like they're pulling Jason's ID from a rather large portfolio style wallet, which they just took from the backpack.
 

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I had a thought the other evening after listening to a true crime podcast describing a similar disappearance. In the podcast the Car crash Victim was seen RUNNING from the scene (and never seen again).
Has it ever been discussed that if Jason could possibly have RUN from his crashed car, just how far could he have gone? A lot further than the searched area, I am thinking.

I’m just so hopeful that Jason can be found, I know I’m likely grasping at straws with this theory. Was Jason ever known to run, casually, with a dog maybe, at home, for fitness while at school? Is it possible he ran in his post-crash, panicked state?
 
I had a thought the other evening after listening to a true crime podcast describing a similar disappearance. In the podcast the Car crash Victim was seen RUNNING from the scene (and never seen again).
Has it ever been discussed that if Jason could possibly have RUN from his crashed car, just how far could he have gone? A lot further than the searched area, I am thinking.

I’m just so hopeful that Jason can be found, I know I’m likely grasping at straws with this theory. Was Jason ever known to run, casually, with a dog maybe, at home, for fitness while at school? Is it possible he ran in his post-crash, panicked state?
I don't recall there being any mention about Jason running but perhaps it was because he was barefoot after removing his slides and socks.

There was another young man in Liberty County Tx that crashed and abandoned his car about the same time that JL disappeared. The other young man was seen on surveillance walking briskly past a convenience store in the early morning hours. Although he wasn't running, I think he was walking briskly due to the winter temperature. This man was found by a fisherman a few days later on the bank of a tributary stream behind private property -- cause of death drowning.

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I don't recall there being any mention about Jason running but perhaps it was because he was barefoot after removing his slides and socks.

There was another young man in Liberty County Tx that crashed and abandoned his car about the same time that JL disappeared. The other young man was seen on surveillance walking briskly past a convenience store in the early morning hours. Although he wasn't running, I think he was walking briskly due to the winter temperature. This man was found by a fisherman a few days later on the bank of a tributary stream behind private property -- cause of death drowning.

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Thank you for replying @Seattle1 , always appreciate your posts :)
How awful regarding the other young man though, it sounds as though he could have survived.

It just made me wonder, with the combination of adrenaline and shock, but I’d forgotten he was barefoot. That would make it extremely difficult. I just don’t know :(. Sigh.
 
I had a thought the other evening after listening to a true crime podcast describing a similar disappearance. In the podcast the Car crash Victim was seen RUNNING from the scene (and never seen again).I
Has it ever been discussed that if Jason could possibly have RUN from his crashed car, just how far could he have gone? A lot further than the searched area, I am thinking.

I’m just so hopeful that Jason can be found, I know I’m likely grasping at straws with this theory. Was Jason ever known to run, casually, with a dog maybe, at home, for fitness while at school? Is it possible he ran in his post-crash, panicked state?
I do think running may put Jason further away from the car but he was barefoot on a gravel road. Also, when I did a Google street walk up and and down Salt Flat Road, there is barbed wire fencing all up and down the road, both sides. He would have had to have his wits about him to climb through to run across the fields. It was pitch black night. If he stayed on the roads he might have gone further, certainly if he had made it back to the paved portion. MOO MOO MOO MOO
 
I do think running may put Jason further away from the car but he was barefoot on a gravel road. Also, when I did a Google street walk up and and down Salt Flat Road, there is barbed wire fencing all up and down the road, both sides. He would have had to have his wits about him to climb through to run across the fields. It was pitch black night. If he stayed on the roads he might have gone further, certainly if he had made it back to the paved portion. MOO MOO MOO MOO
That's what I was thinking also about Jason not climbing over the barbed wire fence. That's why I assume that he walked on the road. Also he was in shock and it was cold there was pressure on his body as would any person in a condition such as his so IMO he didn't get far.
 
So I'm curious about what else was in Jason's backpack. Even though his parents weren't aware he was on his way to Missouri City he must have had some change of clothes with him. Long pants? Sweater or hoodie? Shoes other than flipflops? Was there an inventory of the articles in the backpack? Probably not because the trooper seemed unconcerned with its contents after he found the weed. He just left the pack on the road, which I think is freaking egregious. He made the call: driver was male, probably under the influence, who took off to avoid prosecution, and called it a day.

It was a miracle it was still there hours after the accident. However, it does illustrate just how little used the road is which reduces the odds of some other driver with nefarious intentions abducting Jason moments after he crashed. Before the car was hauled to the impound lot did LE ever do a cursory investigation of the scene in terms evidence of braking, length of furrows in the gravel, knocked down grasses, tire tracks other than the Nissan's, the VFF's, and the LE coming from the opposite direction? I would say, no, based on prior actions.

According to a friend (and I don't know if it was the guy recording the video of Jason or one of those he was going to spend time with playing games) said although he was on his way to Missouri City, he had no intention of going to his parents. I don't know if that means he wasn't going, period, even though the Christmas season was in full swing or that he wasn't going until the last possible moment when he had to show up for Christmas.

The retired FBI agent, Pena, has stated he believes other individuals were in the vehicle with Jason. I don't know if there is any evidence of that. When the car crashed did any airbags deploy? I don't see evidence of them deploying even the driver's airbags, although sometimes they are cut away to aid in extricating people from vehicles. That didn't happen here, obviously. Side air bags were an option for that year and make of Altima. Here is a report on the effects of collisions both frontal and side for a vehicle without side air bags.

2003 Nissan Altima 4-door sedan

Another thing I found out about the vehicle is that in August 2020, Nissan sent out a recall for this vehicle because of soldering issues that could cause the vehicle to stall while driving increasing chances of an accident. It would be interesting to know if anyone, either Jason or his father, got a recall notice for the vehicle since it didn't affect all of them.

2003 Nissan Altima 4-door sedan

Going back to the comments that Pena has made regarding his belief that others were in the vehicle with Jason, where is his proof? His reasons are tenuous and probably why it's difficult to get a geofence warrant. Let's say there is DNA evidence that shows others in the vehicle, it doesn't prove anything. Jason's friends could have their fingerprints all over the vehicle, as well as his father and siblings. Unknown fingerprints or DNA could just mean there are others who were in the vehicle, not when they were in there. Like the people who run the impound lot or the guy who towed the vehicle. Are tow trucks driver's regularly asked to provide fingerprints or DNA to eliminate them as suspects in a disappearance of a vehicle they towed?

I can't imagine have a child disappear into the ether without rhyme or reason. Actually, once when my daughter was quite young we thought she had gone missing. The cops were called, I gave them her description but couldn't remember what she wore that day and it broke me. The neighbourhood was canvassed with people congregating in front of our house. It was the worst possible day of my life which still affects me when I think about it. But we were lucky, she showed up upset and embarrassed to be the subject of attention because I had forgotten about an event she attended. All parents should be as lucky as me.

I am still torn as to the circumstance that led up to Jason's disappearance. As a parent I would much rather think of him off doing his own thing, even though I may not approve, than think of him succumbing to the elements and his body eaten by wild hogs and his bones scattered.
 
I do think running may put Jason further away from the car but he was barefoot on a gravel road. Also, when I did a Google street walk up and and down Salt Flat Road, there is barbed wire fencing all up and down the road, both sides. He would have had to have his wits about him to climb through to run across the fields. It was pitch black night. If he stayed on the roads he might have gone further, certainly if he had made it back to the paved portion. MOO MOO MOO MOO
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One thought would be if walking or running on a COLD gravel road barefoot would have left micro abrasions and blood on the gravel road? Certainly the risk of micro abrasions and foot injury would be greater, even wearing slides and slipping about on cold gravel?
With panic, concussion, drugs, etc... he might not have felt anything, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a possibility of foot injury that would leave a small bloody trail, especially after a quarter of a mile? Basing this on the quarter of a mile where the dogs lost the scent.

Obviously, it depends on the toughness of his foot soles, how used to walking barefoot he was, the type of gravel, depth the gravel etc...
Just a thought that I'm wondering about the consistency of evidence.
 
I just read this article on my local news about a car that had been found w/ front end damage on a major interstate in Virginia (I85). There was no one around the car, but the driver, a 27 year old man, was found 2 miles away, deceased. Made me think of this case!

Driver's body found miles away from highway crash scene in Virginia

There is also a WS thread of a young man who fled after an auto accident a few days ago. It reminds me a bit of Jason.

IL - IL - Thomas “Tommy” Howe 24, left on foot after crash on I-94, Libertyville, 22 Jan 2022
 
When the car crashed did any airbags deploy? I don't see evidence of them deploying even the driver's airbags, although sometimes they are cut away to aid in extricating people from vehicles. That didn't happen here, obviously. Side air bags were an option for that year and make of Altima.
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In my opinion, even if the car had side airbags, it's possible they would not deploy given where the initial impact was. it was at the rear, not at the side of the passenger compartment. I also believe the normal front airbags would likely not deploy in a crash like this. The front airbags require the front of the car to hit an object at 30-35 mph or faster. By the time the car spun and hit the fence, there likely wasn't speed left to trigger the front airbags.
 
So I'm curious about what else was in Jason's backpack. Even though his parents weren't aware he was on his way to Missouri City he must have had some change of clothes with him. Long pants? Sweater or hoodie? Shoes other than flipflops? Was there an inventory of the articles in the backpack? Probably not because the trooper seemed unconcerned with its contents after he found the weed. He just left the pack on the road, which I think is freaking egregious. He made the call: driver was male, probably under the influence, who took off to avoid prosecution, and called it a day.

It was a miracle it was still there hours after the accident. However, it does illustrate just how little used the road is which reduces the odds of some other driver with nefarious intentions abducting Jason moments after he crashed. Before the car was hauled to the impound lot did LE ever do a cursory investigation of the scene in terms evidence of braking, length of furrows in the gravel, knocked down grasses, tire tracks other than the Nissan's, the VFF's, and the LE coming from the opposite direction? I would say, no, based on prior actions.

According to a friend (and I don't know if it was the guy recording the video of Jason or one of those he was going to spend time with playing games) said although he was on his way to Missouri City, he had no intention of going to his parents. I don't know if that means he wasn't going, period, even though the Christmas season was in full swing or that he wasn't going until the last possible moment when he had to show up for Christmas.

The retired FBI agent, Pena, has stated he believes other individuals were in the vehicle with Jason. I don't know if there is any evidence of that. When the car crashed did any airbags deploy? I don't see evidence of them deploying even the driver's airbags, although sometimes they are cut away to aid in extricating people from vehicles. That didn't happen here, obviously. Side air bags were an option for that year and make of Altima. Here is a report on the effects of collisions both frontal and side for a vehicle without side air bags.

2003 Nissan Altima 4-door sedan

Another thing I found out about the vehicle is that in August 2020, Nissan sent out a recall for this vehicle because of soldering issues that could cause the vehicle to stall while driving increasing chances of an accident. It would be interesting to know if anyone, either Jason or his father, got a recall notice for the vehicle since it didn't affect all of them.

2003 Nissan Altima 4-door sedan

Going back to the comments that Pena has made regarding his belief that others were in the vehicle with Jason, where is his proof? His reasons are tenuous and probably why it's difficult to get a geofence warrant. Let's say there is DNA evidence that shows others in the vehicle, it doesn't prove anything. Jason's friends could have their fingerprints all over the vehicle, as well as his father and siblings. Unknown fingerprints or DNA could just mean there are others who were in the vehicle, not when they were in there. Like the people who run the impound lot or the guy who towed the vehicle. Are tow trucks driver's regularly asked to provide fingerprints or DNA to eliminate them as suspects in a disappearance of a vehicle they towed?

I can't imagine have a child disappear into the ether without rhyme or reason. Actually, once when my daughter was quite young we thought she had gone missing. The cops were called, I gave them her description but couldn't remember what she wore that day and it broke me. The neighbourhood was canvassed with people congregating in front of our house. It was the worst possible day of my life which still affects me when I think about it. But we were lucky, she showed up upset and embarrassed to be the subject of attention because I had forgotten about an event she attended. All parents should be as lucky as me.

I am still torn as to the circumstance that led up to Jason's disappearance. As a parent I would much rather think of him off doing his own thing, even though I may not approve, than think of him succumbing to the elements and his body eaten by wild hogs and his bones scattered.

The backpack contained JL's computer and game electronics, and a small amount of weed. One of the initial MSM network headlines reported "a bag full of drugs" which proved to be incorrect. I don't believe the backpack was left behind on the road. On the contrary, that's the only item LE collected -- leaving JL's clothes, shoes, watch, scattered on the road for his father to recover later that morning in the daylight hours.
 
The backpack contained JL's computer and game electronics, and a small amount of weed. One of the initial MSM network headlines reported "a bag full of drugs" which proved to be incorrect. I don't believe the backpack was left behind on the road. On the contrary, that's the only item LE collected -- leaving JL's clothes, shoes, watch, scattered on the road for his father to recover later that morning in the daylight hours.


Here's a quote from the article linked regarding the chronology of events:

6 a.m.: Upon arrival, Kent finds articles of clothing strewn in the road. Also in the road, about 900 feet from the crash, is Jason's backpack, which a DPS trooper takes for evidence. About 100 feet away are clothes thought to be what Jason was wearing before the crash — a shirt, shorts, socks, underwear and slide sandals —and a wristwatch, authorities said.

Missing Texas State student Jason Landry timeline: What we know
 
Here's a quote from the article linked regarding the chronology of events:

6 a.m.: Upon arrival, Kent finds articles of clothing strewn in the road. Also in the road, about 900 feet from the crash, is Jason's backpack, which a DPS trooper takes for evidence. About 100 feet away are clothes thought to be what Jason was wearing before the crash — a shirt, shorts, socks, underwear and slide sandals —and a wristwatch, authorities said.

Missing Texas State student Jason Landry timeline: What we know

Forgive me if I’ve overlooked it, but was it ever determined why LE gathered his backpack but not his clothing? Did LE even see his clothing that night?
 
Forgive me if I’ve overlooked it, but was it ever determined why LE gathered his backpack but not his clothing? Did LE even see his clothing that night?

I don't know. But remember, from that timeline, the backpack wasn't taken as evidence until the following morning when JL's dad arrived on the scene. I find it odd that the VFF didn't see the backpack or the clothing on the road either, presumably because he was scanning the ditches and the fields rather than the road. He must have driven in both directions from the site of the accident checking for an injured individual before calling LE since he did mention searching in the call.
 
Forgive me if I’ve overlooked it, but was it ever determined why LE gathered his backpack but not his clothing? Did LE even see his clothing that night?

I don't know. But remember, from that timeline, the backpack wasn't taken as evidence until the following morning when JL's dad arrived on the scene. I find it odd that the VFF didn't see the backpack or the clothing on the road either, presumably because he was scanning the ditches and the fields rather than the road. He must have driven in both directions from the site of the accident checking for an injured individual before calling LE since he did mention searching in the call.
^^bbm

The timeline is incorrect, the backpack was NOT left and taken as evidence in the morning.

Per the 52 minute dashcam by Trooper Flores linked below, I offer the following:

Flores arrives at the crash site at about the 1:55 min mark where the VFF truck is parked on the road.

VFF exits his truck and approaches Trooper Flores vehicle and begins to explain to the Trooper details he's observed including that there's a backpack in the road that he DID NOT TOUCH, clothing, socks, watch, etc., believed stripped by the driver, including his shorts with blood smudge on the waistband.

Also and a cup with perhaps alcohol (VFF provides the driver must be intoxicated -- why else strip your clothes in this cold)...

VFF suspects the driver headed to the abandoned house and the Trooper immediately interjects that he does not recommend the VFF go to this house.

Trooper tells the VFF he's already contacted Dix Diesel (i.e., Towing).

[Audible 12:35 AM]

About 6:00 min mark -- Trooper exits his cruiser -- inspecting the crash site w/VFF --off camera.

About 8:30 min mark-- Trooper and the VFF return to their vehicles, drive further up the road, park, and exit their vehicles.

About 17:00 min mark -- Trooper and VFF are now in camera view walking to their vehicles with Trooper carrying the backpack.

The backpack and clothes left on the road were about a 2- minute drive from the crash scene. MOO

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores
 
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