TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #6

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The timeline is incorrect, the backpack was NOT left and taken as evidence in the morning.

Per the 52 minute dashcam by Trooper Flores linked below, I offer the following:

Flores arrives at the crash site at about the 1:55 min mark where the VFF truck is parked on the road.

VFF exits his truck and approaches Trooper Flores vehicle and begins to explain to the Trooper details he's observed including that there's a backpack in the road that he DID NOT TOUCH, clothing, socks, watch, etc., believed stripped by the driver, including his shorts with blood smudge on the waistband.

Also and a cup with perhaps alcohol (VFF provides the driver must be intoxicated -- why else strip your clothes in this cold)...

VFF suspects the driver headed to the abandoned house and the Trooper immediately interjects that he does not recommend the VFF go to this house.

Trooper tells the VFF he's already contacted Dix Diesel (i.e., Towing).

[Audible 12:35 AM]

About 6:00 min mark -- Trooper exits his cruiser -- inspecting the crash site w/VFF --off camera.

About 8:30 min mark-- Trooper and the VFF return to their vehicles, drive further up the road, park, and exit their vehicles.

About 17:00 min mark -- Trooper and VFF are now in camera view walking to their vehicles with Trooper carrying the backpack.

The backpack and clothes left on the road were about a 2- minute drive from the crash scene. MOO

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores

I don't dispute the video showing the trooper carrying the backpack. It just contradicted the information on the timeline when KL arrived on the scene at 6 am. JL's dad found his belongings strewn on the road and the backpack was mentioned at the same time. My information was inaccurate based on the dashboard cam.
 
I don't dispute the video showing the trooper carrying the backpack. It just contradicted the information on the timeline when KL arrived on the scene at 6 am. JL's dad found his belongings strewn on the road and the backpack was mentioned at the same time. My information was inaccurate based on the dashboard cam.
^^bbm

I apologize if OP read my post as disputing OP's opinion, reliant on information published in the linked AAS article dated 12/13/21.

To be clear, I am disputing the accuracy of the timeline published by AAS where the report inaccurately lumped several events as all as occurring at 6 AM.

The following corroborated facts contradict these events reported by AAS as happening at 6 AM:

Trooper Flores' DPS report/inventory negates he collected anything but the backpack and its content after 12:35 AM.

In his own words, KL previously told us that he left his Missouri City home for Luling early Monday morning-- forgetting the 2nd set of keys to the Nissan and without knowledge of where the crash occurred. KL only had knowledge that JL's phone was located at the impound yard because he was using the find my phone app.

KL, the registered owner of the Nissan, could not get access to the Nissan until after the impound yard opened at 7 AM.

After retrieving JL's phone (wedged between the seat and console), KL learned the location of the crash on Salt Flat Road (i.e., dispatch location for the tow), where KL alone located and collected JL's clothing scattered along the roadway.

From the Caldwell County Sheriff's Press Release dated Jan 29, 2021:

Caldwell County Sheriff's Office
January 29, 2021

For immediate release:

The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered a missing person.
[..]

The volunteer firefighter, who discovered Jason’s abandoned vehicle, did not enter the vehicle. The Trooper who responded to the scene, almost an hour later, also did not enter the vehicle. The vehicle was towed from the scene to an impound yard, where the next morning, Jason’s father, the registered owner of the vehicle, entered the vehicle through the unlocked driver’s side door, and discovered Jason’s cell phone between the driver’s seat and the center console.
[..]

Jason’s father collected the phone and attempted to locate the scene of the collision. Upon arrival to the area, approximately 900 feet from the collision scene, Jason’s father found articles of his sons clothing (shirt, shorts, socks, underwear, slide sandals and a wristwatch) in the roadway. Those clothes were collected by his father and later released to investigators who have processed those clothes for any evidentiary findings.

[..]

Upon a review of the Troopers body and dash cameras from his initial response to the crash scene, investigators know that approximately 900 feet from the collision scene, the following articles, belonging to Jason, were discovered in the roadway; a backpack, a ball cap, a plastic bag of personal toiletries, and a tumbler with his deceased beta fish in it. These findings were north of the clothing, recovered the next morning by Jason’s father. Jason’s backpack contained his wallet, a usable amount of marijuana, a laptop computer, gaming equipment, and a few personal effects. Any report stating that the backpack was “filled” with narcotics, is inaccurate.
[..]

On Monday, Jason’s father received the backpack from DPS (without the seized marijuana) and released the phone to DPS Troopers when efforts began to access the device and data.
DPS continued being lead on the search and initial investigative efforts, until Friday, 12/18/20 when the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office assumed lead. This office has been working with various outside agencies and organizations since assuming lead investigative responsibility.
[..]

TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, en route from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020
 
I had a thought the other evening after listening to a true crime podcast describing a similar disappearance. In the podcast the Car crash Victim was seen RUNNING from the scene (and never seen again).
Has it ever been discussed that if Jason could possibly have RUN from his crashed car, just how far could he have gone? A lot further than the searched area, I am thinking.

I’m just so hopeful that Jason can be found, I know I’m likely grasping at straws with this theory. Was Jason ever known to run, casually, with a dog maybe, at home, for fitness while at school? Is it possible he ran in his post-crash, panicked state?
I'm thinking he definitely could have run several miles. I've posted numerous times in Jason's thread about the similarities between his case and Jamisha Gilbert's case. Both were about the same age, smoked some unlaced pot and nothing else, had a minor car accident on a very cold night, left the crash site and disrobed. Jamisha was found so deep in a briar patch that they had to take chain saws to cut a path in it to retrieve her.

She was seen on video running "at a steady pace" back and forth on the road. No one else was observed so she wasn't being chased. At some point she started disrobing. The difference with her disrobing is her clothes were in several different places, not one place like Jason's which can be seen in the pic in the file (Top of Pg. 8).

It goes on to say that the effects of smoking pot and the trauma of being involved in a vehicle accident seem to have pushed her over the edge to the point where she acted completely irrationally, disrobing and running down a roadway during the middle of the night on a very cold evening. Also that she ran approximately 2 miles before becoming entangled deep in the briar patch.

Unfortunately I'm unable to copy and paste text from this .pdf so I'll link to it so you can see for yourself. To make things easier for you to find since it's 16 pages long... is to use Ctrl-F and type what you're looking for. I'm sure most of you know that but not all here may know. I searched for the words running and miles (2 different searches) to find what I was looking for.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e3-9533-0017a43b2370/53596462b5175.pdf.pdf
 
Thank you for replying @Seattle1 , always appreciate your posts :)
How awful regarding the other young man though, it sounds as though he could have survived.

It just made me wonder, with the combination of adrenaline and shock, but I’d forgotten he was barefoot. That would make it extremely difficult. I just don’t know :(. Sigh.

Sometimes they just do not feel pain. That was another long ago post of mine on Jason's thread where Jamisha Gilbert was naked and ended up deep in a briar patch. If I got one prick I'd have backed off. Instead, she ended up burrowing (or running) deeper into the patch. So as I said... sometimes they just don't feel pain. We tend to think about pain in relation to ourselves when everything is normal. Things were not normal after their crashes with Jamisha nor Jason.

Pg. 9: https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e3-9533-0017a43b2370/53596462b5175.pdf.pdf
 
Were the lights left on when the car was towed?

When Dix Diesel's flatbed tow arrives to collect the Nissan, the lights on Jason's Nissan are on. The Trooper tells the tow driver that the keys are in the ignition but the doors are locked. He also tells him the back window was busted out.

It takes the tow driver about 10 mins to raise the wrecked Nissan to the flatbed and when the Nissan comes in to view, the lights are now off. So no, the lights were not left on when the car was in tow.

See video beginning at about 36 min mark to 46 mins.

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores
 
When Dix Diesel's flatbed tow arrives to collect the Nissan, the lights on Jason's Nissan are on. The Trooper tells the tow driver that the keys are in the ignition but the doors are locked. He also tells him the back window was busted out.

It takes the tow driver about 10 mins to raise the wrecked Nissan to the flatbed and when the Nissan comes in to view, the lights are now off. So no, the lights were not left on when the car was in tow.

See video beginning at about 36 min mark to 46 mins.

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores

Just watched the video again. So maybe the tow truck driver somehow opened a car door and turned the lights off... Even though Trooper Flores stated the doors were locked? Either that, or the car battery died.
 
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I'm thinking he definitely could have run several miles. I've posted numerous times in Jason's thread about the similarities between his case and Jamisha Gilbert's case. Both were about the same age, smoked some unlaced pot and nothing else, had a minor car accident on a very cold night, left the crash site and disrobed. Jamisha was found so deep in a briar patch that they had to take chain saws to cut a path in it to retrieve her.

She was seen on video running "at a steady pace" back and forth on the road. No one else was observed so she wasn't being chased. At some point she started disrobing. The difference with her disrobing is her clothes were in several different places, not one place like Jason's which can be seen in the pic in the file (Top of Pg. 8).

It goes on to say that the effects of smoking pot and the trauma of being involved in a vehicle accident seem to have pushed her over the edge to the point where she acted completely irrationally, disrobing and running down a roadway during the middle of the night on a very cold evening. Also that she ran approximately 2 miles before becoming entangled deep in the briar patch.

Unfortunately I'm unable to copy and paste text from this .pdf so I'll link to it so you can see for yourself. To make things easier for you to find since it's 16 pages long... is to use Ctrl-F and type what you're looking for. I'm sure most of you know that but not all here may know. I searched for the words running and miles (2 different searches) to find what I was looking for.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e3-9533-0017a43b2370/53596462b5175.pdf.pdf
Thank you @Gemmie! Off to read Jamisha’s case
 
Just watched the video again. So maybe the tow truck driver somehow opened a car door and turned the lights off... Even though Trooper Flores stated the doors were locked? Either that, or the car battery died.
Most tow drivers disconnect the battery as a rule before the tow to prevent the car's alarm from being activated -- not that I think that was a concern with the Nissan.

I believe the driver was able to unlock one of the car doors because KL was very happy to find a door unlocked when he reached the impound since he forgot his own set of keys to the Nissan at his home.
 
Sometimes they just do not feel pain. That was another long ago post of mine on Jason's thread where Jamisha Gilbert was naked and ended up deep in a briar patch. If I got one prick I'd have backed off. Instead, she ended up burrowing (or running) deeper into the patch. So as I said... sometimes they just don't feel pain. We tend to think about pain in relation to ourselves when everything is normal. Things were not normal after their crashes with Jamisha nor Jason.

Pg. 9: https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e3-9533-0017a43b2370/53596462b5175.pdf.pdf

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Thanks for posting this. A couple of things come to my mind when I compare the two cases. Jamisha was on a paved road for most of that time before the briar patch While Jason was on an unpaved potholed gravel road. She may have also walked so her heart rate would've gone down. I don't think in the report it states she had a head injury that would cause more issues also. She also removed items of her clothing slower than Jason did. His clothes were found releatively close to the crash site and were removed all at once it looks like. So she had more clothes on for a longer period of time than Jason did. The briar patch doesn't look that from the paved road (Passport Road.) Its probably true that when she got into the briar patch she was on the vege of dying. But with Jason's case its perplexing that the body hasn't been found ok say the same distance as Jamisha's was found for example. That barbed wire fence went all the way into the residential area along SFR road. So for a quarter mile his scent is tracked then what? He couldn't have climbed the barbed wire fence without blood being drawn so further scent could be traced. MOO. Another thing that just occurred to me was that it doesn't look loke Jason's car airbags deployed. Could it be that he hit his head somewhere during the accident that resulted in a head injury.
 
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JL disappeared at a vulnerable age -- especially for males.

Teenagers who smoke cannabis are six times more likely to develop schizophrenia, study claims | Daily Mail Online

Feb 2, 2022

[..]

Dr Lynn DeLisi, one of the authors of the paper, told the New York Times at the time: 'My study clearly shows that cannabis does not cause schizophrenia by itself.

'Rather, a genetic predisposition is necessary.

'It is highly likely, based on the results of this study and others, that cannabis use during adolescence through to age 25, when the brain is maturing and at its peak of growth in a genetically vulnerable individual, can initiate the onset of schizophrenia.'
 
The Texas Attorney General's Cold Case and Missing Person's Unit will be assisting Caldwell County in the investigation of Jason's case. We are very thankful to have a fresh set of eyes on the case. We pray that they will help find Jason.(Cold Case and Missing Persons Unit | Office of the Attorney General)
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Project Absentis was notified that the newly formed Cold Case and Missing Persons Unit within the Office of the Attorney General will be partnering with the District Attorney's office of Caldwell County to further their investigation into the disappearance of Jason Landry.

As we have previously stated it was our belief that the evidence will lead to this case to be a criminal matter. We presented our findings to those agencies and are trusting that they will bring the closure we all so desperately desire. We are thankful to our team for the countless hours spent seeking answers. We also thank those of you who have provided intelligence to the Project Absentis team.

Please keep the information coming. We join with the Landry's in prayer as we wait for answers and justice. #missingpersons #texasstateuniversity #luling #caldwellcounty
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The Texas Attorney General's Cold Case and Missing Person's Unit will be assisting Caldwell County in the investigation of Jason's case. We are very thankful to have a fresh set of eyes on the case. We pray that they will help find Jason.(Cold Case and Missing Persons Unit | Office of the Attorney General)
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Project Absentis was notified that the newly formed Cold Case and Missing Persons Unit within the Office of the Attorney General will be partnering with the District Attorney's office of Caldwell County to further their investigation into the disappearance of Jason Landry.

As we have previously stated it was our belief that the evidence will lead to this case to be a criminal matter. We presented our findings to those agencies and are trusting that they will bring the closure we all so desperately desire. We are thankful to our team for the countless hours spent seeking answers. We also thank those of you who have provided intelligence to the Project Absentis team.

Please keep the information coming. We join with the Landry's in prayer as we wait for answers and justice. #missingpersons #texasstateuniversity #luling #caldwellcounty
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Interesting that they think the evidence will lead to it being a criminal matter. I noticed that the comment wasn't "may" lead, but "will" lead. That's not an iffy statement. It makes it even more a shame that LE was so darn quick to tow the evidence, I mean, Jason's car, away. I'd be pretty upset if he was my child and the case was handled as it was.

I wish the family much luck with the new set of eyes on this case. :)
 
Hopefully, this will lead to a geofence warrant. I'm not at all sure Jason's remains aren't out there in the field nearby, accidental death, but it seems it's appropriate to figure out who else might have been in the area at the same time. The fact that they're willing to help investigate, IMHO, indicates the AG also is open to thinking this is a criminal matter.
 
The Texas Attorney General's Cold Case and Missing Person's Unit will be assisting Caldwell County in the investigation of Jason's case. We are very thankful to have a fresh set of eyes on the case. We pray that they will help find Jason.(Cold Case and Missing Persons Unit | Office of the Attorney General)
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Project Absentis was notified that the newly formed Cold Case and Missing Persons Unit within the Office of the Attorney General will be partnering with the District Attorney's office of Caldwell County to further their investigation into the disappearance of Jason Landry.

As we have previously stated it was our belief that the evidence will lead to this case to be a criminal matter. We presented our findings to those agencies and are trusting that they will bring the closure we all so desperately desire. We are thankful to our team for the countless hours spent seeking answers. We also thank those of you who have provided intelligence to the Project Absentis team.

Please keep the information coming. We join with the Landry's in prayer as we wait for answers and justice. #missingpersons #texasstateuniversity #luling #caldwellcounty
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Hope this leads to finding Jason or at least answers as to what happened. I wonder what led to this. Was there a tip or is it a fresh look into a case that seems stalled. I just wonder myself why the scent trail ended where it did and if Jason passed away on SFR where the scent suddenly ended where is he? Why didn't the VFF see him laying in the road or near the road? In context it wasn't like the VFF came a long time later. In that time the animal scavengers couldn't have have damaged the body much for one thing and where was the blood if that did happen. Its just so perplexing IMO. It wasn't raining heavily or at all so there should have been traces of him since it wasn't that long after the VFF appeared. IDK?
 
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Hope this leads to finding Jason or at least answers as to what happened. I wonder what led to this. Was there a tip or is it a fresh look into a case that seems stalled. I just wonder myself why the scent trail ended where it did and if Jason passed away on SFR where the scent suddenly ended where is he? Why didn't the VFF see him laying in the road or near the road? In context it wasn't like the VFF came a long time later. In that time the animal scavengers couldn't have have damaged the body much for one thing and where was the blood if that did happen. Its just so perplexing IMO. It wasn't raining heavily or at all so there should have been traces of him since it wasn't that long after the VFF appeared. IDK?

I've been thinking this as well, surely Jason left some traces (like his feet got cut up) after that moment of 900 ft south of the crash site. Generally, I've concluded that's why 'securing the scene' is so important and that any evidence that he might have left was degraded or made unusable with all the foot traffic and people walking about.
 
It was cold, Jason was presumed to have crashed while DUI. The vehicle was not in a roadway. It seems to me the car should've been left in place if only for shelter. Boot the wheel.

I will be stunned if this turns out to be a criminal case.

There just doesn't seem to be any indication of a second vehicle.

JMO
 
It was cold, Jason was presumed to have crashed while DUI. The vehicle was not in a roadway. It seems to me the car should've been left in place if only for shelter. Boot the wheel.

I will be stunned if this turns out to be a criminal case.

There just doesn't seem to be any indication of a second vehicle.

JMO
I’m just sooooooo curious what they found that seems to make them sure this is criminal. We sure haven’t seen anything like that, but there are enough unknowns that it is definitely possible.
 
I’m just sooooooo curious what they found that seems to make them sure this is criminal. We sure haven’t seen anything like that, but there are enough unknowns that it is definitely possible.
I don't think anyone is "sure" this is criminal, except maybe the dad who, well, you can't blame him for being desperate.

The AG is taking this on to investigate further. To see if possibly it's a criminal case, as I understand it.
 
How does a "scent" suddenly stop. I mean it was tracked until it stopped, there's barbed wire fences on both sides so LE/SAR would've checked behind the fences and on the grassy or twigged areas (it doesn't really look grassy they look more like rough twigs.) So that's what I keep coming back to. That makes it perplexing. The VFF didn't notice anything if Jason was there he should've seen something. IMO by the time the VFF got to the general area especially where Jason's scent trail stopped Jason was gone from there. But then the question remains, where?
 
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