TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #6

[Gemmie]

Thank you for that. Its 10 people who may have information regarding Jason's case. I guess when I was reading that it was 4AM in the morning. My apologies. Although on Pena's part is it conjecture that someone else was in the car or does he have forensic evidence? Did he swab at Kent's discretion? I wonder how he came up with ten people who may be able to shed some info for that night.

Just a guess on my part but I'm thinking some of the 10 people are likely his friends, especially those he FaceTimed with before leaving, and perhaps his ex-GF. Maybe co-workers, room-mates, and schoolmates as well. MOO

 

[Texas_Lexus]

I've watched the entire dashcam video where LEA speaks to the VFF and then finds Jason's car and calls his parents and the car is towed during that time. I also watched the entire video where LEA searched around the abandoned house and shed. If this has already been addressed before, please forgive me because I'm new here, but was a thorough search of the inside of the abandoned house and shed ever been conducted? Also if a person has taken off all their clothing and shoes, can search and rescue dogs still be able to track a person's scent? How far from the crash site are the abandoned house and shed?

 

[Gemmie]

I've watched the entire dashcam video where LEA speaks to the VFF and then finds Jason's car and calls his parents and the car is towed during that time. I also watched the entire video where LEA searched around the abandoned house and shed. If this has already been addressed before, please forgive me because I'm new here, but was a thorough search of the inside of the abandoned house and shed ever been conducted? Also if a person has taken off all their clothing and shoes, can search and rescue dogs still be able to track a person's scent? How far from the crash site are the abandoned house and shed?

Welcome to Websleuths, Texas_Lexus!

My (uneducated) opinion on can a dog track a naked person's scent... Your scent comes from your body, which gets into your clothes, not the other way around. So removing your clothing does not remove your scent from your body. After all... your scent comes from your body as I said. That's why they call it body odor.

 

[Texas_Lexus]

Welcome to Websleuths, Texas_Lexus!

My (uneducated) opinion on can a dog track a naked person's scent... Your scent comes from your body, which gets into your clothes, not the other way around. So removing your clothing does not remove your scent from your body. After all... your scent comes from your body as I said. That's why they call it body odor.

Thank you! That makes sense. I just assumed that the dogs would have a better chance of locating a person if they were wearing clothing that already had their scent on it.

Does anybody know about the abandoned house and shed? The reason I mention it is could a window have been open or a door unlocked that he could've gotten in to seek shelter from the cold? Also the car was in bad shape so I would believe that he would've sustained some sort of injury, even a minor one? I did read on one account where the dogs seemed to pick up scent between the house and the pond, which was why the pond was drained. Another thing that intrigues me is on the call with the parents, Trooper Flores mentioned the back window of the car being busted out and that he assumed that Jason kicked out the window to escape from the car. This leads me to another question - he was wearing shorts so I would naturally assumed that he would've gotten cut from the shards of glass.

Only the wrecker driver would know this since he was the one who had to gain entry to the car to tow it, but the key was in the ignition, but was it in the run position or accessories? This might sound dumb, but I wonder if the engine completely stalled from the crash or if he tried to restart the car after the crash. I know a lot of cars have timers where the headlights stay on for a certain period of time, but from what I understand there is 61 minutes from the time he switched from Waze to Snapchat and that Trooper Flores came on the scene.

 

[Texas_Lexus]

Another random thought: aren’t most cars equipped with a computer, similar to a airplane’s black box that records speed and braking data? The reason I mention it is because it could shed more light on the crash itself.

I’m also very interested in the possibility of a geofencing warrant. I’ve never heard of it until I began reading everything I could find on the case but I assume it has the capability to go back in time to the night of the accident.

 

[SimplyCass]

Another random thought: aren’t most cars equipped with a computer, similar to a airplane’s black box that records speed and braking data? The reason I mention it is because it could shed more light on the crash itself.

I’m also very interested in the possibility of a geofencing warrant. I’ve never heard of it until I began reading everything I could find on the case but I assume it has the capability to go back in time to the night of the accident.

Jason drove a 2003 Nissan Altima. From what I've searched, it does not appear that Nissan installed EDR (Event Data Recorders) on Altima models until 2013. Two places that offer EDR recovery services only list Altima models starting in 2013 (I've attached screenshots).

 

[5W's]

I don't believe he has any evidence, only playing out possible scenarios. Maybe the 10 people are those in JL's inner circle; the guys he was FTing with and the guys he was going to visit to play video games.

I suppose it's possible he met someone within the time period he was talking to his friend on FT and getting in his vehicle but if that was the case it would likely be someone from the university who asked to hitch a ride rather than some random person who was hitchhiking at the intersection in Luling. There appeared to be no traffic on Salt Flat Rd during the time the VFF discovered the vehicle and the arrival of LE. I doubt there would be much more vehicular traffic going through that intersection at that time of night. Anything is possible. But you can't waste resources on speculations.

Well, sometimes cases can apear to be something actually but they may be the opposite as well. A good case that would have one do a double take is Todd Geib from Casinova Michigan in 2005, some things are similar to Jason's case such as his age and a few other things but the circumstances are obviously different. LE is adamant about their conclusion and the file is closed. But the circumstances leave one wondering how?

 

[5W's]

Thank you! That makes sense. I just assumed that the dogs would have a better chance of locating a person if they were wearing clothing that already had their scent on it.

Does anybody know about the abandoned house and shed? The reason I mention it is could a window have been open or a door unlocked that he could've gotten in to seek shelter from the cold? Also the car was in bad shape so I would believe that he would've sustained some sort of injury, even a minor one? I did read on one account where the dogs seemed to pick up scent between the house and the pond, which was why the pond was drained. Another thing that intrigues me is on the call with the parents, Trooper Flores mentioned the back window of the car being busted out and that he assumed that Jason kicked out the window to escape from the car. This leads me to another question - he was wearing shorts so I would naturally assumed that he would've gotten cut from the shards of glass.

Only the wrecker driver would know this since he was the one who had to gain entry to the car to tow it, but the key was in the ignition, but was it in the run position or accessories? This might sound dumb, but I wonder if the engine completely stalled from the crash or if he tried to restart the car after the crash. I know a lot of cars have timers where the headlights stay on for a certain period of time, but from what I understand there is 61 minutes from the time he switched from Waze to Snapchat and that Trooper Flores came on the scene.

Some good points. Especially about Jason kicking the back window and shards of glass cutting him, that question I believe hasn't been asked. Another thing I can't see is if he was able to open his driver's side door which was against the fence and get out then why would he need to kick the back window?

 

[Texas_Lexus]

OK, I went back and watched the cellphone video that Jason's dad took of his car and you can see small twigs on the back sundeck. There are some small glass shards on the sundeck as well. But most of the rear window looks to be hanging off the side of the car. It looks like a pretty clean break at the top of the window. The car was towed on a flatbed down a long rural bumpy road so again, what did it look like before it was towed. I watched the entire 51 minute dashcam of Trooper Flores on the scene and he never appeared to get out of his car and search around Jason's car. I never thought about him not being able to open the driver's side door. In the video, its dark, the car is on the side of the road, there's tall grass, so there's no way to see what's on the driver's side.

 

[Texas_Lexus]

Another question about Jason's phone. I'm quoting from Houston's Channel 2 report on the case "Investigators believe that Jason continued straight through the intersection, continuing onto E. Austin. At this intersection, Jason’s digital footprint essentially stops." When Trooper Flores is on the phone with the parents, a call to Jason is attempted at some point, but the phone goes straight to voicemail. When his dad found the phone in the car, was it turned off? If his digital footprint stopped at the above intersection, did he turn off his phone after using Snapchat? I know in some rural areas of Texas there isn't coverage. If the phone was indeed turned off, was it getting a signal and would it even show up if the geofencing warrant was obtained?

 

[Valiant]

Another question about Jason's phone. I'm quoting from Houston's Channel 2 report on the case "Investigators believe that Jason continued straight through the intersection, continuing onto E. Austin. At this intersection, Jason’s digital footprint essentially stops." When Trooper Flores is on the phone with the parents, a call to Jason is attempted at some point, but the phone goes straight to voicemail. When his dad found the phone in the car, was it turned off? If his digital footprint stopped at the above intersection, did he turn off his phone after using Snapchat? I know in some rural areas of Texas there isn't coverage. If the phone was indeed turned off, was it getting a signal and would it even show up if the geofencing warrant was obtained?

I think there is some ambiguity by "digital footprint".
- Did he mean Jason stops interacting with the phone?
- Or did he mean the phone is no longer communicating?
I believe if you read through the long archive, a local poster said the signal is weak (possibly non-existent) in spots near the crash site. That could explain the phone going to voicemail while the car was at the accident site, but the father being able to call the phone and find it in the car at the tow yard (I think i'm recalling correctly how the father found the phone).

 

[Texas_Lexus]

I think there is some ambiguity by "digital footprint".
- Did he mean Jason stops interacting with the phone?
- Or did he mean the phone is no longer communicating?
I believe if you read through the long archive, a local poster said the signal is weak (possibly non-existent) in spots near the crash site. That could explain the phone going to voicemail while the car was at the accident site, but the father being able to call the phone and find it in the car at the tow yard (I think i'm recalling correctly how the father found the phone).

Very interesting. I didn't know that's how his dad was able to find his phone. I just knew it was lodged way down in the car seat when it was found by his dad. I have T-Mobile (I know the family has Verizon) and I've been up in Hunt, TX in a very remote area where my phone didn't work at all. If I went up on a hill, I'd get a weak signal, but sometimes not one all. That makes sense as to why it went to VM at the crash site, but not at the tow yard.

 

[Longhorn2004]

Same here.
Accident, black ice, spun vehicle, ended up rolling over twice and ended down in ravine, drivers side door slammed against tree and facing opposite direction.
I had to crawl out the passenger side door, through the glass

There was no ice. It was above freezing temperatures.

 

[wary]

There was no ice. It was above freezing temperatures.

It was a gravel road, right? In my experience, that’s difficult for an inexperienced driver to drive on.

MOO

 

[Texas_Lexus]

It was a gravel road, right? In my experience, that’s difficult for an inexperienced driver to drive on.

MOO

Yes it was a gravel road. No ice or precipitation just very cold temps that night.

after looking at the pictures of the car, I’m really surprised it wasn’t a rollover crash.

gravel road, high rate of speed, likely impaired driver and the ditch where the car ended up after hitting a tree and a fence. I’ve seen some rollover crashes before and think how on God’s green earth did that car flip?

 

[SimplyCass]

I think there is some ambiguity by "digital footprint".
- Did he mean Jason stops interacting with the phone?
- Or did he mean the phone is no longer communicating?
I believe if you read through the long archive, a local poster said the signal is weak (possibly non-existent) in spots near the crash site. That could explain the phone going to voicemail while the car was at the accident site, but the father being able to call the phone and find it in the car at the tow yard (I think i'm recalling correctly how the father found the phone).

This was something I brought up a few times. The recent articles from a month ago have clarified that the moment Jason opened the Snapchat app, the pings stopped. Waze usually needs to be in the foreground to work, so that's no surprise. But they do not know (or have not released) any information about the timeline from that point (11:24 p.m.) to when the VFF called in the report at 12:31 a.m. We don't know what time he reached the site on SFR, how long he was there, etc.

 

[Megnut]

If Jason abandoned the car closer to 11:30 (having arrived directly from the last known intersection), an hour would've elapsed before the vff came upon it.

We don't know why he removed all of his clothing, but if he did make his way to the water and entered it, IMO two things would've occurred -- one, he'd have been slapped lucid and he would've sped up hypothermia exponentially. I think the former would yank him awake and yank him out of the water at which point he may well have tried to get back to his vehicle, without a good directional sense to do it.

These abandoned wells, would they produce steam? Warmer air from below meeting near freezing air from above?

If Jason was literally freezing to death, would a steaming hole look like a safe haven, like an oasis in the desert, a warm place on a frigid night?

It would've been pitch black, he'd have no way to know the ground would give out. If all he saw was steam...

If Jason went into the water, even if he escaped the water, he was in serious trouble fast.

JMO

 

[Texas_Lexus]

If Jason abandoned the car closer to 11:30 (having arrived directly from the last known intersection), an hour would've elapsed before the vff came upon it.

We don't know why he removed all of his clothing, but if he did make his way to the water and entered it, IMO two things would've occurred -- one, he'd have been slapped lucid and he would've sped up hypothermia exponentially. I think the former would yank him awake and yank him out of the water at which point he may well have tried to get back to his vehicle, without a good directional sense to do it.

These abandoned wells, would they produce steam? Warmer air from below meeting near freezing air from above?

If Jason was literally freezing to death, would a steaming hole look like a safe haven, like an oasis in the desert, a warm place on a frigid night?

It would've been pitch black, he'd have no way to know the ground would give out. If all he saw was steam...

If Jason went into the water, even if he escaped the water, he was in serious trouble fast.

JMO

Very good points that I’ve never thought about. Never thought about those wells giving off steam.

For some reason I kept going back to the abandoned house and shed thinking he found a way in to seek shelter from the cold. My mom’s aunt lived in Cleveland, Texas out in the country and she’d always say nobody locks their house out in the country. I somehow kept thinking he found an unlocked door or open window.

 

[Texas_Lexus]

Very good points that I’ve never thought about. Never thought about those wells giving off steam.

For some reason I kept going back to the abandoned house and shed thinking he found a way in to seek shelter from the cold. My mom’s aunt lived in Cleveland, Texas out in the country and she’d always say nobody locks their house out in the country. I somehow kept thinking he found an unlocked door or open window.

I also just watched an interview with Jason’s dad from Houston’s channel 2 investigative reporter Joel Eisenbaum and his dad answered one question I had been wanting to know. The Snapchat that Jason received in luling was from his ex girlfriend who moved out of state. According to dad they had a good relationship. But when the Snapchat came in that’s when he quit using waze and never turned it back on.

 

[Seattle1]

Very good points that I’ve never thought about. Never thought about those wells giving off steam.

For some reason I kept going back to the abandoned house and shed thinking he found a way in to seek shelter from the cold. My mom’s aunt lived in Cleveland, Texas out in the country and she’d always say nobody locks their house out in the country. I somehow kept thinking he found an unlocked door or open window.

I recall the VFF told the Texas Trooper that he thought about checking the abandoned house and was encouraged not to do so. However, I did see video footage of CCSO inspecting the dwelling and found no evidence of entry to the home or outer buildings. The property also had a mounted light (not a motion light) which I think was one of very few along SFR. MOO