TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 4

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." I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty or the room to be dirty, you know? ..."



This is the wording the Dad used. I just find it really odd. I know people word thing strangely under stress but that is kind of the point. Freudian slips and all that.

How are the rooms 'dirty' because of a little boy?
 
Mom says among the people there that night were the grandparents and grandpa's gf. Mom says the gf was in another bedroom with a baby. Grandma was ok with this? :waitasec:
 
Mom says among the people there that night were the grandparents and grandpa's gf. Mom says the gf was in another bedroom with a baby. Grandma was ok with this? :waitasec:

I don't understand this question...The grandma and grandpa were there, but the grandpa's girlfriend was in a different room. If that's what you are saying, I don't know what would be off with that? Maybe grandma and grandpa aren't together anymore.
 
I don't understand this question...The grandma and grandpa were there, but the grandpa's girlfriend was in a different room. If that's what you are saying, I don't know what would be off with that? Maybe grandma and grandpa aren't together anymore.

Perhaps....I guess grandma is VERY tolerant. Wonder if all 3 showed up together? Does the baby with the gf belong to grandpa?
 
Mom says among the people there that night were the grandparents and grandpa's gf. Mom says the gf was in another bedroom with a baby. Grandma was ok with this? :waitasec:

LOL, I'm thinking they may not be together anymore. I think we automatically go to thinking that these are "old" grandparents in there 70's (at least I do when I hear the word grandparent). But, given that she is just 20, it is theoretically possible that her parents or the "grandparents" are not even 40 yet, very likely in their early 40's. Just a thought and something to keep in mind, KWIM?
 
LOL, I'm thinking they may not be together anymore. I think we automatically go to thinking that these are "old" grandparents in there 70's (at least I do when I hear the word grandparent). But, given that she is just 20, it is theoretically possible that her parents or the "grandparents" are not even 40 yet, very likely in their early 40's. Just a thought and something to keep in mind, KWIM?

Yeah I guess that's true, I'm 25 and my mom is a grandma at 46..
 
Have we gotten any confirmation on how many children are hers by birth?

No and I have looked.

." I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty or the room to be dirty, you know? ..."

This is the wording the Dad used. I just find it really odd. I know people word thing strangely under stress but that is kind of the point. Freudian slips and all that.

How are the rooms 'dirty' because of a little boy?

This couple (family) has an odd shorthand or something they use - for him to be saying "dirty" may just mean "messy" and I can't fault him for this. They have been saying things oddly or slightly "off" since day one (now day 10!) until they are called POI or suspects by LE, I think we need to be careful about picking everything that comes out of their mouths apart. :twocents:
 
." I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty or the room to be dirty, you know? ..."



This is the wording the Dad used. I just find it really odd. I know people word thing strangely under stress but that is kind of the point. Freudian slips and all that.

How are the rooms 'dirty' because of a little boy?

My entire house is dirty because of two little boys...and a little girl. Believe me, when you are used to having a kid there making things a mess, and then all of a sudden, the messes stop because the kid isn't there, it's just one more little way that it breaks your heart. It doesn't feel normal to clean a room and have it stay clean, or to organize the toys and the next day have them still be organized. All those little things that you take for granted, as a fact of life...and then they don't happen anymore, and it sinks in that the reason the house is clean is because the little messmaker isn't there...
It's something I could see myself feeling, if not saying, if one of my kids went missing.
 
Yeah, I would like to hear this statement by dad, or at least read it. I wonder if he were complaining about the messy child, or if he was sad that Joshua wasn't around to even make any messes.

I guess I'd like more info before I make a judgment call about dad.

My interpretation is he misses the "dirty messes" little Joshua would make. I didn't see anything extremely unusual about his statement. MOO
 
ok...guess I'm just old and old-fashioned.
 
No and I have looked.



This couple (family) has an odd shorthand or something they use - for him to be saying "dirty" may just mean "messy" and I can't fault him for this. They have been saying things oddly or slightly "off" since day one (now day 10!) until they are called POI or suspects by LE, I think we need to be careful about picking everything that comes out of their mouths apart. :twocents:

I think I'll stop dissecting the words and such now, but I think I was doing it because of the lack of real details. In my mind I'm sort of filling in the blanks with my own ideas...
 
Perhaps....I guess grandma is VERY tolerant. Wonder if all 3 showed up together? Does the baby with the gf belong to grandpa?

LOL, IIRC Gpa's GF was in his room with a baby (who Josh was interested in). It is Gpa's home.

Haven't actually heard where Gma was, how tolerant she is or if these GParents were ever together - could be SB's mom and JD's dad. But if they read here I'll bet they'll chuckle.
 
"I hate seeing my kid's toys and him not playing with them. I used to tell him to pick them up and he would look at me and laugh and run off," said Davis. "I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty or the room to be dirty. I wish I had him here."
http://www.ksat.com/news/26775759/detail.html

From video:
JD: "I hate going in there. I hate seeing my kids toys and him not playing with them. I hate seeing 'em...I used to get on my son and tell him to pick those toys up boy, and he would look at me and laugh and run off. I wish I even had him here, I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty, or the room to be dirty, you know. I wish I had him here."
For context.
http://www.ksat.com/news/26770044/detail.html#video
 
I think I'll stop dissecting the words and such now, but I think I was doing it because of the lack of real details. In my mind I'm sort of filling in the blanks with my own ideas...

That was not aimed at you, we have (almost) all done this since the 1st interview. We don't know how much has been snipped for time/space and seriously everything they have said, can be said to be "odd".

I just think we need to be careful not to start treating them like suspects when right now they are technically victims (until we know more) and I know we've been trying to find anything to sleuth for 10 days - it's hard when all we have to go on is a lot of odd statements. (We still don't even have a solid timeline!)

NMK can your transcripts be brought up to this thread?
 
I don't know how to bring a post up, but if someone wants to and knows how, feel free.
 
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Original Post:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6117532&postcount=5


Transcribed and posted by not_my_kids:

Joshua Davis is shortened to JD.
Sabrina Benitez is shortened to SB.
Direct quotes only, as far as I can tell, from the parents and any family friends that have been quoted.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Parents-an...115374179.html
JD: "I don't know, I'm just looking for any little lead, find my son. I miss him."
JD: "I don't undersatnd how he could wander off, so that's how I know for a fact someone took him. There's no way that my son would have wandered off like that. He didn't do that. There's no possible way. I know if y'all had kids out there, and this happened to you guys, y'all would want someone to come forward too. So why don't y'all do the same and help me out?

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/18-mont...-new-braunfels
SB: "I believe he's still out there, I believe he's, he might might be sick right about, but I believe he's still out there. He's still there for us."
SB: "I went to sleep last night for the first time in two days. For a couple hours and all I could see, all I could hear was my baby crying and all I could picture was him playing in the room with me."
SB: "I cant even explain the feeling, I just hope whoever did it wasn't just playing a game, because that's nothing to play about. I hope everything, I hope it was true, at least a helpful lead for the cops." [This is in reference to the rumor that Joshua had been found.]
SB: " I just want my baby back in my arms, I just want to know he's still living."

http://herald-zeitung.com/news/commu...cc4c03286.html
“There was one of (Joshua’s) toy balls found at the end of the block. It was on top of some mailboxes. There’s no way he got it up there by himself.” - Lee Jackson - family friend [Seems that the ball may never have been a direct quote, and has since been debunked.]
“Someone took him,he needs medical attention immediately. He has asthma and other medical conditions.” - Michelle Griffin - family friend.
JD: “I last saw my son around 8 last night. He was pulling on my beanie trying to take it off. He was behind my chair. When I told him to stop, he looked at me and smiled. That was the last time I saw him.”
SB: “They have no leads. I last saw him around 7:40 p.m. in my room watching ‘Toy Story.’ When I realized he hadn’t come back to watch with me, I realized he was missing.”
SB: "Please bring my baby home. Please let him be ok."

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story...EwjoBzTjg.cspx
SB: "May I give you one of these ma'am? My baby, he came up missing. Any little tip..." [During the flyer handout at the store, to another customer.]
SB: "I have faith. I'm going to keep faith in my heart and keep on pushing until I find my baby. I believe in my heart he's still out there, he's safe somewhere."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...els-998497.php
JD: "...to run around the house, from the living room to the other rooms, back and forth.” [Describing his son.]
JD: "...he does not wander off like that. He usually stays inside the yard and plays with his toys. We searched everywhere around the house, the cabinets, under the couches, even the high spots we knew he couldn't climb to.”

http://www.kens5.com/news/Missing-to...115405634.html
SB: "He's very outgoing, he likes to play. He's smart."
JD: "I don't understand how he could wander off." [This may just be a sound bite from the first time he said that at the school gym.]
SB: "My days been long, I haven't slept, I been up looking for my baby. I'm worried about where he's at. I just want him home safe.
SB: "He was wearing dark blue jeans, a blue striped shirt." [the night he went missing.]
JD: "I just want my son, I could care less who did it. In fact if I find out, if they do find out, I don't even want to know who did it. I just want my son back. That's all I want."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7415918.html
SB: "I just want my baby back. Where is my baby?"

http://www.kens5.com/home/False-hope...115457694.html
SB: "I went to sleep and all I could hear was my baby crying, calling Mommy, calling for Mommy. "
SB: "I just want to know he's okay, that he's still alive, anything."
SB: "They had my hopes up, come to find out this was all a joke. I think whoever started that rumor, it was wrong of you." [ in regards to the rumors that he had been found.]
SB: "He's still out there. Don't give up looking for him. Anything, if y'all have any type of clue, if y'all don't want us to show your face, drop him off somewhere. Anything, just so he can be back at home with us."

http://www.ksat.com/news/26777491/detail.html
JD: "Maybe there's someone that's seen the fliers before, but maybe if I'm putting a flier in their hand, seeing me, seeing that I'm the dad, maybe someone might give in."
JD: "Just keeping God on my side, like I always do, and hoping he'll send me some signs of you know, send us a clue, send someone our way that may have clues. "

http://www.ksat.com/news/26777831/detail.html#video
"They're saying there's not enough information to go on but, why not? A baby's missing. And we need to find him." - Jerome Davis [Joshua's grandfather, in regards to the lack of AA.]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...er-1001661.php
JD: “We're just waiting for news.”
JD: “...is trying to hold it together. We're doing the best we can.” [in regards to SB.]

http://www.kens5.com/news/Cadaver-do...115491449.html
JD: "Nah. Well I don't think he wandered off. He knows his play zone and...They had the scent dogs out here and they said there was no scent of him leaving out of the, you know, yard or anything like that, so I don't see how he could have wandered off, or else they said, they would have picked something up.'
SB: "My baby's out there somewhere. Somebody has him. Because I still have hope. He;s gonna come home."

http://www.ksat.com/video/26784350/index.html
SB: " I know he's still alive. I don't think, like they said recovery, I don't think this is a recovery, becuase I still believe, I mean, they had the cadaver dogs. He's nowhere in this area, I don't believe because there's no trace of him in the yard, but I do believe he's alive."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02...s.missing.boy/
Nancy Grace: "...Sabrina Benitez, joining us from Texas. Sabrina, thank you for being with us."
SB: "Hello?"
NG: "I'm here, I hear you, and I hear you crying. Tell me what happened when Joshua went missing, Ms. Benitez.
SB: "We were all in the house, there was 9 people in the house. I was sitting on the bed, watching Toy Story with my baby. He was wandering from our room to the living room, where other family members were. When I realized, after about 10 minutes, that it was unusual, that my baby hadn't been back in the room to come get a toy or come watch the movie. I jumped up and I ran to the grandfather's room where there was another baby that my baby was interested in. I asked if he was in there, and the grandfather's girlfriend told me that he hadn' been in there, I ran out to the living room and I asked everyone there if they had seen the baby. We started searching, when there was no signs of the baby, I ran out the house and everyone started looking and we called the police about 10 minutes when we realized we couldn't, we had no, nowhere where we hadn't found him."
NG: "What do you thinking happened, Sabrina, do you think he got out the door?"
SB: "At first, I kinda, honestly at first, there was a family friend in the house, and that was the last time the door had been opened. And, I at first thought, like, maybe the friend had took him. But the police say there's no signs of that. So, they said he had been in and out the back door, I thought maybe he could have slipped, like, walked out the back door, but I highly believe, I believe that wasn't the case either, because when I walked out on the back porch, there was ice all over th steps. It was too cold and my baby's real smart, I mean if it was that cold, he would have found a way to come knock on the door or he, there would have been signs of him out the back door because it was icy."
NG: "Now, everyone, with me is Sabrina, baby Joshua's mother, joining us by phone, Sabrina Benitez. I know you guys are doing everything possible to help find him. Tell me, did you say, did I hear you say, there were nine people in the home when he went missing?"
SB: "Yes, ma'am."
NG: "So, who was in the home?"
SB: "There was me, his father, his older brother, his godmother, his two grandparents, his fathers friend, and his grandpa's girlfriend.'
NG: "And nobody saw him get out the door, but here's the thing, a lot of people don't believe a baby that age could get out the door. They can, they absolutely can...Has your son ever done that before, have you seen him go out?"
SB: "No ma'am, he can't even, he can't reach the doorknob, like he reaches maybe to the bottom of it, but he can't reach tall enough to where he could turn the doorknob."
NG: "Well, if he can't reach the doorknob, then how did he get out?"
SB: "That's what I wanna to know."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/07...old-texas-boy/
JD: "I would never do nothing to my son."
JD: "I really don't care what they think. God knows what happened."

http://www.kvue.com/news/SEARCH-CONT...115595194.html
SB: "I believe, in my heart, I feel that he's still out there. I believe someone has him. Somebody has to have him. "
SB: "I know just to see us on TV would make him happy. I love you, and I can't wait till you're back home.
SB: "...that all we can do is stay strong. I'm not giving up until my baby comes back. Keep on pushing."

http://www.ksat.com/news/26795647/detail.html
"There is no scent of the baby walking away. Obviously somebody had to have taken him, because they have scent of him in the yard, but not of him wandering off. So somebody had to have picked him up, or something, you know, that's what I believe." - Olivia Fernandez, aunt.
"It's very tough, all we can do is, hope, pray." - Olivia Fernandez, aunt.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Stressful-...115776964.html
JD: "It’s been a stressful roller-coaster ride, just wondering how it could happen."
JD: "Today, we’re just going to get more fliers."
JD: "It helps out that someone may have seen him, that he’s still with us. I hope that one of the leads or phone calls will bring my son back home safe.” [In reference to possible sightings of Joshua.]
 
"I hate seeing my kid's toys and him not playing with them. I used to tell him to pick them up and he would look at me and laugh and run off," said Davis. "I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty or the room to be dirty. I wish I had him here."
http://www.ksat.com/news/26775759/detail.html

From video:
JD: "I hate going in there. I hate seeing my kids toys and him not playing with them. I hate seeing 'em...I used to get on my son and tell him to pick those toys up boy, and he would look at me and laugh and run off. I wish I even had him here, I wish I had him here for the toys to be dirty, or the room to be dirty, you know. I wish I had him here."
For context.
http://www.ksat.com/news/26770044/detail.html#video
Yes, exactly.........he misses his son, and everything that would go along with him being there. :(
 
Originally posted and transcribed by not_my_kids


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6117742&postcount=12


Reporter: "Mr. Davis, thank you for being with us. And what is the latest on the search efforts today?"
JD: "Um, right now, the only thing I really know is that FBI is involved and they doing the best they can to try to, you know find my son. I'm doing the best that I can, putting out fliers. I'm going through 2200 fliers so far, we have another 2000 on the way. So there's gotta be somebody that seen my son or knows a clue or something, any information, you know, to find my son."
Reporter: "Well, Mr. Davis, I understand that helicopters were up today, helping with the search and that investigators then removed several things from your back yard and the back yards around. Do you have any idea what they took?"
JD: "No, as far as that, I don't know about what's going on with that, um, whenever I got home, I went in the, I was, I went to the, um, I got in and I went to the restroom, and I just seen a truck in my back yard, and I don't know, as far as to what happened with that."
Reporter: "So you don't know what they took from your backyard there? And did you..."
JD: "Um, no."
Reporter: "And Mr. Davis, did you take a lie detector test?"
JD: "Yes, they actually put me through three lie detector tests."
Reporter: "Really? Now, I know that's standard procedure and your wife and everyone else in the home, there were seven adults, did they all have to take the polygraphs as well?"
JD: "Yes, my um, well my girlfriend, she actually did, they told her, she wanted to take one, but they wouldn't let her take one because she's pregnant. So, she asked if whenever she's pregnant, whether my son's back or not, if she still is willing to take one. She wants them to still give her one. So, she's still wants to take one regardless."
Reporter: "Well gosh, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I understand there is a prayer service tonight, is that right?"
JD: "Yeah, um, me and my girlfriend, we got together a prayer service, um, at 6:30 tonight, here at my house, and uh, we're just trying to get everyone to come out and support us right now. And really for my girlfriend, you know, she's pregnant and I'm trying to stay strong for her and my six year old son, so...just kinda hard, you know, I'm thinking about my son constantly, thoughts are running through my mind, thinking about my son. I miss waking up, he used to give me a kiss every morning when he woke up, me and my girlfriend, so it's just hard missing that."
Reporter: "Well, good luck to you, I know that so many people are out there searching and praying for you. Good luck to you, Mr. Davis. I hope we have good news to report soon."

http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Miss...115595439.html
 
A big problem in these cases with little or no information coming out is that we have little else besides the various statements of the adults...and in this case, of only two of the adults, when there were several there. It is odd to me that a reporter hasn't managed to get an interview or two with some of the others who were there that night.
 
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