TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 4

[sarx]

NEW BRAUNFELS - Eleven days after his disappearance from his New Braunfels home, a wider circle has been drawn for missing toddler Joshua Davis.

According to data culled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children - data based on other successful rescue efforts for missing children - a radius of almost two miles is required for young children that wander off. The initial one-mile radius wasn't broad enough, said Lt. Michael Penshorn of the New Braunfels Police Department.

Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Ugh...

 

[katydid23]

NEW BRAUNFELS - Eleven days after his disappearance from his New Braunfels home, a wider circle has been drawn for missing toddler Joshua Davis.

According to data culled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children - data based on other successful rescue efforts for missing children - a radius of almost two miles is required for young children that wander off. The initial one-mile radius wasn't broad enough, said Lt. Michael Penshorn of the New Braunfels Police Department.

Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Ugh...

It does sound familiar.I remember you saying the exact same thing awhile ago.

 

[ThoughtFox]

NEW BRAUNFELS - Eleven days after his disappearance from his New Braunfels home, a wider circle has been drawn for missing toddler Joshua Davis.

According to data culled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children - data based on other successful rescue efforts for missing children - a radius of almost two miles is required for young children that wander off. The initial one-mile radius wasn't broad enough, said Lt. Michael Penshorn of the New Braunfels Police Department.

Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Ugh...

It's really discouraging that they didn't think of this before, considering those other children who were lost in desert areas and wandered so far away.

 

[HiHater]

It's really discouraging that they didn't think of this before, considering those other children who were lost in desert areas and wandered so far away.

Wait, so they think he could have walked two miles---or is a predator likely to leave him within 2 miles? I hate to be so graphic, but I'm wondering.

Oh, and the other son, the 6 year old is in fact D, not a junior. Sorry for the confusion!

 

[not_my_kids]

Good job, LE, you see where your mistake is...ELEVEN DAYS TOO LATE.

And No, I don't like bashing LE, but even they themselves in this case are now admitting that they fudged up and the initial search area was not large enough. And how long have the volunteers from Team ADAM been there? Since Day three or day four? How hard did they have to fight to get this admission and expansion from local LE?
I have a feeling it will only be a few days now, and they will recover his body.

ETA: :banghead::maddening::banghead::maddening::doh:

 

[MsFacetious]

I could be hallucinating from lack of pain medication...

But I could have SWORN that we have been saying "1 mile isn't far enough, they need to look farther"..."look at how far Emmett went...." for about 10 days now. :banghead:

Do these officers not read the news? Do they not google? This thread hasn't moved that fast, do they not even read HERE? :banghead:

These cases generally have someone assigned specifically to social media type things. I think that especially on a case like this where there is only 4 threads in 11 days, they should be reading. Had they been, they would have thought "hmmmm maybe we should look further out" on day 2. :banghead:

Not to mention, I thought they already SAID a few days ago they had expanded to 2 miles from 1 mile?

They did say it. On February 10th.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Stressful-roller-coaster-ride-Boys-family-remains-hopeful-115776964.html

February 10 -

The search area for a missing New Braunfels toddler has been expanded to include a two-mile radius around his home.


Other articles said that the "original search area" was two square miles to start with.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...oodhounds-hunting-for-missing-boy-1009721.php

Maybe the "two mile radius" and the "two square miles" are two very different things and the officers and reporters miraculously know the difference.

Somehow I'm not real optimistic on that. :banghead:

NEW BRAUNFELS - Eleven days after his disappearance from his New Braunfels home, a wider circle has been drawn for missing toddler Joshua Davis.

According to data culled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children - data based on other successful rescue efforts for missing children - a radius of almost two miles is required for young children that wander off. The initial one-mile radius wasn't broad enough, said Lt. Michael Penshorn of the New Braunfels Police Department.

Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Ugh...

 

[Trident]

Wait, so they think he could have walked two miles---or is a predator likely to leave him within 2 miles? I hate to be so graphic, but I'm wondering.

Oh, and the other son, the 6 year old is in fact D, not a junior. Sorry for the confusion!

I'm going to venture a guess that Joshua could have wandered 2 miles or a bit more. I also thought about a predator. Coyotes could have taken him, carried him in their mouths, that far or further, but I believe he probably wanderd. Then - who knows. There have been children taken by cougars without a trace, clothing found years later. But I think he just wandered away.

Could be wrong, but wandering away is maybe better than being used and killed by a sexual predator.

My opinion only

 

[Trident]

I believe LE's two square miles is a bit different than searching in a circular radius of 2 miles. Could be wrong.

Edited to add: I believe they need to have a standard of a 2 1/2 mile radius for all missing children. They have only the parent's guestimates of how long the child was missing. When parents are in a panic I don't believe times are totally accurate to the minute.

My opinion only

 

[TxLady2]

I didn't know how to bring a post over from the previous thread, so I will try to quote it. Another sleuther posted that Joshua's father said that he missed his child playing with his dirty toys and making dirty messes around the house. That really sounded like an inappropriate statement, considering the situation. It doesn't seem like he should even be thinking about the negatives of having a child. Shouldn't he just be pleading to get the little guy back home? Or maybe these are just the comments of an immature guy?

I mean, I don't have kids, I only have cats, but when either of them is sick, having an operation, or whatever, I'm so stressed out I don't even think about the messy, inconvenient times. All I want is for them to be well, get through the operation safely, get home alright, whatever.

Good point, but I slightly disagree. I don't find the statement odd, because babies do make a mess with things, and a loving parent would miss cleaning up those messes, IMO. I've known people who have lost children to illness or a horrible accident and recall some of them saying how much they miss them, even with all the trouble they got into.
I would find it odd if the parents tried to make it sound like a child was perfect, never any trouble, just an absolute angel, but that's just MY opinion.

 

[TxLady2]

http://www.kens5.com/news/Family-st...r-toddler-missing-for-one-week-116032244.html
JD: "Someone had seen my son in Sadine (sp) Texas, maybe? At like a laundromat or something like that. And another caller had called in about seeing him, so hopefully, you know, that leads to something."

I am willing to bet this statement has been looked at somewhere in the past four threads, but where is Sadine (sp) TX? Is there one? (I suck at geography, and I'm not even sure that I got the name of the town right. It's kinda like playing telephone.)

There is a Sabine, Tx, I think.

 

[bessie]

There is a Sabine, Tx, I think.

The Sabine River/Lake/Pass separates Texas and Louisiana. Sabine, Tx is in the far southeast corner near the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[SurfieTX]

It's most likely Seguin, Texas. It's in the general vicinity.

ETA: My college days' "stompin grounds" were San Marcos, New Braunfels and Seguin.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Here is a google map of all the towns mentioned:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...0.116622,-96.844482&spn=5.339537,9.876709&z=7

 

[Dee10]

I am glad they are still searching and they are working outward, which makes sense especially given the J's age, the cold, darkness and socks on his feet. ETA - But, I think they work outwards normally anyway, don't they?

 

[Tuffy]

I'm going to venture a guess that Joshua could have wandered 2 miles or a bit more. I also thought about a predator. Coyotes could have taken him, carried him in their mouths, that far or further, but I believe he probably wanderd. Then - who knows. There have been children taken by cougars without a trace, clothing found years later. But I think he just wandered away.

Could be wrong, but wandering away is maybe better than being used and killed by a sexual predator.

My opinion only

Do you know if there was any traces found in that case in Australia where the dingo took the baby? I don't think there was. For a long time the mother was blamed, and just recently the Australian courts officially cleared her.

 

[Tuffy]

Good point, but I slightly disagree. I don't find the statement odd, because babies do make a mess with things, and a loving parent would miss cleaning up those messes, IMO. I've known people who have lost children to illness or a horrible accident and recall some of them saying how much they miss them, even with all the trouble they got into.
I would find it odd if the parents tried to make it sound like a child was perfect, never any trouble, just an absolute angel, but that's just MY opinion.

BBM

Like the Anthonys? :innocent:

Anyway, I completely agree with you. The statement about Joshua being messy doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Tuffy]

I believe LE's two square miles is a bit different than searching in a circular radius of 2 miles. Could be wrong.

Edited to add: I believe they need to have a standard of a 2 1/2 mile radius for all missing children. They have only the parent's guestimates of how long the child was missing. When parents are in a panic I don't believe times are totally accurate to the minute.

My opinion only

Also, parents that feel guilty for losing track of their kids may fudge on the time too. Example: "I only turned my back for a second." "I answered the phone, and was only gone for a minute."

 

[Trident]

Do you know if there was any traces found in that case in Australia where the dingo took the baby? I don't think there was. For a long time the mother was blamed, and just recently the Australian courts officially cleared her.

Yes, there were bits of cloth or clothing found around a dingo den/area. I don't remember who found it, but it was years later, just small bits.

However, I bought a book about this case, "Through My Eyes", by the mother, Lindy Chamberlain, I had always believed the baby was taken by dingos, still do, but after page 7 of that book I threw it across the room. The first 7 pages said, to me, "these people are too weird".

My opinion only

 

[Tuffy]

Yes, there were bits of cloth or clothing found around a dingo den/area. I don't remember who found it, but it was years later, just small bits.

However, I bought a book about this case, "Through My Eyes", by the mother, Lindy Chamberlain, I had always believed the baby was taken by dingos, still do, but after page 7 of that book I threw it across the room. The first 7 pages said, to me, "these people are too weird".

My opinion only

I remembered that there was clothing found near/in the dingo's den, but that wasn't until later on, right? I was thinking though that from the campsite, there was no trace of the baby being taken? That's why I was thinking that Joshua may have been snatched without a trace too.

 

[LCoastMom]

Do you know if there was any traces found in that case in Australia where the dingo took the baby? I don't think there was. For a long time the mother was blamed, and just recently the Australian courts officially cleared her.

The clothing was found a week after Baby Azaria went missing, 2.5 miles from where they had been camping.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/not_guilty/chamberlain1/5.html

IIRC it was remains that were found much later (along with a piece of clothing or blanket).